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Old Posted Mar 31, 2011, 4:30 AM
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I was talking about this with a buddy of mine the other day (in the Alley Deli...).

I don't want anymore national brands here.... I want local brands to go national. You don't get rich working for somebody else (IPOs excepted), you don't grow your town by having another franchise show up in a box.

Slowly becoming a curmudgeon.
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2011, 12:12 PM
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I was talking about this with a buddy of mine the other day (in the Alley Deli...).

I don't want anymore national brands here.... I want local brands to go national. You don't get rich working for somebody else (IPOs excepted), you don't grow your town by having another franchise show up in a box.

Slowly becoming a curmudgeon.
I completely agree. I am done supporting corporations, or 'chains', that do not care about the quality of their product or to who they are providing it. I've made a commitment to myself to begin patronizing Montgomery's unique small businesses as much as possible. Despite the leaps and bounds this city has made in the last decade there is still very little character. I completely believe that this is directly associated with all the large franchises we have here. Montgomery can't be unique because we have mostly the same things our neighboring cities have.

I'd also like to add Nashville into the mix of cities Montgomery should try to emulate. I spent a fair amount of time on Broadway in downtown Nashville over the weekend and it was great. If any of you are familiar with the area I am talking about, could you imagine lower Dexter Ave in much the same way? How great would that be?
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I'd also like to add Nashville into the mix of cities Montgomery should try to emulate. I spent a fair amount of time on Broadway in downtown Nashville over the weekend and it was great. If any of you are familiar with the area I am talking about, could you imagine lower Dexter Ave in much the same way? How great would that be?
I've been to Nashville a few times. I enjoy Broadway. Despite all the undeveloped and underdeveloped areas of town that we can look to other cities to model after, Birmingham is lacking quite a bit too. There is nothing that I've seen that even compares to Nashville's Broadway or Printer's Ally in the Ham. It's somewhat comparable in population give or take but its not but it just doesn't have the over vibrancy of other cities. So saying we are not alone. Yes we have come along way since the Folmer years.

Also check out Jackson, MS. They actually have lots of private investors spending multi millions building condos and mix use properties downtown. They already have a pretty sizable downtown resident population who has formed a neighborhood association in the past few years.

So for it just seems like Bonner and the city doing all the work, when will the high roller investors really make a change downtown?
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A cigar enthusiast over at urbanplanet.org is interested in opening a downtown cigar bar. Just an idea so far but hopefully will come to be.

http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php/topic/52388-cigar-bar-for-downtown-montgomery/
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Plan to help Garrett Coliseum could emerge within weeks, leaders say


The state is looking at rescinding $800,000 in funding to remodel Garrett Coliseum in Montgomery. Officials are trying to come up with a plan to save the antiquated facility. / Mickey Welsh/Advertiser file

Lawmakers and the administration of Gov. Robert Bentley are looking toward cutting funding for renovations at Garrett Coliseum, but Mayor Todd Strange and other local officials said there is an opportunity for a public-private partnership to update the antiquated facility.

A committee in the Alabama Senate voted 9-1 on Wednesday to rescind a 2010 bill that would provide $800,000 a year in state funding that would be combined with private investment and local funding to revamp the coliseum. Both sides said Wednesday that the original effort at public-private partnership failed, but that there is a renewed effort.

"There is a group making a last-ditch attempt to do something about Garrett Coliseum," said State Sen. Dick Brewbaker, R-Pike Road.

Brewbaker said they should know within a week or two if that effort is viable.
He was the one member of the committee to vote against the bill, but said his colleagues assured him they would allow time to determine whether the current effort will work.

The administration wants to free up the $800,000 line item to use elsewhere in the General Fund budget.

With the dire budget situation in the state, Sen. Arthur Orr, the sponsor of the bill and chairman of the Senate General Fund budget committee, said "we're trying to find any pockets of revenue that we could use to mitigate the severity of the cuts."

