The US Census Bureau thread - Page 36

ColDayMan · #**701** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 9:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by lawfin

Its 2010 not 2000.

BY metro Pittsburgh has around 3% immigrant pop. That is demonstrably lower than several metros in the midwest. Source: 2009 ACS survey via Brookings Institute.

Chicago for instance is roughly 6 times that rate. Minny and Detroit are both 3 times that rate. Milwaukee is twice that rate. Grand Rapids is more than twice that rate. Columbus is more than twice that rate. Indy is roughly twice that rate.

Now if you are considering Youngstown, Cincy Toldeo and Dayton as major cities then I would agree with the original statement. But I would disagree with the underlying premise that these cities are in any way major again other than to those who live near them.

Say what? Cincinnati and Youngstown...same...level? Let's get something perfectly clear:

Cincinnati is a major American city.
Columbus is a major American city.
Minneapolis is a major American city.
Pittsburgh is a major American city.
Milwaukee is a major American city.
Indianapolis is a major American city.

Dayton, Grand Rapids, and Toledo are regional centers.

Detroit and Chicago are global cities. That doesn't negate the other cities for being "major," which they are.

alex1 · #**702** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 9:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ch.G, Ch.G

Good news for Connecticut cities, many of which were estimated to have lost population from 2000. In New Haven, there was an aggressive push by Yale to have students counted as residents. The university knows its fate is somewhat tied to the perception of the city, and that the city gets more funding if the population grows. (The administration said as much in the emails they sent to the student body reminding everyone of the importance of filling out the census forms.) New Haven grew by 5%-- a little under 6,000 people-- so I can't help but think that played a role. (Yale has about 5,200 undergrads and 11,500 students in total.)

I'm glad N.H. gained people. I had a decent time living in that sh**hole of a city. I actually miss it a little (mainly because of the easy access to New England and the mountains to the north).

As far as Yale is concerned, the school was aggressively giving out big money to employees/faculty to settle in the neighborhoods surrounding the school. It's helped ground more employees who have traditionally rented and gotten out at the first chance given.

The other thing that has helped N.H. is their strong push to promote the region's transit links. It's somewhat easy to get to nYc for example. Personally, I'd not sit on a train for 2 hours each way on a daily basis, but some people do it.

lawfin · #**703** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 10:25 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColDayMan

Say what? Cincinnati and Youngstown...same...level? Let's get something perfectly clear:

Cincinnati is a major American city.
Columbus is a major American city.
Minneapolis is a major American city.
Pittsburgh is a major American city.
Milwaukee is a major American city.
Indianapolis is a major American city.

Dayton, Grand Rapids, and Toledo are regional centers.

Detroit and Chicago are global cities. That doesn't negate the other cities for being "major," which they are.

Lets get something even more perfectly clear.....says you!

I did not say Cincy and Youngstown were on the same level.....however that gets to my point that including all these smaller cities....ie Cincy and Cleveland for example as major is extraordinarily imprecise.

Funny you classify Chicago and detroit with the same language.......Cincy has a lot more in common with Youngstown than Chicago does with Detroit.....they are not in the same league or even the same sport. Maybe in 1950 they were close but not anymore.

By what metric are the above major cities?

The only one in top 10 in population is Chicago, Detroit doesn't break into top 10 even via metro population. Minny I think breaks top 20 and St Louis might barely.

GDP numbers once again the only one in top 10 is Chicago. Minny is in top 20 as I believe Detroit still is as well. St Louis is on the cusp.

Airport traffic .....Chicago once again only one in top 10 domestically...only Minny and Detroit break top 20...the only other midwest airport in top 30 is ...you guessed it in Chicago (Midway)...which is nearly 50% more busy than St Louis...and about 60% as busy as Detroit

Claiming detroit is a global city is quite laughable....by what metric exactly?

Like I said the cities with the strongest claim to major city status in the midwest other than Chicago are Detroit and Minny but they are just barely there.

Many cities in the midwest used to be very major cities.....see Detroit, Cleveland....but status is not stagnant just because you were major in 1950 does not make it so in 2010; just as just because you live near or in one of these regional cities does not make it major other to those in its immediate captive market.

