The US Census Bureau thread - Page 55

Crawford · #**1081** Posted **Mar 25, 2011, 6:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Crawford has made the point time and time again... but always ignores further analysis of the region's unique demographics.

This won't shock you, but I disagree. IMO, Pittsburgh isn't really unique from peer Eastern Great Lakes cities.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Quite simply, population change is a lagging indicator of economic performance.

It's a leading indicator. The U.S. is a very mobile population. Folks go where the jobs and opportunity exist, whether they're Western PA natives or originally from the Phillipines.

The fact that Pittsburgh receives fewer immigrants than, say Detroit, is probably the reason for its lower domestic outmigration.

Domestic outmigration is explicitly tied to rates of immigration. Any area with higher immigration will have, by definition, higher outmigration. This is why growing Sunbelt places with high immigration (say, Southern California) have very high rates of domestic outmigration.

mhays · #**1082** Posted **Mar 25, 2011, 6:38 PM**

In/outmigration might tend to correlate, but they aren't directly tied.

SD_Phil · #**1083** Posted **Mar 25, 2011, 6:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by antinimby

The question is...did the Nerdisphere population here increased, decreased or remained the same since 2000?

I think the most sensible answer is that we need to take into account how the nerdisphere was first counted in 2000 in order to compare it to the methods used to account for it in 2010 before we can even begin a meaningful comparison.

Furthermore the very meaning of a "nerd" who is counted as a citizen of the nerdisphere may vary across the spheres such that some communities may be annexing nerd communities that wouldn't even count as nerds in another community. All of this must be taken into account and even then I don't think we can ever actually make precise judgments.

It's safe to say that most nerdispheres, including our own illustrious one, are growing at a good clip though not nearly as well as in the late 90s when the nerdisphere really exploded.

Having said that it's important to look at the nerdispheres that have dramatically lost population (AOL) and see them in their proper context also so we can understand their failures.

Crawford · #**1084** Posted **Mar 25, 2011, 6:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by mhays

In/outmigration might tend to correlate, but they aren't directly tied.

I think they are pretty directly tied on a neighborhood level.

Take parts of Bensonhurst, Brooklyn.

Traditionally stable white ethnic, with little outmigration. Little change in housing stock. Introduce international inflows (mostly from former Soviet states and China) and domestic outmigration will automatically increase, and pretty much directly tied to rates of inmigration.

The international inmigration puts pressure on the housing stock, changes the cultural makeup, etc. Assuming housing unit count is roughly fixed, one influences the other.

Would Bensonhurst still be mostly Italian if Russians and Chinese never decided to move there in large numbers? I think it's likely.

dave8721 · #**1085** Posted **Mar 25, 2011, 6:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by dave8721

The new 2010 densities for Miami and the other densest cities in Miami-Dade:
North Bay Village 21,484 pp/sqmile
Sunny Isles Beach 20,524 pp/sqmile
Sweetwater 17,087 pp/sqmile
Bay Harbor Islands 14,070 pp/sqmile
Aventura 13,245 pp/sqmile
Miami Beach 12,540 pp/sqmile
Hialeah 11,702 pp/sqmile
Miami 11,196 pp/sqmile
Surfside 10,077 pp/sqmile
Key Biscayne 10,069 pp/sqmile

Those cities combine for 69 square miles and a population of 812,851 if Miami got all annexy. Those darn "new non-dense" sunbelt cities again....

On the topic of silly City boundaries. In Florida, Jacksonville loves to tout that fact that it is "Florida's largest City" and is usually quoted as such in the media. But compare the numbers above of those Miami area cities having 812,851 people in their 69 square miles with the fact that Jacksonville has 821,784 in its 747 square miles. Miami-Dade County alone has about 400 square miles of developable land (minus the everglades) and fits over 2.5 million people into it

747 square mile Jacksonville has 812,000 people, a 747 square mile Miami/Ft.Lauderdale would have about 4,000,000 people.

...yet Jacksonville is the "largest city in Florida"

brickell · #**1086** Posted **Mar 25, 2011, 7:01 PM**

But you can't blame Jacksonville anymore than you can blame Houston or New York. They're doing what think makes them a better city. I think more cities should do what Jacksonville has done, including Miami, Orlando, Tampa, St. Pete. There's far too much city/county conflict when it comes to development.

