The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 31

Coldrsx · #**601** Posted **Apr 6, 2011, 5:54 PM**

^yup.... although a large portal that is completed under the new EPCOR tower was an initial part of this.

caltrane74 · #**602** Posted **Apr 6, 2011, 5:57 PM**

Yeah, the underground track section that we saw when the Epcor Tower was under construction. Very cool, as I remember seeing.

LeftCoaster · #**603** Posted **Apr 6, 2011, 6:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

The Eglinton Line as it stands now is 8 billion dollars for 20 km of track.

Wow, I didn't realize it was going to cost that much, Canada line is 20km of grade sperated (mainly subway) track and cost 1/4 that much.

Sure the Canada Line trains/stations are much shorter but how the discrepancy can be that high I just don't know. Seems extra odd considering average construction costs are slightly higher in Vancouver than Toronto, at least they were a few years ago when I worked in the business.

Must be a product of more of the Eglinton tunnel being bored rather than cut and cover and the more frequent station spacing found on TTC lines. Anyone have any insight on construction style for the E line? Predominantly bored I assume?

caltrane74 · #**604** Posted **Apr 6, 2011, 6:58 PM**

The whole thing will be bored. (Tunnel Machine in one end at Black creek out the other at Kennedy Road - vice versa)

There might be some opportunity for cut and cover in Scarborough, but I doubt it will happen.

Likely bridge or elevated crossing the Don Rivers East and West as well.

Also, while the stations on the Eglinton Line will be longer to accomodate future subway, I don't believe the trains on the Eglinton Line are that much longer than those on the Canada Line) - although they will be expandable to 3 sets, I imagine. (almost a full length subway)

niwell · #**605** Posted **Apr 6, 2011, 7:00 PM**

The originial tunnelled section for which the EIA has been completed would be entirely bored. Quite a bit of elevation difference throughout too. That section of Eglinton is just too congested to really do anything else with.

As far as I know nothing public has been announced regarding the Eastern section. It was more just diverting all funds for the rest of Transit City into Eglinton. So who knows really. It could easily accommodate cut and cover and would probably be suited for elevated rail too.

Also, the Eglinton line would require at least 2 major bridge structures and will have 3 major interchange stations. Plus the proposed yard on the former Kodak lands near Eglinton and Keele would be included in the cost.

caltrane74 · #**606** Posted **Apr 6, 2011, 7:29 PM**

I'm assuming the Black Creek to Laird Section can go ahead as is. Because this section was already planned for, and they can work out the details for the Laird to Kennedy Section in a couple of years, before they even need to put a shovel in the ground.

caltrane74 · #**607** Posted **Apr 7, 2011, 10:27 AM**

Portugal just went bankrupt. Further comparisons between the Madrid Subway System and the Toronto system are hereby banned until the Portuguese pay back their 120 billion dollar emergency loan. By the way: I wish them all the luck, paying that back, and also wish for them to keep their own bratty kids in their own country and not send them over here.

Having a great subway means shit if you have zero economy to pay for it and need to send your kids to Canada for a future as they have none in their homeland.

le calmar · #**608** Posted **Apr 7, 2011, 11:31 AM**

^ Madrid is in Portugal?

caltrane74 · #**609** Posted **Apr 7, 2011, 12:57 PM**

Oh man, I thought Madrid was in Portugal. -

Same thing applies though, Spain is as broke as Portugal.

They'll be the next ones lining up for a handout from Germany, soon enough.

I'm waiting.

logan5 · #**610** Posted **Apr 7, 2011, 2:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

The Eglinton Line as it stands now is 8 billion dollars for 20 km of track.

I thought it was 25km? That still puts it at 325 million/km, which is 100 million/km more than the UBC line, which would be bored tunnel.

caltrane74 · #**611** Posted **Apr 7, 2011, 2:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by logan5

I thought it was 25km? That still puts it at 325 million/km, which is 100 million/km more than the UBC line, which would be bored tunnel.

If they come in under budget, they will give that additional money to the Sheppard Subway.

Could be up to 600 to 700 million dollars. Which is enough to get the Sheppard line about halfway to Victoria Park all on it's own.

davidivivid · #**612** Posted **Apr 7, 2011, 3:17 PM**

This article doesn't concern Canada specifically but it describes the economic benefits of developping a rapid transit system. As a resident of Quebec City, I thought this study was very interesting since the city is actively looking to implement a new streetcar system.

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Wow! Study says DC Streetcar could add $10-15 billion in value

New Urban Network
The Charter-Award-winning DC Streetcar Land-Use Study, which looks at the economic and development impacts of the city's coming streetcar system, is New Urban Network's April Plan of the Month.

The Washington, DC, streetcar certainly looks like a good deal. The 37-mile system, the first corridor of which is under construction and expected to be completed by 2012, will increase the value of existing properties by $5-7 billion, according to the study by Goody Clancy & Associates of Boston.

Add to that an estimated $5-8 billion of new development over 10 years attracted by the streetcar, and the total increased property value is $10-15 billion. Half of the tax increment from that total could support $600-$900 million in bonds to help support property development and streetcar capital costs, the study says. The streetcar system is expected to cost $1.5 billion.