We disagree on what 'major city' means.....I have a higher threshold

JivecitySTL · #**704** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 10:58 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawfin

Lets get something even more perfectly clear.....says you!

I did not say Cincy and Youngstown were on the same level.....however that gets to my point that including all these smaller cities....ie Cincy and Cleveland for example as major is extraordinarily imprecise.

Funny you classify Chicago and detroit with the same language.......Cincy has a lot more in common with Youngstown than Chicago does with Detroit.....they are not in the same league or even the same sport. Maybe in 1950 they were close but not anymore.

By what metric are the above major cities?

The only one in top 10 in population is Chicago, Detroit doesn't break into top 10 even via metro population. Minny I think breaks top 20 and St Louis might barely.

GDP numbers once again the only one in top 10 is Chicago. Minny is in top 20 as I believe Detroit still is as well. St Louis is on the cusp.

Airport traffic .....Chicago once again only one in top 10 domestically...only Minny and Detroit break top 20...the only other midwest airport in top 30 is ...you guessed it in Chicago (Midway)...which is nearly 50% more busy than St Louis...and about 60% as busy as Detroit

Claiming detroit is a global city is quite laughable....by what metric exactly?

Like I said the cities with the strongest claim to major city status in the midwest other than Chicago are Detroit and Minny but they are just barely there.

Many cities in the midwest used to be very major cities.....see Detroit, Cleveland....but status is not stagnant just because you were major in 1950 does not make it so in 2010; just as just because you live near or in one of these regional cities does not make it major other to those in its immediate captive market.

We disagree on what 'major city' means.....I have a higher threshold

I define "major cities" by those that can support multiple major league sports teams. To rank among the top 20 metro areas most definitely qualifies for major city status. Once a place reaches 2 million people, you pretty much have everything you'd expect from a big city. Think about it-- there are about 400 or so designated metropolitan areas in the United States. Any city that ranks among the top 20 or 30 can easily be considered major. btw, St. Louis ranks #18.

hudkina · #**705** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 11:03 PM**

If western Pennsylvania and New York seceded to form the state of "Erie", it would most definitely be included with the Midwest, or more appropriately the Great Lakes subregion. All of the major cities in the Northeast were founded primarily in the 1600's and became major ports and manufacturing centers by the early 1700's. Pittsburgh wasn't even founded until 1754, and only as a strategic fort to protect French interests in the Great Lakes region. It didn't even achieve a population of 5,000 until about 1811. That is more in line with the midwestern cities. Most were founded in the latter half of the 18th century, attaining populations of 5,000 by the first half of the 19th century. Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Charleston, etc. all had 5,000+ residents at or near the turn of the 18th century, around 100 years before Pittsburgh.

Also, I never understood what "Midwestern" meant to people. Is it the flat industrialized plains along the southern shores of the Great Lakes? Is it the hilly/mountainous wilderness in Southeast Ohio, southwest Missouri, or the western Dakotas? Is it the cornfields of Iowa, Illinois, and Indiana? Is it the picturesque shorelines of the Upper Great Lakes? Sure Pittsburgh isn't that similar to Cleveland, but a lot of Midwestern cities aren't that similar. Omaha is very different from Cincinnati. Fargo is very different from Evansville. Duluth is very different from Indianapolis.

Pittsburgh is obviously in the Northeast, but it definitely grew up alongside the Midwestern cities.