Blame the press and shallow city boosters. But I honestly don't think anybody on earth is going to mistake Jacksonville as the "biggest city" in Florida.

jaxg8r1 · #**1087** Posted **Mar 25, 2011, 7:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by brickell

But you can't blame Jacksonville anymore than you can blame Houston or New York. They're doing what think makes them a better city. I think more cities should do what Jacksonville has done, including Miami, Orlando, Tampa, St. Pete. There's far too much city/county conflict when it comes to development.

Blame the press and shallow city boosters. But I honestly don't think anybody on earth is going to mistake Jacksonville as the "biggest city" in Florida.

+1

Jacksonville is the largest city in Florida, but not in the way most people use the term "city". Anybody with 1/3 of 1/2 of a brain knows Jacksonville is not anywhere near as large, prominent or important as Miami.

Although I will say that the urbanized Jacksonville is not anywhere near as large as 746 or whatever square miles. Per census tracts, the real Jacksonville is about 293 square miles and about 756k people (by real, I mean census tracts over 1000 ppsm, which is hardly urban). You could even go further and say the "real" Jacksonville is 83 square miles and 337737 in population (any tracts over 3000 ppsm). Again, no where near Miami densities...

Somnio · #**1088** Posted **Mar 25, 2011, 7:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by mhays

Houston is "big" mostly because the city limits are broad.

No, not really.

In the 2000 census the Houston urban area, which is what most say is the best judge of how "big" a city really is, was at 3,822,509. That made it the tenth most populous urban area in the U.S.

Of course Houston grew a lot since then, so that number will be substantially larger when the 2010 urban area data is released.

I'd say that's pretty "big".

tech12 · #**1089** Posted **Mar 25, 2011, 9:18 PM**

I was looking through census tract data, and noticed that the only big cities in CA with any tracts that are over 40% black are Los Angeles, Oakland, San Diego, and San Francisco. San Diego has one, San Francisco has 3, Oakland has 22, and LA has to have the most (i'm not sure where the borders are between LA and neighboring cities when looking at a map of census tracts, but LA has to be at the top here due to size).

Also, the only big city in CA with no census tracts that are over 20% black is San Jose.

edit: and when it comes to 60-80% black, SD has no tracts, then you have SF with one, Oakland with four, and LA looks like it has at least several. LA is the only big city that has any tracts above 80% though.

source: http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2010/map?hp

edit #2: whoops meant to post this in the northern california census thread...though it fits here too i guess.

mhays · #**1090** Posted **Mar 25, 2011, 9:20 PM**

10th is about right, or 9th by another measure. When they call it 4th that's where disagreement happens.

mhays · #**1091** Posted **Mar 25, 2011, 9:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

I think they are pretty directly tied on a neighborhood level.

Take parts of Bensonhurst, Brooklyn.

Traditionally stable white ethnic, with little outmigration. Little change in housing stock. Introduce international inflows (mostly from former Soviet states and China) and domestic outmigration will automatically increase, and pretty much directly tied to rates of inmigration.

The international inmigration puts pressure on the housing stock, changes the cultural makeup, etc. Assuming housing unit count is roughly fixed, one influences the other.

Would Bensonhurst still be mostly Italian if Russians and Chinese never decided to move there in large numbers? I think it's likely.

You're talking about a specific type of scenario.

In any geographic area large enough to accommodate actual growth, it works differently.

urbanactivist · #**1092** Posted **Mar 25, 2011, 9:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

Obviously it's a necessary part of explaining city population.

Unless folks really think Fort Worth and Louisville are bigger than Boston and DC, these rankings need to be contextualized.

I think it depends on the measure of how we define "city" and what the role of the city is.

By some measures, Washington DC is the most important city in our country because of the unique intersection of government and business that is has to support, and the influence of how it interacts throughout the world. More people are dependent upon the decisions coming from Washington than the decisions coming from Chicago (talking broad scale here). That is a contextualization of DC.

But then in terms of its metro, which city is more important... DC or Baltimore? That's another consideration when you have cities that are very close to one another like the Northeast. Where does one metro end and another begin?

I get the point about some cities being seemingly "overdrawn" but aren't all of these boundaries political anyway?

By the same token, take the parts of a singular city. New York is divided into 5 separate boroughs. They all have things that they share in common and things that set them apart. If someone is standing in Manhattan and then they go to Staten Island, I'm pretty sure they could tell the difference between the two places, but both of them are considered New York. Yet take that person to Jersey City, and it will have more in common with Manhattan than Staten Island. One is part of NYC, one is not.

