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Old Posted Mar 7, 2011, 4:56 AM
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I went to the news conference for the presentation and it was pretty impressive. I talked to Victor Dover and have plenty of info to share over the next few days. He was pretty excited with this particular charrette the most, even though he's been to several here already.


I took these with my camera.






The urban farm windmill in this pic is up and running as of last week.




Dover suggested that the area at the corner of Maxwell Blvd. and Holt Street (the large building on the right in the pic below) should be the perfect spot for the city's next signature building because of its prominence; its proximity and view from the interstate, the view of the river (one of the South's best), and it's location between Maxwell and downtown. He said be it a hotel, highrise luxury condos, or a corporate HQ building, the city should market that corner to someone whose building can make a statement.


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I went to the news conference for the presentation and it was pretty impressive. I talked to Victor Dover and have plenty of info to share over the next few days. He was pretty excited with this particular charrette the most, even though he's been to several here already.
The potential for redevelopment here is amazing, almost beyond belief. Keep it coming, bystander1!
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2011, 5:28 AM
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The potential for redevelopment here is amazing, almost beyond belief. Keep it coming, bystander1!
Okay! Check this out.

Victor Dover said they are going to go back and modify the plans to make sure the bike lanes are not only along Maxwell Blvd. but throughout the buck of the new neighborhood because there is a great demand from commanders and officers at Maxwell for those kind of amenities.
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The Farmers market on Fairview will be staying open thanks to the ASU business program and the Montgomery Police Department.

Click here to read the AL.com article.
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Fresh Market to move to new location

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/arti...360/Fresh-Market-to-move-to-new-location

The Fresh Market in Montgomery plans to move from its current site on East Boulevard to a former Bruno's location on Perry Hill Road.

A corporate spokesperson said Tuesday that she couldn't comment on the pending move, but a "coming soon" sign went up at the new location Tuesday.

The Fresh Market's current location contains a little more than 19,000 square feet.

James Basler, the manager of the store, said Tuesday afternoon he hadn't heard the move was a done deal, but the former Bruno's site would give the store more room and a chance to redesign itself.

"I think it's a better location," he said.

Montgomery Mayor Todd Strange confirmed the move Tuesday afternoon, but said he didn't know what would become of the current Fresh Market space.

"I do not know what the backfill plan is for that site," he said.

He said the new location will be convenient for a lot of Montgomerians.
"It's good for Fresh Market," he said.

Fresh Market had been at its current site since it opened in Montgomery on Jan. 23, 2004.

The closing of Bruno's on Perry Hill Road was announced on May 1, 2009.

For more information on The Fresh Market, visit www.thefreshmarket.com.
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That's a great-looking rendering for a great project. Hopefully the housing board won't drop the ball with this.
Where are the rec facilities (ball fields, courts etc) to keep the kids occupied? What about a small branch library?
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Where are the rec facilities (ball fields, courts etc) to keep the kids occupied? What about a small branch library?
Kids should stay inside all day playing video games and breaking stuff like we did back in my day. Also Lagoon Park fields arent too far away from downtown.
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The Farmers market on Fairview will be staying open thanks to the ASU business program and the Montgomery Police Department.

Click here to read the AL.com article.
Very nice to hear this news. Also the city is talking with a produce company (cant remember the name) to take over the Coliseum location. Heard that on WSFA today.
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Anyone here a member of urbanplanet.org? I've recently been keeping up the Montgomery news section going to keep it current. Sad that it's ghost town now. Views are somewhat still active but no more conversations.

http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/forum/332-montgomery/
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I'm so glad Fresh Market is moving. Much closer to my home and even closer to current and future downtown residents.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2011, 4:32 AM
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Yes. Good news for midtown.
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From http://carterphotodesign.com/portfolio/abandoned-apartment-complex/



If anyone has noticed the abandoned Grove Court apartments over the years and ever wondered about them here is some info. To my knowledge there is are no plans to redevelop them. A friend and I have photographed the place last month.

"Grove Court Apartments

Was listed as one of the Places in Peril for 2010, as noted by the Alabama Historical Commission.

