NEW YORK | One World Trade Center | 1,776' Pinnacle / 1,373' Roof | 108 FLOORS

[Aleks]

Guys, please keep the conversation on the construction of this tower.

A few off-topic posts are ok, but let's remember that this is a thread for the construction of 1WTC. If it's too much to ask for then we'll start deleting every post that doesn't have anything to do with construction (and design, but again, limit yourselves).

If you have opinions about the designs there are proper threads for discussion.

If you would like to discuss the former WTC, again, please do so in the proper threads.

Let's try to keep things tidy around here.

PS: If you feel like someone is derailing the thread or creating a hostile environment don't hesitate to report the post(s) and a mod will try to sort things out and take disciplinary action if necessary.

[sw5710]

Originally Posted by STR

Not quite. The old 1WTC was not 1,368 to the parapet, but to the top of the hat truss in the middle of the roof (1,368'2 to be exact). The parapet on the old tower was 1,362'10" and both numbers were exactly 6' lower for the other tower (1362'2" & 1356'10) As for the rest of this nonsense, the new complex is bigger and denser than what came before. There's vastly more underground space, and more buildings that combine to choke a very large amount of sunlight. If you dislike it architecturally, whatever, but if you're calling it smaller, it's simply not true.

-Signed the only person on the f'ing planet that can walk through both.

That answers it. Thanks for this comparison.

[pj3000]

Originally Posted by STR

That first half of your comment is why I added the tag line. You don't understand the scale. You just don't, because of the simple fact you can't. The renders don't convey the scale of the new buildings. You have to sit yourself down at ground level and look around. Go inside. Experience it as you would the real thing. The old complex had the low rise buildings to contrast with. It allows you to better grasp the monumentality of the larger buildings, because you have something "normal" to compare them to.

The new WTC doesn't have that. You start with a giant building, and they get larger from there. Just showing an abstract render, especially one without benches, cars, doors and other human scale objects (which I may or may not ever get around to adding) doesn't convey mass or scale of the superhuman. Sure, they still show color and proportion, and to an extent how things will integrate into their surroundings, but that's it.

So you totally missed the point, my friend. That line wasn't a boast. It was the exact opposite, the admission that the works I made and posted here are utterly inadequate. You can't really convey scale with a photo either, as anyone who has taken photos of this building will attest to: it's bigger in real life. It's bigger virtually too, you just can't take a snapshot (which is all a render is) and still fill in all of the blanks.

So no offense taken, and I hope none was given. It really was a misunderstanding.

It was a misunderstanding. I misinterpreted your intent in your response to sw5710's post. Plus, I was in a crappy mood earlier. Sorry for jumping to conclusions without really understanding the context. We do all appreciate the renders... they are the best thing to happen to this thread, and one of the highlights of the entire forum.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by sw5710

That answers it. Thanks for this comparison.

The tower definitely looks better when viewed from that angle, I despise the tapering, it takes so much away from the building. (I still like the building though)

[Plokoon11]

Man they need to raise some more steel, its been almost 3 weeks now.

[aquablue]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

The tower definitely looks better when viewed from that angle, I despise the tapering, it takes so much away from the building. (I still like the building though)

IMO, that's the worst angle that you can view this tower. The tapering gives this tower it's elegance. If you rotate the building, the view of the 4 angled sides at once (appears like a cut diamond), combined with the reflection from direct light, is the best angle.

[Tall guy 31]

I know it's off topic....I apologize. But today was the 38th anniversary of the ceremonial opening of the old WTC!!!

[STR]

Originally Posted by aquablue

IMO, that's the worst angle that you can view this tower. The tapering gives this tower it's elegance. If you rotate the building, the view of the 4 angled sides at once (appears like a cut diamond), combined with the reflection from direct light, is the best angle.

Then you should be happy to learn that, from the ground, Tower 1 tapers dramatically from all angles.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by STR

Then you should be happy to learn that, from the ground, Tower 1 tapers dramatically from all angles.

Well, minus the four corners, he's right to say the sillohuette of the tower will look like the old tower 1 when viewed from the north south east or west.

I think the most interesting way to view this tower though is not from the completely tapered or completely flat sides but rather from the angles in between where the tower only slightly tapers.

[STR]

Again, not when viewed from anywhere within 2-3 blocks of the thing, as the fact that the corners are receding from you, it reinforces the perspective effect, making the building visually taper.

[aquablue]

Can you imagine how great it would have been to have a 420m London Shard as the FT?

[slayerhk47]

Originally Posted by Tall guy 31

I know it's off topic....I apologize. But today was the 38th anniversary of the ceremonial opening of the old WTC!!!

This thread is about the grand World Trade Center building number one. This is replacing the old WTC which were a group of magnificent buildings. I would find it off topic if it WAS NOT mentioned that the old WTC was opened on this date 38 years ago.


Thank you for that tidbit of information.

[Zensteeldude]

First it was snow, now it's rain !

What do we need to do, sacrifice a chicken to Mother Natuere ?!?

I hope they can make up the weather delays this summer.

[jigglysquishy]

According to posters on SSC, 1 WTC is now taller than 7 WTC.

[Plokoon11]

The way this pattern is setting up, WTC will finally be able to surpass WTC7 maybe in July....

[Zensteeldude]

Originally Posted by jigglysquishy

According to posters on SSC, 1 WTC is now taller than 7 WTC.

FCU jumped the gun. The next lift will bring it above T7.

[Obey]

Originally Posted by jigglysquishy

According to posters on SSC, 1 WTC is now taller than 7 WTC.

Not quite yet.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by STR

Again, not when viewed from anywhere within 2-3 blocks of the thing, as the fact that the corners are receding from you, it reinforces the perspective effect, making the building visually taper.

Yes but what I was trying to say is that the tapering, depending on the angle is either very apparent, not apparent at all or somewhat apparent. For example...

Mild tapering


But still bold up top


My personal favorite angle


No apparent tapering (especially in silohuette) (I know these are old)




Full taper





Sorry to post so many pictures but my (obvious) point is the tower looks very different depending on the angles in terms of tapering.

The top will still be pretty bold, most people don't realize that the top floor plates of this building are actually well larger than those of sears above it's 89th floor.

Floors 90-108 of sears tower measure 150' by 75'

The very top of 1WTC measures 200' by 140'. Although slightly shorter than sears tower, it will still have a hell of an impact as a building.

[STR]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Sorry to post so many pictures but my (obvious) point is the tower looks very different depending on the angles in terms of tapering.

Pictures are fine. It's nice to see something different from the chain of photos showing the same new pane of glass from 5 different angles. However, I hope you don't really think the geometry of this building has to be explained to me.

[The Grand Architect]

Originally Posted by Plokoon11

The way this pattern is setting up, WTC will finally be able to surpass WTC7 maybe in July....

I doubt it. Probably mid April or late April. If the steel aren't raised past April, then they got a problem.