So unless we're going to establish a standard of measuring political divisions for all US cities, we'll continue to have this issue about what defines a place as city, and what defines it as something else.

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Originally Posted by mhays

10th is about right, or 9th by another measure. When they call it 4th that's where disagreement happens.

But when you're saying "10th" and "9th" you're talking about metropolitan area, not city limits. My point is that we can disagree, but we have to accept what the municipal governments put forward as their city limits. There's no direct proportion of city to urbanized area. Besides what about government?? If 2.1 million people in Houston all have the same mayor and share one municipal government structure, is that not one way of how to define the area as a city?

mhays · #**1093** Posted **Mar 25, 2011, 9:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by SD_Phil

I think the most sensible answer is that we need to take into account how the nerdisphere was first counted in 2000 in order to compare it to the methods used to account for it in 2010 before we can even begin a meaningful comparison.

The nerdisphere existed WAY before then. But it was more about sitting around the latest World Almanac, trying to compare cities' font sizes on an unfolded map, and going to the library to read stacks of the local business paper to glean clues about development projects and by extension how happy you should be as a person.

Counting nerds was much harder then. Not just the lack of suitable gathering places upon which to base a count, but also the social unacceptedness that caused people to claim mainstream spheres rather than their real nerd identities.

ChiSoxRox · #**1094** Posted **Mar 25, 2011, 11:20 PM**

Note that Delaware, Maine, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming do not have any cities big enough to make this list.

Alabama:
Birmingham city, AL: 212,237 (-30,583)
Montgomery city, AL: 205,764 (+4,196)
Mobile city, AL: 195,111 (-3,804)
Huntsville city, AL: 180,105 (+21,889)

Alaska
Anchorage city, AK: 291,826 (+31,543)

Arizona
Phoenix city, AZ: 1,445,632 (+124,587)
Tucson city, AZ: 520,116 (+33,417)
Mesa city, AZ: 439,041 (+42,666)
Chandler city, AZ: 236,123 (+59,542)
Glendale city, AZ: 226,721 (+7,909)
Scottsdale city, AZ: 217,385 (+14,680)
Gilbert city, AZ: 208,453 (+98,756)
Tempe city, AZ: 161,719 (+3,094)
Peoria city, AZ: 154,065 (+45,701)
Surprise city, AZ: 117,517 (+86,669)

Arkansas
Little Rock city, AR: 193,524 (+10,391)