The apartment complex at the corner of Court and Grove Streets is architecturally significant and could contribute to an existing district, although it also appears to be individually eligible for the National Register. Constructed in 1947, the Grove Court Apartments were designed by Clyde Pearon (1904-1975) in the International style, which is rarely seen in Montgomery. The prolific architect designed many buildings in Alabama, most of them concentrated in the Montgomery area. Other works in Montgomery include Montgomery Fair Department Store, the Ritz Theatre, and the Elite Café.

The three-story complex is comprised of a U-shaped central building with long buildings flanking both sides. The central-most block rises up to a fourth level; the first level of this section is not enclosed and open to the courtyard. The entire complex is joined with a north-south circulation spine, and eight glass-enclosed stair towers are located at interior corners of the buildings. Voids between the arms of the buildings create landscaped courtyards with sidewalks connecting the buildings. Stucco retaining walls create landscaped terraces along the Court Street elevation. The apartment buildings feature painted brick exterior walls with stucco accents and metal casement windows in horizontal bands. The complex was designed with fire-proof construction of concrete frame and reinforced tiles, brick faced curtain walls, and tile floors.

Due to the owner’s decades-long neglect of his property and subsequent use by squatters, the complex is threatened with further decay and damage. Separate incidents of a fire and murder were reported at this site. I’ve been told a condemnation and demolition notice was posted by the City on the Grove Court Apartments December 24, 2007; therefore it is highly threatened. However, word on the street is that the building is under contract.

Owners are asking approximately $2 million for the property, and they appear to have no interest in maintaining and selling the property.

Unfortunately, the property is open to the elements and to vagrants who squat on the property."



It was built to house working class married couples without children. It has 54 one bedroom and 27 two bedroom units. It was the first major project in Montgomery after WW2. This architectural style was usually used for complexes in much larger cities than Montgomery.

Unfortunately Im not sure if the individual unit layouts would work for some renters. For one the kitchen is pretty small. Maybe they can knock out some walls to open them up. Anyway thought some people might like to know.

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I'm so glad Fresh Market is moving. Much closer to my home and even closer to current and future downtown residents.
I agree with you 100%. When I heard the "rumblings" of the move several months back, I was afraid it would go east. Excellent to hear that it is moving to midtown!
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Victor Dover said they are going to go back and modify the plans to make sure the bike lanes are not only along Maxwell Blvd. but throughout the buck of the new neighborhood because there is a great demand from commanders and officers at Maxwell for those kind of amenities.
Awesome. We need bike lanes on major thoroughfares all over town, preferably grade-separated. There's plenty of right-of-way available in most cases.
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Forgive me if this has been posted already but thought this was cool to learn about. Now that ASU is expecting an increase in on campus students they have a master plan, AUM expects to house at minimum 8,000 in about 15 years and will create a better urban campas. The new wellness center has been under construction for sometime now and the two roundabouts are finished but here is a link about redeveloping the whole campus to accommodate the new students and staff.

A bike network will be constructed to provide an easier and safter way for students to travel. A better, more extensive pedestrian walkways are in order. The ground floor facades of the current buildings will be redesigned to open up the buildings to pedestrians with glass walls yet keeping the current concrete and brick "historical" architecture to blend with the other buildings. Great news because I always thought the design of each building felt more like a prison. Looks like the buildings were way out dated from day one of construction.

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Forgive me if this has been posted already but thought this was cool to learn about. Now that ASU is expecting an increase in on campus students they have a master plan, AUM expects to house at minimum 8,000 in about 15 years and will create a better urban campas. The new wellness center has been under construction for sometime now and the two roundabouts are finished but here is a link about redeveloping the whole campus to accommodate the new students and staff.

A bike network will be constructed to provide an easier and safter way for students to travel. A better, more extensive pedestrian walkways are in order. The ground floor facades of the current buildings will be redesigned to open up the buildings to pedestrians with glass walls yet keeping the current concrete and brick "historical" architecture to blend with the other buildings. Great news because I always thought the design of each building felt more like a prison. Looks like the buildings were way out dated from day one of construction.

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Thanks for sharing; great read!
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Coming Soon:

Sushi Café @ 3004 Zelda Road

Cantina Tortilla Grill on a portion (?) of The Alley

Alley Way Night Club @ basement of 101 Tallapoosa Street (Dreamland?)

