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CoolCzech · #**12801** Posted **Mar 20, 2011, 1:43 AM**

The only thing marring my enjoyment of watching 1 WTC go up is that 2 and 3 WTC's are still not a firm "go."

Innsertnamehere · #**12802** Posted **Mar 20, 2011, 2:50 AM**

somehow i doubt that 3wtc will stop construction.. i think it will find a tenant before it finishes the retail levels. i don't know about 2wtc though, that might have to wait a bit longer.

jthornton17 · #**12803** Posted **Mar 20, 2011, 5:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

somehow i doubt that 3wtc will stop construction.. i think it will find a tenant before it finishes the retail levels. i don't know about 2wtc though, that might have to wait a bit longer.

Hi, I've noticed that several people have said that wtc 3 is more a sure thing than wtc 2. Does anyone know why this is the case?

Big Towers · #**12804** Posted **Mar 20, 2011, 1:14 PM**

It's because of the retail space, just as Innsertnamehere says.

Tower 2 has retail space, but not as much as the other towers. (Don't forget, Tower 1 has no retail space at all).

Not to mention the Transportation Hub's mega mall. Competition drives Tower 2's retail down into a more "office type" skyscraper.

hunser · #**12805** Posted **Mar 20, 2011, 7:57 PM**

Chris 1971

sw5710 · #**12806** Posted **Mar 20, 2011, 9:18 PM**

The steel nodes and steel construction are for floors 58,59 and the start of future floor 60. The top of the Steel is now 728'10''

QuarterMileSidewalk · #**12807** Posted **Mar 21, 2011, 5:39 AM**

Now that is an awesome photo.

STR · #**12808** Posted **Mar 21, 2011, 6:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by Big Towers

It's because of the retail space, just as Innsertnamehere says.

Tower 2 has retail space, but not as much as the other towers. (Don't forget, Tower 1 has no retail space at all).

That is incorrect. Tower 2 will have more above-grade retail than any other building in the complex. It will, in fact, have almost 1/4 of the entire retail space in the whole WTC.

Tower 2: 103,190sqft on 4 levels
Tower 3: 65,900 on 3 levels
Tower 4: 78,650 on 4 levels
Concourse: 212,179 on 2 levels
Total:459,919 sqft
SOURCE

The real reason why Tower 3 has a greater chance of building to the top without stopping is because the Port Authority and the City of New York have pledge to pay for almost 1/2 of the above ground costs if Silverstein can lease 400,000 sqft of the building's 2.4M sqft of office space. Tower 2 will have to be funded entirely by Silverstein, like any other private development.

The Port Authority is financing all work on site up to street level. They are reimbursing Silverstein Properties for the construction work up to now, and will do so until the buildings reach grade at the end of this year, early next year.

jthornton17 · #**12809** Posted **Mar 21, 2011, 6:57 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by STR

That is incorrect. Tower 2 will have more above-grade retail than any other building in the complex. It will, in fact, have almost 1/4 of the entire retail space in the whole WTC.

Tower 2: 103,190sqft on 4 levels
Tower 3: 65,900 on 3 levels
Tower 4: 78,650 on 4 levels
Concourse: 212,179 on 2 levels
Total:459,919 sqft
SOURCE

The real reason why Tower 3 has a greater chance of building to the top without stopping is because the Port Authority and the City of New York have pledge to pay for almost 1/2 of the above ground costs if Silverstein can lease 400,000 sqft of the building's 2.4M sqft of office space. Tower 2 will have to be funded entirely by Silverstein, like any other private development.

The Port Authority is financing all work on site up to street level. They are reimbursing Silverstein Properties for the construction work up to now, and will do so until the buildings reach grade at the end of this year, early next year.

Thanks STR. So it's a very good chance we see wtc 1,3, and 4 but never a wtc 2 built. Or not built like the plans for it. I wonder if you could do a picture of how this might look, without a wtc 2 in the picture?

aquablue · #**12810** Posted **Mar 21, 2011, 7:09 AM**

It would be massive disgusting shame for NY and the US if the WTC was never rebuilt fully as planned. That's all I'll say about that. It would be a symbol of national failure in the eyes of the world.