California
Los Angeles city, CA: 3,792,621 (+97,801)
San Diego city, CA: 1,307,402 (+84,002)
San Jose city, CA: 945,942 (+50,999)
San Francisco city, CA: 805,235 (+28,502)
Fresno city, CA: 494,665 (+67,013)
Sacramento city, CA: 466,488 (+59,470)
Long Beach city, CA: 462,257 (+735)
Oakland city, CA: 390,724 (-8,760)
Bakersfield city, CA: 347,483 (+100,426)
Anaheim city, CA: 336,265 (+8,251)
Santa Ana city, CA: 324,528 (-13,449)
Riverside city, CA: 303,871 (+48,705)
Stockton city, CA: 291,707 (+47,936)
Chula Vista city, CA: 243,916 (+70,360)
Fremont city, CA: 214,089 (+10,676)
Irvine city, CA: 212,375 (+69,303)
San Bernardino city, CA: 209,924 (+24,523)
Modesto city, CA: 201,165 (+12,309)
Oxnard city, CA: 197,899 (+27,541)
Fontana city, CA: 196,069 (+67,140)
Moreno Valley city, CA: 193,365 (+50,984)
Glendale city, CA: 191,719 (-3,254)
Huntington Beach city, CA: 189,992 (+398)
Santa Clarita city, CA: 176,320 (+25,232)
Garden Grove city, CA: 170,883 (+5,687)
Santa Rosa city, CA: 167,815 (+20,220)
Oceanside city, CA: 167,086 (+6,057)
Rancho Cucamonga city, CA: 165,269 (+37,526)
Ontario city, CA: 163,924 (+5,917)
Lancaster city, CA: 156,633 (+37,915)
Elk Grove city, CA: 153,015 (+93,031)
Palmdale city, CA: 152,750 (+36,080)
Corona city, CA: 152,374 (+27,378)
Salinas city, CA: 150,441 (-619)
Pomona city, CA: 149,058 (-415)
Torrance city, CA: 145,438 (+7,492)
Hayward city, CA: 144,186 (+4,156)
Escondido city, CA: 143,911 (+10,352)
Sunnyvale city, CA: 140,081 (+8,321)
Pasadena city, CA: 137,122 (+3,186)
Orange city, CA: 136,416 (+7,595)
Fullerton city, CA: 135,161 (+9,158)
Thousand Oaks city, CA: 126,683 (+9,678)
East Los Angeles CDP, CA: 126,496 (+2,213)
Visalia city, CA: 124,442 (+32,877)
Simi Valley city, CA: 124,237 (+12,886)
Concord city, CA: 122,067 (+287)
Roseville city, CA: 118,788 (+38,867)
Santa Clara city, CA: 116,468 (+14,107)
Vallejo city, CA: 115,942 (-818)
Victorville city, CA: 115,903 (+51,873)
El Monte city, CA: 113,475 (-2,490)
Berkeley city, CA: 112,580 (+9,758)
Downey city, CA: 111,772 (+4,449)
Costa Mesa city, CA: 109,960 (+1,236)
Inglewood city, CA: 109,673 (-2,907)
Ventura city, CA: 106,433 (+5,517)
West Covina city, CA: 106,098 (+1,018)
Norwalk city, CA: 105,549 (+2,251)
Carlsbad city, CA: 105,328 (+27,081)
Fairfield city, CA: 105,321 (+9,143)
Richmond city, CA: 103,701 (+4,485)
Murrieta city, CA: 103,466 (+59,184)
Burbank city, CA: 103,340 (+3,024)
Antioch city, CA: 102,372 (+11,840)
Daly City city, CA: 101,123 (-2,498)
Temecula city, CA: 100,097 (+42,381)

Colorado
Denver city, CO: 600,158 (+45,522)
Colorado Springs city, CO: 416,427 (+55,537)
Aurora city, CO: 325,078 (+48,685)
Fort Collins city, CO: 143,986 (+25,334)
Lakewood city, CO: 142,980 (-1,146)
Thornton city, CO: 118,772 (+36,388)
Pueblo city, CO: 106,595 (+4,474)
Arvada city, CO: 106,433 (+4,280)
Westminster city, CO: 106,114 (+5,174)
Centennial city, CO: 100,377 (n/a)

Connecticut
Bridgeport city, CT: 144,229 (+4,700)
New Haven city, CT: 129,779 (+6,153)
Hartford city, CT: 124,775 (+3,197)
Stamford city, CT: 122,643 (+5,560)
Waterbury city, CT: 110,366 (+3,095)

District of Columbia
Washington city, D.C.: 601,723 (+29,664)

Florida
Jacksonville city, FL: 821,784 (+86,167)
Miami city, FL: 399,457 (+36,987)
Tampa city, FL: 335,709 (+32,262)
St. Petersburg city, FL: 244,769 (-3,463)
Orlando city, FL: 238,300 (+52,349)
Hialeah city, FL: 224,669 (-1,750)
Tallahassee city, FL: 181,376 (+30,752)
Fort Lauderdale city, FL: 165,521 (+13,124)
Port St. Lucie city, FL: 164,603 (+75,834)
Pembroke Pines city, FL: 154,750 (+17,323)
Cape Coral city, FL: 154,305 (+52,019)
Hollywood city, FL: 140,768 (+1,411)
Gainesville city, FL: 124,354 (+28,907)
Miramar city, FL: 122,041 (+49,302)
Coral Springs city, FL: 121,096 (+3,547)
Clearwater city, FL: 107,685 (-1,102)
Miami Gardens city, FL: 107,167 (n/a)
Palm Bay city, FL: 103,190 (+23,777)

Georgia
Atlanta city, GA:: 420,003 (+3,529)
Augusta city, GA: 200,549 (+774)
Columbus city, GA: 189,885 (+3,594)
Savannah city, GA: 136,286 (+4,776)
Athens city, GA: 116,714 (+15,225)

Hawaii
Honolulu CDP, HI (incl. East Honolulu): 387,170 (+15,513)

Idaho
Boise city, ID: 205,671 (+19,884)