$90,000 in improvements for a restaurant @ 971 Ann Street

and Colonial Bank Boulevard to become Capitol Commerce Boulevard
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Coliseum's future uncertain


Alabama Agricultural Center executive director Bill Johnson, left, and Billy Powell, executive direc­tor of the Southeastern Livestock Exposition, take a look at Garrett Coliseum in Montgomery on Saturday. The SLE rodeo wrapped up at Garrett on Saturday. (Mickey Welsh)


Garrett Coliseum execu­tive director Bill Johnson sounds as if he's writing the obituary for the grand old lady as he discusses the of­ten mentioned but never utilized architectural dreams for renovation.

"Our prayers have been for years that we would be in renovation soon," John­son said. "All of a sudden, that has changed to desper­ation to keep the building open."

This time, his dire predic­tions may ring true. Gov. Robert Bentley has made it clear that tough budget cuts are on the horizon and that includes Garrett Coliseum.

In 1998, the antiquated fa­cility received appropria­tions of approximately $650,000, according to John­son. While that doesn't be­gin to cover the cost of any renovations, it was enough to provide for the minor re­pairs that constantly crop up with a large facility of that age.

Thirteen years later, the appropriations are at $400,000. When the seven-member staff needs to do any work on the property surrounding the arena, they usually bring the tools from home.

"I can't imagine there's anybody that has gotten along as long as we have with as little as we have and kept the doors open," John­son said.

Next year, Bentley has al­located nothing, cutting Garrett Coliseum from the budget.

"That's correct," said John McMillan, commis­sioner of the Department of Agriculture and Industries and a member of the Alaba­ma Agricultural Center Board which oversees the coliseum. "Frankly, I've been so preoccupied with all of the other problems I've got at the Department of Agriculture and Indus­tries and Governor Bentley is appointing four members to the board out here. So we're just waiting to get the appointees and we'll start over looking at what our op­tions are and try and figure out if there's a way to work with other government enti­ties in the tri-county area."

McMillan said he has tour­ed the facility twice in the last year and added, "I know what a desperate situation it is in as far as some sort of re­furbishing."
The electrical wiring, the plumbing and the heating are original, dating from the early 1950s. Each has unique problems that all require at­tention. The electrical wir­ing is controlled through a badly outdated transformer located within the coliseum. If, or when, it malfunctions, a new transformer installed outdoors would leave the col­iseum without power for at least 16 weeks.

The plumbing is deterio­rating, which isn't surpris­ing for 60-year-old pipes. The heating, facing similar is­sues, is barely adequate on most winter evenings and certainly isn't energy effi­cient. The roof leaks at the front of the coliseum where the box office is located and the last major work on the fa­cility came in 1986 when workers placed a new roof on three sections of the facility. Guaranteed for 20 years, it is now in its 26th year.

"We're constantly working on something," said John­son, the director for the last 20 years. "Now, we're getting to the point where we don't have any money to work on anything. We've done what­ever it has taken to keep the place going, but you finally get to the point where you just run out of Band-Aids and duct tape.

"This is like our home," he said, "and it just kills us not to be able to keep it up."

Last year, the Legislature passed House Bill 663, which provides a minimum annual appropriation of $800,000 to the Alabama Agricultural Center Board as long as a ren­ovation plan of at least $30 million is in place.

House Bill 663 is likely to be a hot topic of conversation whenever the Bentley ap­pointees take their place on the Alabama Agricultural Center Board.
"We're going to push for­ward," said Reed Ingram, vice chairman of the Mont­gomery County Commission and a member of the Agricul­tural Center Board. "We're going to try and get private money. It's something we can't let go any longer. It's to the point we don't know how much longer we can continue (in the present situation) with the coliseum. We can't let it go even though we're in a revenue crunch because of the revenue it brings into the city."

When told Bentley had failed to appropriate any money for the coliseum next year, Ingram said he believed McMillan's friendship with Bentley would get that num­ber changed.

"Commissioner McMillan will work on that," Ingram said. "If that's true, then we'll close. We can't operate on what little money we've got. It would have to shut its doors."