Senate Minority Leader Roger Bedford, D-Russellville, who was chairman of the Senate General Fund budget committee when they passed the bill, said he supported it then, but then the public-private partnership did not work out.

He said he supports "redoing Garrett Coliseum" and believes it is a "real Alabama treasure."

*Brewbaker would not divulge who was behind the effort to revitalize the public-private partnership, but pushed his colleagues for more time. If the effort is unsuccessful, he said he would not oppose the efforts to pull the funding.

Bedford, said he did not know there was another effort.

Brewbaker and Rep. Joe Hubbard, D-Montgomery, said the area and the economy benefit if the coliseum remains open.

"It is an economic engine. It can be a great economic engine in the future," Hubbard said.

He said there is a several million-dollar economic impact on the city from the coliseum.

"That is something we can't afford to lose as a community," Hubbard said.
Brewbaker said that if they defund it, the coliseum will "sit out there and rot," becoming a public safety issue, so he wants to ensure they "turn over all the rocks."

Strange said Wednesday that he had told state officials earlier this year that the city, county and state should come up with a plan for Garrett Coliseum.
He said he had been asked if the city wanted to take over the facility.

"My answer was no, that's not something that we'd be interested in," he said.
But, in conjunction with other entities, it's a possibility, the mayor said.
"In partnership, it would be worth discussing," he said.

He said the facility that houses several large annual events, including a multi-day rodeo earlier this month, is "worth saving."

At a legislative update Wednesday morning, Hubbard and fellow state Rep. Jay Love, R-Montgomery, told Strange and other city and county officials that the Legislature was working on a plan for the coliseum.

"We are in the process of working out something that could save that facility for our use in the city and county," Hubbard said.

Hubbard said he talked with Strange, County Commission Chairman Elton Dean and Commissioner John McMillan of the Alabama Department of Agriculture and Industries.

McMillan did not respond to a request for comment before press time.
Hubbard said he is working to have legislation drafted that would create a coliseum authority that would allow the state, city and county to work with the business community "to renovate the coliseum and ultimately sell it to a private developer."

He was hopeful they could create a quasi-governmental entity.
Hubbard said if there had been a serious effort to form a public-private partnership, "they would have looked at this authority option."
"I say give us some time to try this. That is what I am trying to do at no cost to the state," Hubbard said.

The coliseum is home to the Alabama National Fair, the circus, monster truck shows, rodeos and similar events.

"Whether there is a private organization that can make a profit off of these things, I don't know the answer to that," Hubbard said.

Hubbard also said the coliseum is an "architectural marvel."

"It really has some intrinsic value," he said.

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A cigar enthusiast over at urbanplanet.org is interested in opening a downtown cigar bar. Just an idea so far but hopefully will come to be.

I saw that also. I'm not a smoker but I think it would be cool. I love Wine and Smoke shop/parlors. I had a boss who smoked cigars and I attended one with him years ago in San Antonio, TX. I actually smoked my first and only cigar there.

If they open maybe I will smoke my second.
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Montgomery may sell properties at discount

Apr. 1, 2011
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The city is in the process of selling two more properties in downtown Montgomery, one of which could be sold for less than half the price the city spent to acquire it.

Gary Blackman, a local builder, and Kapstone Investment Group LLC, which is based in Montgomery, signed purchase and sale agreements with the city this week, but the Montgomery City Council must still approve agreements.

The city paid $225,000 for the 11 Dexter Ave. property when it was purchased last year, and if the current proposal is approved, it will be sold to Blackman for $92,000. Blackman intends to turn a portion of the building into his residence.

Kapstone has offered to pay $25,000 for the vacant property at the corner of Washington Avenue and Perry Street. Kapstone was the highest bidder on the property, which was "left over" property from the Washington Avenue parking deck project, according to Deputy Mayor Jeff Downes.

"These properties sat, in some cases, vacant and unutilized, and the economic value to the city will be made up in very short order when you start bringing some greater life to this," Downes said Thursday. "It's a way for government to incentivize the private industry to act."