[...]

http://newurbannetwork.com/article/wow-study-says-dc-streetcar-could-add-10-15-billion-value-14461

Here's the video of the planned Quebec City's tramway system.

• Video Link

caltrane74 · #**613** Posted **Apr 7, 2011, 3:34 PM**

Good thing Washington DC didn't elect Rob Ford Mayor!

LeftCoaster · #**614** Posted **Apr 7, 2011, 5:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Portugal just went bankrupt. Further comparisons between the Madrid Subway System and the Toronto system are hereby banned until the Portuguese pay back their 120 billion dollar emergency loan. By the way: I wish them all the luck, paying that back, and also wish for them to keep their own bratty kids in their own country and not send them over here.

wow.... just wow....

This post explains so much

Aside from the shocking geographic inaccuracies it is also important to note that Portugal has not and will not declare bankruptcy.

caltrane74 · #**615** Posted **Apr 7, 2011, 5:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

wow.... just wow....

This post explains so much

Aside from the shocking geographic inaccuracies it is also important to note that Portugal has not and will not declare bankruptcy.

They might not be bankrupt, but for allhell they need German Cash like god almighty.

Big time losers.

Spain is the next country lining up for a bailout. - I guarantee, before summer, they'll be begging the Germans for cash and loan securities.

Instead of building subways these fools should have been investing for their kids futures, and getting them jobs. duh!

All these kids end up coming to Canada including "No new Subways Toronto" looking for work. lol!

Dummies.

habfanman · #**616** Posted **Apr 8, 2011, 5:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

They might not be bankrupt, but for allhell they need German Cash like god almighty.

Big time losers.

Spain is the next country lining up for a bailout. - I guarantee, before summer, they'll be begging the Germans for cash and loan securities.

Instead of building subways these fools should have been investing for their kids futures, and getting them jobs. duh!

All these kids end up coming to Canada including "No new Subways Toronto" looking for work. lol!

Dummies.

lol! All those kids... lining up for cab driving jobs in Canada!

Nobody comes to Canada anymore but people from the 3rd world. Have you talked to your newly-arrived Danish/Australian/German/Swiss/Norwegian neighbour lately? No, didn't think so.

When I think about sending people from the largest city in Germany (Berlin) to the largest city in Canada (Toronto) I wonder.. What exactly are Berliners supposed to do in pucker-ass Toronto? Check out all 4 museums? Indulge in the killer nightlife (llolololololololo!!!) Enjoy the alcohol-free festivals??? Search for Beer Stores before they close? Use the awesome public transit system?? (hehe!) Eat unique Ontario cuisine (numerous lol's) Revel in the preservation of historic architecture (oh geez lol!!) Shop at the unique , non American chain stores? Drink fine coffee at one of the 9,000 Tim Hortons??Count the wooden telegraph poles that Germans haven't seen since WW II? Deal with subway tokens-memories of 1970's East Berlin??

At least Montréal has something to offer that they haven't seen before.. I can safely send them there.. Toronto? = Major Embarrassment..

But the 3rd world people dig it. They arrive in droves. They must love touring condo construction sites.. the most exciting thing that Toronto has to offer

SpikePhanta · #**617** Posted **Apr 8, 2011, 5:43 AM**

^^ Hate to be a Debbie Downer, but just last week I met a group of Danish/Australian/German people living in canada the past year, the German and Danish for Studying English, and the Australian for the culture and the mountains.

But i'm not sure if youre talking solely on Toronto or canada as a whole.

Not to mention Germans(albeit oldones) LOVE canada!

The selling point of Canadian culture is that there is none, but rather Canada is a melting pot of various different cultures, and people want to experience it all in one nice bundle.

isaidso · #**618** Posted **Apr 8, 2011, 6:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpikePhanta

The selling point of Canadian culture is that there is none, but rather Canada is a melting pot of various different cultures, and people want to experience it all in one nice bundle.

Canada's culture is in a permanent state of flux, but saying that Canada doesn't have a culture is simply not true. If Canada doesn't have a culture, neither does the United States.

You realize that the shared US-Canada culture is one that both nations contributed to, or did you just assume all that was of US origin? I realize you were trying to give Canada a compliment, but you just passed off our entire domestic culture as being of no value or non-existent. That's the biggest insult you could have made. Just in the area of sports, Canada has made a huge contribution. You might want to check the footnotes under each of my posts.

agrant · #**619** Posted **Apr 8, 2011, 6:24 AM**

I hate it when people say there is no culture. It's like saying we have no accent. F-ing silly! Our culture is hamburgers and hodogs of course.

habfanman · #**620** Posted **Apr 8, 2011, 6:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

Canada's culture is in a permanent state of flux, but saying that Canada doesn't have a culture is simply not true. If Canada doesn't have a culture, neither does the United States.

You realize that the shared US-Canada culture is one that both nations contributed to, or did you just assume all that was of US origin?

Yeah, whatever. We'll give it a 99/1 US/Canada. I'm from Berlin, Paris, Amsterdam, Rome etc. What exactly is going to impress me in Toronto? The ethnic neighbourhoods lol??