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Old Posted Mar 29, 2011, 3:14 PM
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Ignoring the contaminants, I guess using the site as an "urban farm" would be okay for a temporary use, but as a permanent use it makes no sense whatsoever, particularly if you are the sort of person who is in favour of sustainability, local food, limiting sprawl, etc. Taking valuable inner-city sites and using them to grow food just pushes everything farther apart, making it harder to walk and more attractive to drive. It eliminates affordable housing options and lengthens commutes.

Most people in Halifax do not see these tradeoffs. They just think "green space = good" and in the absence of leadership their uninformed opinion rules. As a result the city suffers from a host of issues: bad traffic, lack of affordable housing, volatile school enrollment, etc. etc.
It will only be a temporary use, maybe 5 years until the hospital decides to expand. A garden there should be fine; cover the soil that is there and use raised beds with clean soil, no problem
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2011, 3:23 PM
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Developer looking to repeat

Metlege buys land, eventually wants to build another complex in north-end Halifax


By CHRIS LAMBIE

Business Editor

Halifax developer Tony Metlege has bought a property just west of the Hydrostone Market where he plans to build a residential and commercial complex.

The 13,760-square-foot proper­ty at 5651 Kaye St. is leased long­term to ICI Paints , a national paint supply company. But Met­lege, who completed his seven­storey Garden Stone Place across the street last year, hopes to build something similar on the newly acquired property.

“The tenants there currently have a lease for another five years, so unless they move earli­er or we try to move them, there are no plans to start on it right away," Metlege said Monday.

Eventually, Metlege wants to build a project similar to his $9-million, 30-unit apartment Garden Stone complex at 5552 Kaye St., which also has 20,000 square feet of commercial space over the two bottom floors. The commercial floors have tenants including Starbucks , Assante Wealth Management , Lang Optometry & Eyewear and The Adventure Travel Co.

“A lot of things can change in four or five years, but you’re probably talking a $9-million or $10-million development," said Metlege, who partnered with his cousin Steven on the recent pur­chase.

He wouldn’t say what they paid for the property. But a num­bered company controlled by the two cousins financed the pur­chase with a mortgage from the Bank of Montreal for $927,000.

They bought the land, which once housed a Shell service sta­tion, from Teaticket Holdings Inc.

“Land’s getting expensive everywhere," Tony Metlege said.

The building will likely be rentals, he said.

“It’s probably going to be (the city’s) biggest growing neigh­bourhood for the next few years," Metlege said.

“I’ve got another site down the street on the corner of Almon and Isleville."

Metlege said he and his cousin bought that land last year and they hope to get approval by the end of this year from Halifax Regional Municipality to start building there in the spring of 2012.

They’re hoping to build a seven-storey building on that vacant property that would have a layer of commercial space on the bottom and apartments above.

“Architects are just working on different designs now," Metlege said. “Nothing’s going to be under $8-million to $10-million." Larry Swinamer, whose com­pany,

Larex Properties , owns the Hydrostone Market, is keen to see more development nearby.

“Anything new in the area is good," Swinamer said Monday.

“It’s putting some increased density in here and changing the population mix to some degree."

Larex has owned the Hydros­tone Market for about 15 years.

“It’s a great property," Swi­namer said. “It’s one of the few commercial properties I’ve ever owned that I actually have an ongoing waiting list for."

Meanwhile, Sobeys- owned

ECL Properties Ltd. could be downsizing its plan to build an 11-storey condominium project nearby on a property bounded by Kaye, Russell and Gottingen streets, said Coun. Jerry Blu­menthal (Halifax North End).

“I think it’s down to eight storeys, plus a penthouse," Blu­menthal said, noting that ECL’s initial proposal was to build 14 storeys on the site.

The project would be sur­rounded by two-storey town­houses and commercial space on the site of the former St. Joseph’s Church, which was torn down in the summer of 2009.