ChiSoxRox · #**706** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 11:48 PM**

Adding Arizona, Wisconsin (Milwaukee, Madison, Green Bay), Idaho (Boise)

Los Angeles city, CA: 3,792,621 (+97,801)
Chicago city, IL: 2,695,598 (-200,418)
Houston city, TX: 2,099,451 (+145,820)
Philadelphia city, PA: 1,526,006 (+8,456)
Phoenix city, AZ: 1,445,632 (+124,587)
San Antonio city, TX: 1,327,407 (+182,761)
San Diego city, CA: 1,307,402 (+84,002)
Dallas city, TX: 1,197,816 (+9,236)
San Jose city, CA: 945,942 (+50,999)
Indianapolis city, IN: 829,718 (+37,792)
San Francisco city, CA: 805,235 (+28,502)
Austin city, TX: 790,390 (+133,828)
Columbus city, OH: 787,033 (+75,563)
Fort Worth city, TX: 741,206 (+206,512)
Charlotte city, NC: 731,424 (+190,596)
El Paso city, TX: 649,121 (+85,459)
Baltimore city, MD: 620,961 (-30,193)
Seattle city, WA: 608,660 (+45,286)
Washington D.C.: 601,723 (+29,664)
Denver city, CO: 600,158 (+45,522)
Milwaukee city, WI: 594,833 (-2,141)
Portland city, OR: 583,776 (+54,655)
Las Vegas city, NV: 583,756 (+105,322)
Oklahoma City city, OK: 579,999 (+73,867)
Tucson city, AZ: 520,116 (+33,417)
Fresno city, CA: 494,665 (+67,013)
Sacramento city, CA: 466,488 (+59,470)
Long Beach city, CA: 462,257 (+735)
Kansas City city, MO: 459,787 (+18,242)
Mesa city, AZ: 439,041 (+42,666)
Virginia Beach city, VA: 437,994 (+12,737)
Colorado Springs city, CO: 416,427 (+55,537)
Omaha city, NE: 408,958 (+18,951)
Raleigh city, NC: 403,892 (+127,799)
Cleveland city, OH: 396,815 (-81,588)
Tulsa city, OK: 391,906 (-1,143)
Oakland city, CA: 390,724 (-8,760)
Honolulu CDP (incl. East Honolulu) 387,170 (+15,513)
Wichita city, KS: 382,368 (+38,084)
Arlington city, TX: 365,438 (+32,469)
Bakersfield city, CA: 347,483 (+100,426)
New Orleans city, LA: 343,829 (-140,845)
Anaheim city, CA: 336,265 (+8,251)
Aurora city, CO: 325,078 (+48,685)
Santa Ana city, CA: 324,528 (-13,449)
St. Louis city, MO: 319,294 (-28,895)
Pittsburgh city, PA: 305,704 (-28,859)
Corpus Christi city, TX: 305,215 (+27,761)
Riverside city, CA: 303,871 (+48,705)
Cincinnati city, OH: 296,943 (-34,342)
Stockton city, CA: 291,707 (+47,936)
Toledo city, OH: 287,208 (-26,411)
Newark city, NJ: 277,140 (+3,594)
Greensboro city, NC: 269,666 (+45,775)
Plano city, TX: 259,841 (+37,811)
Lincoln city, NE: 258,379 (+32,798)
Henderson city, NV: 257,729 (+82,348)
Fort Wayne city, IN: 253,691 (+47,964)
Jersey City city, NJ: 247,597 (+7,542)
Chula Vista city, CA: 243,916 (+70,360)
Norfolk city, VA: 242,803 (+8,400)
Chandler city, AZ: 236,123 (+59,542)
Laredo city, TX: 236,091 (+59,515)
Madison city, WI: 233,209 (+25,155)
Winston-Salem city, NC: 229,617 (+43,841)
Lubbock city, TX: 229,573 (+30,009)
Baton Rouge city, LA: 229,493 (+1,675)
Durham city, NC: 228,330 (+41,295)