Illinois
Chicago city, IL: 2,695,598 (-200,418)
Aurora city, IL: 197,899 (+54,909)
Rockford city, IL: 152,871 (+2,756)
Joliet city, IL: 147,433 (+41,212)
Naperville city, IL: 141,853 (+13,495)
Springfield city, IL: 116,250 (+4,796)
Peoria city, IL: 115,007 (+2,071)
Elgin city, IL: 108,188 (+13,701)

Indiana
Indianapolis city, IN: 829,718 (+37,792)
Fort Wayne city, IN: 253,691 (+47,964)
Evansville city, IN: 117,429 (-4,153)
South Bend city, IN: 101,168 (-6,621)

Iowa
Des Moines city, IA: 203,433 (+4,751)
Cedar Rapids city, IA: 126,326 (+5,568)

Kansas
Wichita city, KS: 382,368 (+38,084)
Overland Park city, KS: 173,372 (+24,292)
Kansas City city, KS: 145,786 (-1,080)
Topeka city, KS: 127,473 (+5,096)
Olathe city, KS: 125,872 (+32,910)

Kentucky
Louisville city, KY: 741,096 (+484,865)
Lexington city, KY: 295,803 (+35,291)

Louisiana
New Orleans city, LA: 343,829 (-140,845)
Baton Rouge city, LA: 229,493 (+1,675)
Shreveport city, LA: 199,311 (-834)
Metairie CDP, LA: 138,481 (-7,655)
Lafayette city, LA: 120,623 (+10,366)

Maryland
Baltimore city, MD: 620,961 (-30,193)

Massachusetts
Boston city, MA: 617,594 (+28,453)
Worcester city, MA: 181,045 (+8,397)
Springfield city, MA: 153,060 (+978)
Lowell city, MA: 106,519 (+1,352)
Cambridge city, MA: 105,162 (+3,807)

Michigan
Detroit city, MI: 713,777 (-237,493)
Grand Rapids city, MI: 188,040 (-9,760)
Warren city, MI: 134,056 (-4,191)
Sterling Heights city, MI: 129,699 (+5,228)
Lansing city, MI: 114,297 (-4,831)
Ann Arbor city, MI: 113,934 (-90)
Flint city, MI: 102,434 (-22,509)

Minnesota
Minneapolis city, MN: 382,578 (-40)
St. Paul city, MN: 285,068 (-2,083)
Rochester city, MN: 106,769 (+20,963)

Mississippi
Jackson city, MS: 173,514 (-10,742)

Missouri
Kansas City city, MO: 459,787 (+18,242)
St. Louis city, MO: 319,294 (-28,895)
Springfield city, MO: 159,498 (+7,918)
Independence city, MO: 116,830 (+3,542)
Columbia city, MO: 108,500 (+23,969)

Montana
Billings city, MT: 104,170 (+14,323)

Nebraska
Omaha city, NE: 408,958 (+18,951)
Lincoln city, NE: 258,379 (+32,798)

Nevada
Las Vegas city, NV: 583,756 (+105,322)
Henderson city, NV: 257,729 (+82,348)
Reno city, NV: 225,221 (+44,741)
North Las Vegas city, NV: 216,961 (+101,473)

New Hampshire
Manchester city, NH: 109,565 (+2,559)

New Jersey
Newark city, NJ: 277,140 (+3,594)
Jersey City city, NJ: 247,597 (+7,542)
Paterson city, NJ: 146,199 (-3,023)
Elizabeth city, NJ: 124,969 (+4,401)

New Mexico
Albuquerque city, NM: 545,852 (+97,247)

New York
New York city, NY: 8,175,133 (+166,855)
Buffalo city, NY: 261,310 (-31,338)
Rochester city, NY: 210,565 (-9,208)
Yonkers city, NY: 195,976 (-110)
Syracuse city, NY: 145,170 (-2,136)

North Carolina
Charlotte city, NC: 731,424 (+190,596)
Raleigh city, NC: 403,892 (+127,799)
Greensboro city, NC: 269,666 (+45,775)
Winston-Salem city, NC: 229,617 (+43,841)
Durham city, NC: 228,330 (+41,295)
Fayetteville city, NC: 200,564 (+79,549)
Cary town, NC: 135,234 (+40,698)
Wilmington city, NC: 106,476 (+30,638)
High Point city, NC: 104,371 (+18,532)