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Old Posted Mar 29, 2011, 4:32 PM
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This is great news and another perfect location. Now if we could just get the brewery to move - then we could restore the original block pattern and get 4 more highrise mixed use buildings in there with some good height and this neighbourhood will be kick ass (more so than now).
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2011, 4:38 PM
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This is great news and another perfect location. Now if we could just get the brewery to move - then we could restore the original block pattern and get 4 more highrise mixed use buildings in there with some good height and this neighbourhood will be kick ass (more so than now).
Couldn't agree more
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2011, 5:16 PM
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Ignoring the contaminants, I guess using the site as an "urban farm" would be okay for a temporary use, but as a permanent use it makes no sense whatsoever, particularly if you are the sort of person who is in favour of sustainability, local food, limiting sprawl, etc. Taking valuable inner-city sites and using them to grow food just pushes everything farther apart, making it harder to walk and more attractive to drive. It eliminates affordable housing options and lengthens commutes.

Most people in Halifax do not see these tradeoffs. They just think "green space = good" and in the absence of leadership their uninformed opinion rules. As a result the city suffers from a host of issues: bad traffic, lack of affordable housing, volatile school enrollment, etc. etc.
I agree that it's a large plot of land and should have density eventually (and it will), but there are a lot of different issues here. Opening this space may actually make it easier to walk through if a path is included. When Capital Health built the new emergency centre as an expansion to the infirmary they actually blocked pedestrian access from Robie to Bell Road that I used as a short cut sometimes. Using this site for affordable housing was never on the books and, as far as I understand, it will be a further hospital addition. The bad traffic, lack of cheap housing, etc. has very little to do with community movements (some of which, I agree, are of little benefit) and much more to do with planning decisions and the municipal political structure. Of course, lack of leadership, like you point out, is a big problem.
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2011, 9:10 PM
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Article from CBC on the Oval Passing

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/03/29/ns-halifax-common-oval-future.html

But Beverly Miller, co-chair of Friends of the Halifax Common, doesn't like the price or location.

"The question is should it be the oval, which is huge and far in excess of what's needed for your average recreational skating facility, and also should it be here on the Common?" Miller said.

Miller said green space is already limited in the park. She also doesn't want to see the Common become too commercialized.

WHY DOES THIS UN-ELECTED PERSON HAVE SO MUCH INFLUENCE?
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Who is this nut anyway?
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2011, 9:25 PM
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How can anybody think theres not already enough greenspace in Halifax. I honesly wish we would just build over some of it and increase density.

On that note though, Im very glad to see this approved though I cant say Im surprised at all by the outcome.
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2011, 9:42 PM
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Who is this nut anyway?
See my post in the 1595 Barrington Street development thread.
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2011, 11:13 PM
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Who is this nut anyway?
A nut.

Someone mentioned she has a MBA. In my experience most MBAs, especially the newly-minted Executive MBA types, are among the most loony and self-important types I have ever encountered. They wouldn't know a good idea if it presented them with an engraved invitation. But they can take a really bad idea, spend millions planning it, measuring it, evaluating it, and spinning it, and claim a total failure is actually a good investment.
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Article from CBC on the Oval Passing

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/03/29/ns-halifax-common-oval-future.html

But Beverly Miller, co-chair of Friends of the Halifax Common, doesn't like the price or location.

"The question is should it be the oval, which is huge and far in excess of what's needed for your average recreational skating facility, and also should it be here on the Common?" Miller said.

Miller said green space is already limited in the park. She also doesn't want to see the Common become too commercialized.
I think the commons (especially that particular location) are an excellent location for a skating oval. It does not take away from the green space as far as I'm concerned, and will make the commons a little less "cold" and lonely in the wintertime. Also, if I'm not mistaken, aren't they planning on a beach volleyball facility in the middle of the oval for summertime use, as well as the oval doing double duty for in-line skating?