Garland city, TX: 226,876 (+11,108)
Glendale city, AZ: 226,721 (+7,909)
Reno city, NV: 225,221 (+44,741)
Chesapeake city, VA: 222,209 (+23,025)
Scottsdale city, AZ: 217,385 (+14,680)
North Las Vegas city, NV: 216,961 (+101,473)
Irving city, TX: 216,290 (+24,675)
Fremont city, CA: 214,089 (+10,676)
Irvine city, CA: 212,375 (+69,303)
Birmingham city, AL: 212,237 (-30,583)
San Bernardino city, CA: 209,924 (+24,523)
Spokane city, WA: 208,916 (+13,287)
Gilbert city, AZ: 208,453 (+98,756)
Montgomery city, AL: 205,764 (+4,196)
Boise city, ID: 205,671 (+19,884)
Richmond city, VA: 204,214 (+6,424)
Des Moines city, IA: 203,433 (+4,751)
Modesto city, CA: 201,165 (+12,309)
Fayetteville city, NC: 200,564 (+79,549)
Shreveport city, LA: 199,311 (-834)
Akron city, OH: 199,110 (-17,964)
Tacoma city, WA: 198,397 (+4,841)
Aurora city, IL: 197,899 (+54,909)
Oxnard city, CA: 197,899 (+27,541)
Fontana city, CA: 196,069 (+67,140)
Mobile city, AL: 195,111 (-3,804)
Little Rock city, AR: 193,524 (+10,391)
Moreno Valley city, CA: 193,365 (+50,984)
Glendale city, CA: 191,719 (-3,254)
Amarillo city, TX: 190,695 (+17,068)
Huntington Beach city, CA: 189,992 (+398)
Salt Lake City city, UT: 186,440 (+4,697)
Newport News city, VA: 180,719 (+569)
Huntsville city, AL: 180,105 (+21,889)
Santa Clarita city, CA: 176,320 (+25,232)
Grand Prairie city, TX: 175,396 (+47,969)
Brownsville city, TX: 175,023 (+35,301)
Jackson city, MS: 173,514 (-10,742)
Overland Park city, KS: 173,372 (+24,292)
Garden Grove city, CA: 170,883 (+5,687)
Santa Rosa city, CA: 167,815 (+20,220)
Oceanside city, CA: 167,086 (+6,057)
Rancho Cucamonga city, CA: 165,269 (+37,526)
Ontario city, CA: 163,924 (+5,917)
Vancouver city, WA: 161,791 (+18,231)
Tempe city, AZ: 161,719 (+3,094)
Springfield city, MO: 159,498 (+7,918)
Lancaster city, CA: 156,633 (+37,915)
Eugene city, OR: 156,185 (+18,292)
Salem city, OR: 154,637 (+17,713)
Peoria city, AZ: 154,065 (+45,701)
Sioux Falls city, SD: 153,888 (+29,913)
Elk Grove city, CA: 153,015 (+93,031)
Rockford city, IL: 152,871 (+2,756)
Palmdale city, CA: 152,750 (+36,080)
Corona city, CA: 152,374 (+27,378)
Salinas city, CA: 150,441 (-619)
Pomona city, CA: 149,058 (-415)
Pasadena city, TX: 149,043 (+7,369)
Joliet city, IL: 147,433 (+41,212)
Paterson city, NJ: 146,199 (-3,023)
Kansas City city, KS: 145,786 (-1,080)
Torrance city, CA: 145,438 (+7,492)
Bridgeport city, CT: 144,229 (+4,700)
Hayward city, CA: 144,186 (+4,156)
Fort Collins city, CO: 143,986 (+25,334)
Escondido city, CA: 143,911 (+10,352)
Lakewood city, CO: 142,980 (-1,146)
Naperville city, IL: 141,853 (+13,495)
Dayton city, OH: 141,527 (-24,652)
Sunnyvale city, CA: 140,081 (+8,321)
Alexandria city, VA: 139,966 (+11,683)
Mesquite city, TX: 139,824 (+15,301)