The Agricultural Center Board has entertained ideas to hand over control of the coliseum to a private corpor­ation in the past. Montgom­ery Mayor Todd Strange, who recently did the same thing with the city's golf courses, said the time may have come to allow a private firm to run the coliseum.

"Obviously, it's a good at­traction but with the state it's in, we're getting less and less out of it," Strange said. "It's a state-owned facility and we want to support it, but at the end of the day we can't take over farmers mar­kets and coliseums.

"If they're not going to fund it, it seems they ought to let the private sector take over."

Strange, a former member of the County Commission who has followed the finan­cial struggles of the coliseum in recent years, said the Agri­cultural Center Board was hesitant to hand the colise­um over to a private firm, likely because "it has to do with giving up control." One way to raise additional funds, he said, is to put a $1 surcharge on every ticket sold.

"If they have 700,000-plus people coming to events ev­ery year, just going up a dol­lar on every ticket, that's $700,000," he said.

Johnson said the staff is committed to providing ex­cellent service to each event, hoping that will offset the antiquated facilities. He's not sure events such as the rodeo and the Alabama Na­tional Fair, already fighting an economy that has led to declining attendance, can af­ford a surcharge.
"If you charged the rodeo and the fair for every little thing, they couldn't afford to come here," he said. "The people who come here, they go out and spend money in the community. People who spend the night here, they're going to go to restaurants, they're going to spend the night, they're going to go to the stores, they're going to buy fuel. It all goes into the (local) economy, but we don't get much of that back, if any­thing."

Maintenance costs, mean­while, keep rising. When a tractor's clutch went out re­cently, the coliseum staff just pulled parts from that tractor to make overdue repairs to others in an effort to provide maintenance on the proper­ty. When events such as the rodeo or fair need help to set up the arena, inmate labor is provided by the Department of Corrections. Three years ago, that labor cost $3 per man per day. Now, it's up to $15 per man.

A 2009 study to renovate the coliseum sits near John­son's desk. That study in­cluded a $60 million renova­tion based on similar facilities in Perry, Ga., and Jackson, Miss. The scaled-back $30 million renovation now discussed is for the coli­seum and doesn't take into account the barns and exhib­it buildings located on the property.

"I want to put it on the fast track to get private money, along with their (state) mon­ey," Ingram said. "It's doable if we were able to get some­one to manage it. Lease it for 10 years, 20 years. We need to do something creative, out of the box. There's too much history, too much revenue (for the local economy) and it's too valuable a learning tool for our children (with events such as the rodeo) to let it go."

Groundbreaking for Gar­rett Coliseum took place on Aug. 31, 1948, and the dedicat­ion of the $1.5 million facility took place in October 1953. Even before the building was completed, it held its first major event, playing host to a concert featuring Hank Wil­liams Sr.

Since then, the 118-acre complex has welcomed more than 25,000,000 visitors, in­cluding those who came for Southeastern Conference basketball and track events as well as sold-out concerts featuring Elvis, the Commo­dores, Prince, Kenny Rogers, George Strait, Alan Jackson, Kenny Chesney and Elton John.

In recent years, the 8,500-seat facility has been the site of fewer and fewer concerts because of the poor sound system and the out­dated electrical system, along with outdated rest­rooms and concession stands.

The debate has raged for the past several years wheth­er to simply tear down the fa­cility, but its sturdy con­struction -- and history -- lead the sentiment toward renovating it. Either way, a decision will have to made soon.
"I think a lot of sentiment goes into it because it's been here so long and it's such a historical building," John­son said. "It's so structurally sound. There have been sev­eral football stadiums that were 30 years old that have been imploded, but when they get ready to implode this one, they'd better bring the best dynamite they've got."
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971 Ann St is Midtown Plaza, right? Cici's or AlaThai?



BTW, if you haven't been, El Cantaro is a hole in the wall in the strip mall next to the interstate, across from Midtown. Right next to the Quik Pawn and Money Store.

It is excellent. Real Mexican food. Street tacos, chips you can read a newspaper through, and awesome Tortas.

Hit them up.
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@OldCloverdale yea I just read that earlier about the Coliseum. Very discouraging news. Some of the comments on that article are too negative.
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