You can't just reserve the commons for dog walking and ball diamonds. It has to be more than this to feel alive. The commons are a treasure for the central peninsula. They should be developed for all forms of recreational purposes.

Some people will just oppose anything, I think Beverly Miller is one of them......
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2011, 1:21 AM
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They want it to be nothing but green space... these folks don't like the ballfields, etc.
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Wrong thread.

Last edited by fenwick16; Mar 30, 2011 at 1:31 AM. Reason: wrong thread
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2011, 2:27 AM
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Yep, the Commons are poorly set up and before the oval that area offered very little. Bev is wrong, as usual.

We even have a precedent for this -- the skatepark area is much more popular now than it was when it was grass. This pretty much by definition means that it is a better public space.

That blurb about how she wants infill but not $500k condos is classic. MBAs don't require Econ 1000 I guess.
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Yep, the Commons are poorly set up and before the oval that area offered very little. Bev is wrong, as usual.

We even have a precedent for this -- the skatepark area is much more popular now than it was when it was grass. This pretty much by definition means that it is a better public space.

That blurb about how she wants infill but not $500k condos is classic. MBAs don't require Econ 1000 I guess.
The skate park area is definitely more used now. My friends and I plan to make a trip up this summer just for that reason. I'm not much of a skateboarder mind you. I'm the photographer
It is always fun
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Halifax, province want to sell more public property, Kelly says

By MICHAEL LIGHTSTONE City Hall Reporter
Thu, Mar 31 - 3:08 PM

Halifax city hall and the Dexter government are teaming up to try to bring their downtown properties to market, Mayor Peter Kelly said Thursday.

He told a business luncheon the Opportunity Sites Task Force will deal with an "unacceptable" amount of government real estate sitting in Halifax Regional Municipality's urban cores.

Kelly said there's "a sizeable amount of vacant and underutilized land owned by government" in Halifax and Dartmouth.

"This land must be put to work - and it will be," the mayor said during a prepared speech at a Halifax hotel.

Kelly said the task force will attempt to move land into the hands of developers, through real estate negotaitions, though he was short on details.

He said 12 per cent of the total area in downtown Halifax is owned by government; in Dartmouth, the figure is 14 per cent.

"This joint venture will be agile, it will be decisive, it will be action-oriented and it will be focused on reinforcing our position as Atlantic Canada's regional centre," Kelly said in his annual state-of-the-municipality address.

The mayor's announcement seems at odds with comments a provincial cabinet minister made in January.

Bill Estabrooks, minister of Transportation and Infrastructure Renewal, said the province’s sale of a Halifax office building doesn’t mean other government sites will be on the market.

He made the statement after the province announced it will sell the Joseph Howe Building to Universal Realty Ltd. downtown for close to $15 million. The firm submitted the highest bid for the property, which the province has on a lease-to-own basis.

Universal will acquire the 13-storey building in 2012, after the province takes ownership.

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Old Posted Mar 31, 2011, 7:30 PM
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I don't recall exactly what Estabrooks said but I think he was talking more about the province selling off buildings in use rather than vacant sites.

Good to hear that this issue is getting some attention from the government itself. Some real estate analysts, developers, etc. have been complaining about this for years. It's really bad for the downtown.

However, I am a little worried about grand plans for "reinforcing our position as Atlantic Canada's regional centre". That sounds nice but it is way better to have simple plans that are executed than grand plans that gather dust on a shelf somewhere. Downtown Halifax would be a much better place if even average buildings went up on the empty lots; in the future if there were demand for the more elaborate buildings then the average ones could just be torn down and redeveloped. The idea that land has to be saved until the "perfect opportunity" is really harmful.
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Im not to sure if they were talking about vacant lots or other buildings but at least its a step in the right direction
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Just a reminder, it's 'common' without an 's'.

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Old Posted Mar 31, 2011, 10:59 PM
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I grew up three blocks away and "the commons" has always been more common than "the common". Hehe... This is local popular vernacular!
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