I'll just say that without tower 2, the complex looks very incomplete. Tower 1 really needs a buddy. Tower 3 is a very unassuming tower and doesn't impose its weight. The complex needs the bold sharp lines of tower 2's crown to stand out against the quiet boxy tops of 1, 3, 4. I really think tower 2 is what 'makes' the whole complex, it is the glue.

Don098 · #**12811** Posted **Mar 21, 2011, 4:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by jthornton17

Thanks STR. So it's a very good chance we see wtc 1,3, and 4 but never a wtc 2 built. Or not built like the plans for it. I wonder if you could do a picture of how this might look, without a wtc 2 in the picture?

How did you get that WTC2 will never get built out of STR's post? He didn't say anything even remotely close to it. What he said is exactly what I told you via personal message, that all buildings will be built to street level, and that tower 3 would likely keep going.

NYGuy just posted this video in the 30 Park Place thread, and after reading this last conversation, I think it needs to be posted here as well.

http://therealdeal.com/newyork/articles/...29&utm_medium=feed&utm_source=feedburner
The return of skyscraping starchitecture?

March 18, 2011

• Video Link

Don098 · #**12812** Posted **Mar 21, 2011, 4:03 PM**

Zen, STR, or NYGuy...I think this was discussed a long time ago in passing, but it hasn't been revisited in some time. Are there any concrete plans for 1WTC's nighttime lighting scheme? Since most of the top 200 feet or so are going to be mechanical space without interior floor lighting to shine through, may we see a scheme that somewhat resembles that of the Empire State Building?

HardBall · #**12813** Posted **Mar 21, 2011, 6:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by aquablue

It would be massive disgusting shame for NY and the US if the WTC was never rebuilt fully as planned. That's all I'll say about that. It would be a symbol of national failure in the eyes of the world.

I'll just say that without tower 2, the complex looks very incomplete. Tower 1 really needs a buddy. Tower 3 is a very unassuming tower and doesn't impose its weight. The complex needs the bold sharp lines of tower 2's crown to stand out against the quiet boxy tops of 1, 3, 4. I really think tower 2 is what 'makes' the whole complex, it is the glue.

Wow, so WTC2 is not going to be built for the foreseeable future? That's terrible news, it's been almost 10 years in waiting and now we find out this news?

Obey · #**12814** Posted **Mar 21, 2011, 6:56 PM**

^^^ Its not news...

STR · #**12815** Posted **Mar 21, 2011, 7:02 PM**

Tower 2 will be built for the sole reason that there are no other buildings in the city that have the zoning rights to be as big as 2WTC (only 1WTC and 55 Water St. will be bigger and they're both largely occupied now). Large blocks of space are very rare in manhattan right now. There just might be a hiatus as the market heats up even further and banks ease up.

Thaniel · #**12816** Posted **Mar 21, 2011, 9:37 PM**

Long time reader first time poster to this thread. Have loved all the renderings you guys have made on here.

Amazing to see how tall it's getting just from last March when I started coming here and tracking the progress, the last few times I went to New York it was just a giant hole in the ground. I was more impressed more with the speedy rise of the Beekman Tower and the Goldman Sachs Building between my trips there than anything else. lol

Also, might be wrong thread to post this in, but does anyone know why they're not adding an observatory to 2WTC? It has that little triangle corner at the very tip top that appears to be nothing else, seems like a perfect spot for an observation deck!

Roadcruiser1 · #**12817** Posted **Mar 21, 2011, 9:38 PM**

There is mechanical equipment up there. Sorry, but there is no room for any open air observation decks anywhere.

Space Cowboy · #**12818** Posted **Mar 21, 2011, 10:17 PM**

10 floors of glass up now according to discovery cam

Zapatan · #**12819** Posted **Mar 22, 2011, 12:01 AM**

People need to stop worrying about whether 2 & 3 will go up, they are going to be built, within the next decade and probably much sooner.

xnyr · #**12820** Posted **Mar 22, 2011, 12:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by Don098

Are there any concrete plans for 1WTC's nighttime lighting scheme?

Mast lighting scheme from SOM site

"When lit at night, the mast’s surface will appear as a faceted surface, while a beacon at the top will send out a horizontal (?) light beam that can be seen from miles away."

Although the text specifies a horizontal beacon, I think the rendering (also from the SOM site) is more accurate.

Horizontal beacons were tried at the ESB in the '50s eliciting complaints from astronomers and the Audubon Society and had to be turned off during migratory seasons.