North Dakota
Fargo city, ND: 105,549 (+14,950)

Ohio
Columbus city, OH: 787,033 (+75,563)
Cleveland city, OH: 396,815 (-81,588)
Cincinnati city, OH: 296,943 (-34,342)
Toledo city, OH: 287,208 (-26,411)
Akron city, OH: 199,110 (-17,964)
Dayton city, OH: 141,527 (-24,652)

Oklahoma
Oklahoma City city, OK: 579,999 (+73,867)
Tulsa city, OK: 391,906 (-1,143)
Norman city, OK: 110,925 (+15,231)

Oregon
Portland city, OR: 583,776 (+54,655)
Eugene city, OR: 156,185 (+18,292)
Salem city, OR: 154,637 (+17,713)
Gresham city, OR: 105,594 (+15,389)

Pennsylvania
Philadelphia city, PA: 1,526,006 (+8,456)
Pittsburgh city, PA: 305,704 (-28,859)
Allentown city, PA: 118,032 (11,400)
Erie city, PA: 101,786 (-1,931)

Rhode Island
Providence city, RI: 178,042 (+4,424)

South Carolina
Columbia city, SC: 129,272 (+12,994)
Charleston city, SC: 120,083 (+23,433)

South Dakota
Sioux Falls city, SD: 153,888 (+29,913)

Tennessee
Memphis city, TN: 646,889 (-3,211)
Nashville city, TN: 626,681 (+56,790)
Knoxville city, TN: 178,874 (+4,984)
Chattanooga city, TN: 167,674 (+12,120)
Clarksville city, TN: 132,929 (+29,474)
Murfreesboro city, TN: 108,755 (+39,939)

Texas
Houston city, TX: 2,099,451 (+145,820)
San Antonio city, TX: 1,327,407 (+182,761)
Dallas city, TX: 1,197,816 (+9,236)
Austin city, TX: 790,390 (+133,828)
Fort Worth city, TX: 741,206 (+206,512)
El Paso city, TX: 649,121 (+85,459)
Arlington city, TX: 365,438 (+32,469)
Corpus Christi city, TX: 305,215 (+27,761)
Plano city, TX: 259,841 (+37,811)
Laredo city, TX: 236,091 (+59,515)
Lubbock city, TX: 229,573 (+30,009)
Garland city, TX: 226,876 (+11,108)
Irving city, TX: 216,290 (+24,675)
Amarillo city, TX: 190,695 (+17,068)
Grand Prairie city, TX: 175,396 (+47,969)
Brownsville city, TX: 175,023 (+35,301)
Pasadena city, TX: 149,043 (+7,369)
Mesquite city, TX: 139,824 (+15,301)
McKinney city, TX: 131,117 (+76,748)
McAllen city, TX: 129,877 (+23,463)
Killeen city, TX: 127,921 (+41,010)
Waco city, TX: 124,805 (+11,079)
Carrollton city, TX: 119,097 (+9,521)
Beaumont city, TX: 118,296 (+4,430)
Abilene city, TX: 117,063 (+1,133)
Frisco city, TX: 116,989 (+83,275)
Denton city, TX: 113,383 (+32,846)
Midland city, TX: 111,147 (+16,151)
Wichita Falls city, TX: 104,553 (+356)

Utah
Salt Lake City city, UT: 186,440 (+4,697)
West Valley City city, UT: 129,480 (+20,584)
Provo city, UT: 112,488 (+7,322)
West Jordan city, UT: 103,712 (+35,376)

Virginia
Virginia Beach city, VA: 437,994 (+12,737)
Norfolk city, VA: 242,803 (+8,400)
Chesapeake city, VA: 222,209 (+23,025)
Arlington CDP, VA: 207,627 (+18,174)
Richmond city, VA: 204,214 (+6,424)
Newport News city, VA: 180,719 (+569)
Alexandria city, VA: 139,966 (+11,683)
Hampton city, VA: 137,436 (-9,001)

Washington
Seattle city, WA: 608,660 (+45,286)
Spokane city, WA: 208,916 (+13,287)
Tacoma city, WA: 198,397 (+4,841)
Vancouver city, WA: 161,791 (+18,231)
Bellevue city, WA: 122,363 (+12,794)
Everett city, WA: 103,019 (+11,531)

Wisconsin
Milwaukee city, WI: 594,833 (-2,141)
Madison city, WI: 233,209 (+25,155)
Green Bay city, WI: 104,057 (+1,744)

mhays · #**1095** Posted **Mar 26, 2011, 12:39 AM**

Thanks for all the work!