Hampton city, VA: 137,436 (-9,001)
Pasadena city, CA: 137,122 (+3,186)
Orange city, CA: 136,416 (+7,595)
Cary town, NC: 135,234 (+40,698)
Fullerton city, CA: 135,161 (+9,158)
McKinney city, TX: 131,117 (+76,748)
McAllen city, TX: 129,877 (+23,463)
New Haven city, CT: 129,779 (+6,153)
West Valley City city, UT: 129,480 (+20,584)
Killeen city, TX: 127,921 (+41,010)
Topeka city, KS: 127,473 (+5,096)
Thousand Oaks city, CA: 126,683 (+9,678)
East Los Angeles CDP, CA: 126,496 (+2,213)
Cedar Rapids city, IA: 126,326 (+5,568)
Olathe city, KS: 125,872 (+32,910)
Elizabeth city, NJ: 124,969 (+4,401)
Waco city, TX: 124,805 (+11,079)
Hartford city, CT: 124,775 (+3,197)
Visalia city, CA: 124,442 (+32,877)
Simi Valley city, CA: 124,237 (+12,886)
Stamford city, CT: 122,643 (+5,560)
Bellevue city, WA: 122,363 (+12,794)
Concord city, CA: 122,067 (+287)
Lafayette city, LA: 120,623 (+10,366)
Carrollton city, TX: 119,097 (+9,521)
Roseville city, CA: 118,788 (+38,867)
Thornton city, CO: 118,772 (+36,388)
Beaumont city, TX: 118,296 (+4,430)
Allentown city, PA: 118,032 (11,400)
Surprise city, AZ: 117,517 (+86,669)
Evansville city, IN: 117,429 (-4,153)
Abilene city, TX: 117,063 (+1,133)
Frisco city, TX: 116,989 (+83,275)
Independence city, MO: 116,830 (+3,542)
Santa Clara city, CA: 116,468 (+14,107)
Springfield city, IL: 116,250 (+4,796)
Vallejo city, CA: 115,942 (-818)
Victorville city, CA: 115,903 (+51,873)
Peoria city, IL: 115,007 (+2,071)
El Monte city, CA: 113,475 (-2,490)
Denton city, TX: 113,383 (+32,846)
Berkeley city, CA: 112,580 (+9,758)
Provo city, UT: 112,488 (+7,322)
Downey city, CA: 111,772 (+4,449)
Midland city, TX: 111,147 (+16,151)
Norman city, OK: 110,925 (+15,231)
Waterbury city, CT: 110,366 (+3,095)
Costa Mesa city, CA: 109,960 (+1,236)
Inglewood city, CA: 109,673 (-2,907)
Columbia city, MO: 108,500 (+23,969)
Elgin city, IL: 108,188 (+13,701)
Pueblo city, CO: 106,595 (+4,474)
Wilmington city, NC: 106,476 (+30,638)
Arvada city, CO: 106,433 (+4,280)
Ventura city, CA: 106,433 (+5,517)
Westminster city, CO: 106,114 (+5,174)
West Covina city, CA: 106,098 (+1,018)
Gresham city, OR: 105,594 (+15,389)
Norwalk city, CA: 105,549 (+2,251)
Carlsbad city, CA: 105,328 (+27,081)
Fairfield city, CA: 105,321 (+9,143)
Wichita Falls city, TX: 104,553 (+356)
High Point city, NC: 104,371 (+18,532)
Green Bay city, WI: 104,057 (+1,744)
West Jordan city, UT: 103,712 (+35,376)
Richmond city, CA: 103,701 (+4,485)
Murrieta city, CA: 103,466 (+59,184)
Burbank city, CA: 103,340 (+3,024)
Everett city, WA: 103,019 (+11,531)
Antioch city, CA: 102,372 (+11,840)
Erie city, PA: 101,786 (-1,931)
South Bend city, IN: 101,168 (-6,621)
Daly City city, CA: 101,123 (-2,498)
Centennial city, CO: 100,377 (n/a)
Temecula city, CA: 100,097 (+42,381)