"Then, there's the value of the improved appearance of the building that will then hopefully spread to other blocks and create opportunities for other developments," Downes added.

The City Council will meet Tuesday, but it was unknown at press time if the purchase and sale agreements would be on the agenda. The City Council has already approved the sale of 78 Dexter Ave. in mid-February. That property was appraised at $102,000 and sold for $60,000.

The city purchased the majority of the properties included in the lower Dexter Avenue redevelopment project in bulk for $3.2 million from one property owner.

An attempt to reach Blackman Thursday afternoon was unsuccessful, but he said in an earlier interview that he wanted to improve the façade of 11 Dexter Ave., keep City Drug as a tenant, and turn the second and third floors into residential space for his family.

Blackman, who has a company called Distinctive Homes, is also building the homes for the Lanier Place development near West Fairview Avenue.

A spokesperson for Kapstone declined to be interviewed for this story, but said his company intends to build a four-story mixed-use building that would likely include retail and office space and amount to a multimillion dollar investment. Construction could start mid-summer or early fall of this year.

Chad Emerson, director of development, said the two new agreements will "keep the momentum going" on lower Dexter Avenue.

"Regular intervals of momentum is something that made the Alley successful, and we feel good about Dexter Avenue because we've seen those same regular intervals of action," Emerson said.

The city is negotiating with other individuals who expressed formal interest in redeveloping the properties during a request for proposals process, Emerson said.

"I anticipate, if progress continues to be made as it currently is, that we may have an additional agreement signed by the end of April," Emerson said.
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Two "For Sale" signs, placed by Colonial Commercial Realty, have appeared just off the edges of the Huntingdon College's Cloverdale Campus, one along Fairview Avenue and one at the corner of Boultier Street and Fairview Avenue.

2.85 acres of the 13 acres popularly known as the Cloverdale Campus were purchased by Colonial from the College, in two tracts, several years ago. The tract encompassing the corner of Boultier and Fairview, across from Sinclair's, is 2.2 acres. The tract along Fairview, across from Capitol Book & News, is .65 acres. Colonial's intention has been to develop this property with offices, retail shops, restaurants, and residential facilities that would have enhanced our neighborhood.

Because those development plans have not been realized, Colonial has found it necessary to offer their acreage for sale. None of the College's property on the Cloverdale Campus -- just over 10 acres -- is affected.
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That's great news. I've been looking for someplace to put a Money $tore and double drive thru Taco Bell.
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That is some valuable property for certain...this may be good news moving forward.
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That's great news. I've been looking for someplace to put a Money $tore and double drive thru Taco Bell.
And now, thanks to SmartCode, they will look pretty decent!
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I ain't ascared of you. I'm gonna get it funded by the RSA and put a green roof on it.
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on tomorrow's city council agenda

Ordinance authorizing Purchase/Sale Agreement of real estate at 11 Dexter Avenue for Economic Development.

Ordinance authorizing Purchase/Sale Agreement of real estate at 38 South Perry Street for Economic Development.

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I don’t want to make this forum, the what THEDARKONE1977 thinks forum but…………………

I think Downtown needs a first class MOVIE THEATER
(You can stone me later).
  • It can be built on the block of Commerce, Bibb, and Lee.
  • It should be a 7 -8 story building and the complex should take up most of the block.
  • The entrance to the theater should be on the corner of Commerce and Bibb.
  • Only the ticket counters and concessions should be on the ground floor.
  • The Movie theaters should be on the second floor and can be reached via escalator or elevator.
  • The entrance to a hotel would be on the corner of Commerce and Lee.
  • Their would be a restaurant between the hotel and the movie theater.
  • There could be a combination of restaurants and shops on the ground floor of Bibb street.
  • There could be a combination of restaurants and shops on the ground floor of Lee street.
  • The entire ground floor should be glass because one of the things I like most about ZaZa’s and The Deli is how open they are. They are usually filled with people and you can see it from the street. It always looks like an event is going on and makes you excited to go there.
  • The upper floors could be the rooms of the hotel.
  • The city can build a parking garage in the Rear of the complex with entrances on Bibb and Lee street .