ChiSoxRox · #**1096** Posted **Mar 26, 2011, 12:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by mhays

Thanks for all the work!

You're welcome.

bobdreamz · #**1097** Posted **Mar 26, 2011, 12:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by jcchii

I'm struck by the major moves by the North Carolina cities, if you look at the city proper list.

Charlotte more people than Boston, Seattle or Denver

Raleigh more than Miami, Cleveland or Indianapolis

not used to thinking in those terms

Well in all fairness the land area of Raleigh (142 sq. miles) is 4 times larger than Miami's 35 square miles yet it only has around 4000 more people than Miami.
Raleigh did post impressive growth numbers though.

As for miami's numbers I thought the last estimate had it well over 400,000!(Miami,FL: 399,457 (+36,987) These are a lot lower than anticipated but it did grow by over 10% since the last Census. I wonder how many residents who are foreigners didn't even bother to fill out the Census forms.

SnyderBock · #**1098** Posted **Mar 26, 2011, 4:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by MNMike

Whoever said 100 square miles is a small area for a city...it is not! That is actually a pretty large footprint for a mid sized city, average at best...that is the is basically the square mileage of Minneapolis and St. Paul combined(population 670,000 together).
I am pretty sure Denver has open land within it's city limits...some of which was turned into suburban style development over the past decade...along with the land that was left to fill when the airport moved. All of that Denver growth was not in the core of the city, so don't try to make it sound like that

I am sure an impressive enough amount of it was though, with all the nice new developments.

Actually, a quick look at google maps shows tons of new suburban style development along I 70 towards the airport, that is within Denver's city limits. This is the kind of situation(and what that other poster was talking about I think) that benefits these large(sq mileage) cities growth. Along with densifying the core of the city, they can count on these suburban type areas to grow and increase the population(and tax base of course).

Growth is harder to accomplish for these cities that have been totally developed for decades...any growth has to come from redevelopment and building density while keeping all of the neighborhoods stable at the same time. Some small land area cities have done well, like Miami or Boston, or even DC.

^Is that truly "suburban-style" development? because that's the master planned, New Urbanist Stapleton Airport redevelopment community. It is being built to be a modern, energy efficient, walkable urban community. This is the only significant development taking place in Denver City/County, other than urban infill. In a sense, this is the ultimate urban infill project, not suburban sprawl.

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Stapleton No. 1
03/25/2011 09:00:00 PM MDT
By John Rebchook
...Stapleton retained its ranking in 2010 as the top Denver-area master-planned community, according to a report released on Friday...

..John S. Lehigh, president of master developer Forest City Stapleton, Inc., attributed the success to the quality of life Stapleton has achieved through its commitment to sustainable development, a reputation recently highlighted when HGTV built its 2011 Green Home at Stapleton...

...The Quebec Square Retail Center is immediately north of 35th Avenue and the future Stapleton transit oriented development and an RTD FasTracks rail stop...

...The redevelopment of the 4,700 acre Stapleton International Airport commenced in May 2001. Forest City is the master developer selected by the City of Denver to implement a development plan created by the citizens of Aurora, Denver and Commerce City who envisioned the former airport could become a mixed use and pedestrian friendly urban neighborhood. Currently Stapleton has an estimated population of more than 12,000 residents who live in 3992 homes and 484 apartments. Stapleton also has more than 2 million square feet of new retail, approximately 500 acres of new parks and open space, and two Denver Public Schools elementary schools, with a third under construction for a scheduled opening in the Central Park West Neighborhood in August. Stapleton also is home to the Denver School of Science and Technology.

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pesto · #**1099** Posted **Mar 26, 2011, 5:33 PM**

Dralcoffin: add my thanks; an interesting and useful list.

It's a shame to see all the red in NY, Michigan and Ohio.

btw, as you note, East LA is still not a city but still growing in population. And you wonder if they really counted everyone who lives there.

spark317 · #**1100** Posted **Mar 26, 2011, 5:53 PM**

Great work!!!

I know Arlington VA CDP is over 100,000 and perhaps Metairie LA CDP as well.