ChiSoxRox · #**707** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 11:50 PM**

Next week, we get nine states: Alaska, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Minnesota, Montana, New Mexico, North Dakota and Tennessee

Where's Michigan and New York?!!

KevinFromTexas · #**708** Posted **Mar 11, 2011, 12:28 AM**

Thanks for putting that list together, Dralcoffin. Has anyone thought of doing a metro list yet?

Crawford · #**709** Posted **Mar 11, 2011, 12:28 AM**

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Originally Posted by CentralGrad258

These stereotypes are at least 10 years out of date.

No, the stereotypes are quite obviously true, and confirmed by Census data.

Are you seriously arguing that Philly receives comparable levels of immigration as NYC, Boston, or DC? Are you seriously arguing that gentrification is comparable?

The Philly MSA is comparable to the Detroit MSA, in terms of proportional levels of immigration and annual naturalizations. That's why Philly's growth is extremely impressive. It grew despite lacking the primary driver of U.S. urban growth.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CentralGrad258

Our growth came from strong influx of latinos and asians.

Well, yeah; and how does that contradict what I wrote? You do realize that most Latinos and Asians aren't immigrants, right?

And, in the Northeast, our biggest Latino or Asian ethnic group is 100% non-immigrant (I'll let you guess).

wwmiv · #**710** Posted **Mar 11, 2011, 12:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by ColDayMan

Cincinnati is a major American city.
Columbus is a major American city.
Minneapolis is a major American city.
Pittsburgh is a major American city.
Milwaukee is a major American city.
Indianapolis is a major American city.

Detroit and Chicago are global cities. That doesn't negate the other cities for being "major," which they are.

I'd like to submit one change here: The Globalization and World Cities Research Network considers Minneapolis a Gamma+ world city, while Detroit is only Gamma-. Columbus is also Gamma-.

wwmiv · #**711** Posted **Mar 11, 2011, 12:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

Thanks for putting that list together, Dralcoffin. Has anyone thought of doing a metro list yet?

I'm working on that. I'll post it in a second.

wwmiv · #**712** Posted **Mar 11, 2011, 12:40 AM**

Los Angeles 12 828 837 +
Chicago 9 461 105 +
Dallas/FW 6 371 773 +
Philadelphia 5 965 343 +
Houston 5 946 820 +
San Francisco 4 335 391 +
Riverside 4 224 851 +
Phoenix 4 192 887 +
Seattle 3 439 809 +
San Diego 3 095 313 +
St. Louis 2 754 717 +
Baltimore 2 710 489 +
Denver 2 543 482 +
Pittsburgh 2 356 285 -
Portland 2 226 009 +
Sacramento 2 149 127 +
San Antonio 2 136 508 +
Cleveland 2 077 240 -
Kansas City 2 035 334 +
Las Vegas 1 951 269 +
San Jose 1 836 911 +
Columbus 1 836 536 +
Indianapolis 1 765 241 +
Austin 1 716 289 +
Hampton Roads: 1 671 683 +
Milwaukee 1 555 908 +
Richmond 1 258 251 +
Oklahoma City 1 252 987 +
Hartford 1 212 381 +
New Orleans 1 167 764 -
Raleigh 1 130 490 +
Birmingham 1 128 047 +
Salt Lake City 1 124 197 +

Interestingly, Tucson did not hit 1 million. Wasn't it estimated at over 1 million beginning in 2007 or 8?

Crawford · #**713** Posted **Mar 11, 2011, 12:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by lawfin

Claiming detroit is a global city is quite laughable....by what metric exactly?

How about it has one of the world's largest economies?

It's a top-10 or (at absolute worst) top-15 metro in the U.S. in terms of population and economy.

It's also quite obviously the world's automotive center.

Now if your list of global cities is limited to the dozen or so global megacities, then obviously Detroit is nowhere close. But if you're talking 40 or 50 cities globally, then Detroit easily makes the list.

Crawford · #**714** Posted **Mar 11, 2011, 12:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by hudkina

If western Pennsylvania and New York seceded to form the state of "Erie", it would most definitely be included with the Midwest, or more appropriately the Great Lakes subregion.

To me, Pittsburgh and Buffalo feel Midwest, or at least Great Lakes.

I can't tell the difference between a Buffalo accent and a Detroit accent. Western Michigan sounds different, with the more nasaly Wisconsin sound. But Eastern Michigan, far Western NY State, Northern Ohio, and Erie, PA all sound the same.

Pittsburgh has a unique Appalachian-accent, but the people seem closer to the Midwest (or really the Great Lakes region) than to the Northeast.

wwmiv · #**715** Posted **Mar 11, 2011, 12:58 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawfin

Claiming detroit is a global city is quite laughable....by what metric exactly?