I found these pictures of the CineDom in Germany on the following site. I think something similar to this would be cool. But only 8-12 screens.

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@Thedarkone1977: A million times yes! That first picture even kind of looks like downtown Montgomery. Copy and paste that building into downtown and I think it would be a hit. It needs to be a "go big or go home" deal, though. Something that gets the people talking about Montgomery, more importantly downtown. "Have you seen that new movie theater in downtown Montgomery? That place is awesome! I can't wait to go there." instead of "Did you know downtown has a movie theater now? Me either... I think it's just a couple of screens. Probably no where to park. Meh."
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I don’t want to make this board, what THEDARKONE1977 thinks but…………………

I think Downtown needs a first class MOVIE THEATER
(You can stone me later).
  • It can be built on the block of Commerce, Bibb, and Lee.
  • It should be a 7 -8 story build and the complex should take up most of the block.
  • The entrance to the theater should be on the corner of Commerce and Bibb.
  • Only the ticket counters and concessions should be on the ground floor.
  • The Movie theaters should be on the second floor and can be reached via escalator or elevator.
  • The entrance to a hotel would be on the corner of Commerce and Lee.
  • Their would be a restaurant between the hotel and the movie theater.
  • There could be a combination of restaurants and shops on the ground floor of Bibb street.
  • There could be a combination of restaurants and shops on the ground floor of Lee street.
  • The entire ground floor should be glass.
  • One of the things I like most about ZaZa’s and The Deli is how open they are. They are usually full with people and it always fills like an event and makes you excited to go there.
  • The upper floors could be the rooms of the hotel.
  • The city can build a parking garage in the Rear of the complex with entrances on Bibb and Lee street .

I found these pictures of the CineDom in Germany on the following site. I think something similar to this would be cool. But only 8-12 screens.

Click here.

You should share this with Tyler Caldwell with the City Development Department ([email protected]) if you have not already done so. I shared a ton of ideas with him and they were appreciative and excited (by a couple of them)!
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@Thedarkone1977: A million times yes! That first picture even kind of looks like downtown Montgomery. Copy and paste that building into downtown and I think it would be a hit. It needs to be a "go big or go home" deal, though. Something that gets the people talking about Montgomery, more importantly downtown. "Have you seen that new movie theater in downtown Montgomery? That place is awesome! I can't wait to go there." instead of "Did you know downtown has a movie theater now? Me either... I think it's just a couple of screens. Probably no where to park. Meh."

I agree with everything you said nayrlladnar.

A movie theater would help all downtown business.
  • A first class movie theater would be a bigger boom to downtown than the BISCUITS.
  • You never see a standalone movie theater. Retail businesses and Restaurants always comes along with it.
  • It would bring thousands of new people to downtown weekly (the entire year) looking to spend money.
  • Most people who go to the movies go to dinner and shop before or afterwards.
  • A movie theater is a great way to bring young people to downtown (Library, QuestPlex, Skateboard park, the Riverwalk, and [Hopefully in the future] the Park across the River).
  • Hotel stayers will have another entertainment option.
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You should share this with Tyler Caldwell with the City Development Department ([email protected]) if you have not already done so. I shared a ton of ideas with him and they were appreciative and excited (by a couple of them)!

Thanks OCA REP. I've wanted to attend for weeks now but I've had TBall practice on every thursday since the meetings started. We don't have any practice this week so I will be there.
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I still think my idea of an open air market (ala Charleston) on the the north end of Commerce would work.
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I still think my idea of an open air market (ala Charleston) on the the north end of Commerce would work.
Greenville SC does a nice Saturday farmer market. GreenvilleHD.com has a nice video about it, take a look.

http://www.greenvillehd.com/greenville-sc-events/carolina-first-saturday-market/
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