Firstly, learn the difference between a city and a metropolitan area.

Secondly, the Globalization and World Cities Research Network considers these American cities (read this as metropolitan areas) as global:

Alpha ++: New York City
Alpha: Chicago
Alpha -: Los Angeles
Beta +: Washington, San Francisco, Atlanta
Beta: Dallas, Boston
Beta -: Miami, Houston
Gamma +: Denver, Minneapolis, Seattle
Gamma: Philadelphia, Portland
Gamma -: Detroit, San Diego, Columbus

They also put out a list of cities that are on the cusp of being global:
High Sufficiency: Phoenix, Cleveland, Tampa, Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Orlando, Charlotte, Indianapolis, Baltimore, St. Louis
Sufficiency: Sacramento, Milwaukee, San Jose, Richmond, Las Vegas, Memphis, Hartford, Nashville, Honolulu, Omaha, Raleigh, Salt Lake City, Austin, Birmingham, Cincinnati, New Orleans

Something I've always considered odd is that they perennially leave San Antonio off the list even though it is a major tourist hub.

ChiSoxRox · #**716** Posted **Mar 11, 2011, 1:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

Thanks for putting that list together, Dralcoffin. Has anyone thought of doing a metro list yet?

Thanks, but I want to point out Urbanguy put the first bit of the list together.

I personally far prefer metro populations to the population inside some arbitrarily drawn city line, but I don't have the time to track down each county for the MSAs (and the new FactFinder would drive me daft).

So thanks, wwmiv!

wwmiv · #**717** Posted **Mar 11, 2011, 1:10 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dralcoffin

Thanks, but I want to point out Urbanguy put the first bit of the list together.

I personally far prefer metro populations to the population inside some arbitrarily drawn city line, but I don't have the time to track down each county for the MSAs (and the new FactFinder would drive me daft).

So thanks, wwmiv!

I've been adding up the numbers since they started releasing states, so it was simply a matter of copy and paste.

Next week we will have these added:

Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Nashville, Minneapolis, Miami, Orlando, Jacksonville, Atlanta, Tampa, and Albuquerque.

ChiSoxRox · #**718** Posted **Mar 11, 2011, 1:12 AM**

So after next week, the remaining states will be Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, New York, Rhode Island, and South Carolina.

wwmiv · #**719** Posted **Mar 11, 2011, 1:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by Dralcoffin

So after next week, the remaining states will be Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, New York, Rhode Island, and South Carolina.

Connecticut has already been released...

hudkina · #**720** Posted **Mar 11, 2011, 1:14 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwmiv

Firstly, learn the difference between a city and a metropolitan area.

Secondly, the Globalization and World Cities Research Network considers these American cities (read this as metropolitan areas) as global:

Alpha ++: New York City
Alpha: Chicago
Alpha -: Los Angeles
Beta +: Washington, San Francisco, Atlanta
Beta: Dallas, Boston
Beta -: Miami, Houston
Gamma +: Denver, Minneapolis, Seattle
Gamma: Philadelphia, Portland
Gamma -: Detroit, San Diego, Columbus

They also put out a list of cities that are on the cusp of being global:
High Sufficiency: Phoenix, Cleveland, Tampa, Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Orlando, Charlotte, Indianapolis, Baltimore, St. Louis
Sufficiency: Sacramento, Milwaukee, San Jose, Richmond, Las Vegas, Memphis, Hartford, Nashville, Honolulu, Omaha, Raleigh, Salt Lake City, Austin, Birmingham, Cincinnati, New Orleans

Something I've always considered odd is that they perennially leave San Antonio off the list even though it is a major tourist hub.

Because that list isn't based on anything except a handful of London-centric companies in a few service-based industries (banking, advertising, finance, etc.) Things like tourism, manufacturing, etc. are completely irrelevent. Also, it helps a city being more remote. The reason Detroit and Philadelphia rank below Minneapolis and Denver is because Detroit is close to Chicago, Philadelphia is close to New York, and Minneapolis and Denver are in the middle of nowhere.