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Old Posted Feb 22, 2011, 7:47 AM
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it's sad when people have to resort to ignore lists. it shows that they can't deal with that person intellectually and/or emotionally. my opinions of la obviously bother some people tremendously. meaning they have enough substance to matter. i'll take that as a compliment.

others, they can see that i express an opinion of many opinions. being relatively objective individuals, they recognize it as their right to agree or not. those people i can respect.

citywatch - i won't mention a way to turn things around because i know that nothing will change without rail transit as the foundation for change. everything else is a load of b.s. doesn't matter how many ways you dress it up. once purple line reaches the westside and zoning laws get less stringent as a result (and wealth starts flowing downtown as a result) we can talk about real change as far as development is concerned.

me personally, i don't care for development for the sake of it. la can use some quality. there is plenty of money in development here. it just doesn't look that way. in that respect, you're right that appearance matters. la can use some help in both style and substance.

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Old Posted Feb 22, 2011, 7:59 AM
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I found a PDF that goes into huge detail concerning the Figueroa Street Renovation. I mean HUGE detail.

http://myfigueroa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/2011-02_Fig_Public-Meeting-Boards.pdf

Everything you could possibly want to know is on here.

EDIT: The link doesn't seem to be working. Try this URL: http://myfigueroa.com/about/ and under Library click on the top link.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2011, 8:16 AM
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^looks like it's actually just a very general plan for fig. it seems to suggest removing some lanes for rail, bike, and pedestrian modes, which drives the point even further - you can't make a place ped oriented without the transit. imagine the traffic after taking a lane off that stretch of fig. expo alone wouldn't mitigate the loss of a lane.

hypothetically speaking, removing a single lane of figueroa would have a regional impact on traffic. adding the expo line wouldn't have any perceivable regional mitigation whatsoever. opponents of mass transit are at least correct in pointing this out. in this respect, mass transit is almost like a zero sum game. either you have a fully functional network, or you don't have anything at all.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2011, 3:35 PM
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Guys, I suspended Razqual for a blatant personal attack. Let's keep things civil, even if we don't always agree.

Also, many posts deleted, including some of my own, that had gotten off topic. Let's keep things on topic - downtown development projects.
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2011, 3:52 PM
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^looks like it's actually just a very general plan for fig. it seems to suggest removing some lanes for rail, bike, and pedestrian modes, which drives the point even further - you can't make a place ped oriented without the transit. imagine the traffic after taking a lane off that stretch of fig. expo alone wouldn't mitigate the loss of a lane.

hypothetically speaking, removing a single lane of figueroa would have a regional impact on traffic. adding the expo line wouldn't have any perceivable regional mitigation whatsoever. opponents of mass transit are at least correct in pointing this out. in this respect, mass transit is almost like a zero sum game. either you have a fully functional network, or you don't have anything at all.
Concerning mass transit, you have to start somewhere. Most cities transit systems were not built in a day. The Expo Line will go a long way to making this happen. Los Angeles currently has more projects planned then any of city in the country. It won't be very long before web have what one would consider a 'complete' network. I'd say, by looking at the timelines on all the proposals, that we would have a reasonably competent network by 2022 (when the Purple Line is set to hit the VA). Thats actually not that long from now, or the completion of the afigueroa renovation, especially considering the amount of time it would take to fully complete said renovation.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2011, 9:02 PM
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^looks like it's actually just a very general plan for fig. it seems to suggest removing some lanes for rail, bike, and pedestrian modes, which drives the point even further - you can't make a place ped oriented without the transit. imagine the traffic after taking a lane off that stretch of fig. expo alone wouldn't mitigate the loss of a lane.

hypothetically speaking, removing a single lane of figueroa would have a regional impact on traffic. adding the expo line wouldn't have any perceivable regional mitigation whatsoever. opponents of mass transit are at least correct in pointing this out. in this respect, mass transit is almost like a zero sum game. either you have a fully functional network, or you don't have anything at all.
Metro just added a 3rd lane to Flower south of Washington to Expo for the Expo Line. A lane that was never there before. It's just making the belt wider for the overweight person..it will do nothing but just add more cars. If you create inconvenience for drivers (smaller lanes, loss of left turn lanes, restricted parking), they will find alternative ways to make it to their destination. It will happen. If parking is the #1 reason people choose to commute, then Santa Clarita and the Valley would be the hippest parts of LA. Ironically, it's actually the places that charge for parking (downtown, Pasadena, Hollywood, Santa Monica) that are the hippest in LA. So it doesn't prove a fact that free parking or wide roads bring people. It's the destinations that lie therein.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2011, 12:19 AM
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Alright, I deleted a lot of posts about USC academics and rankings. While no one would argue that USC is in the area, let's keep the conversations specific to developments, and save the education discussion for another forum. That should keep us on track and on topic.
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I don't want to hijack threads, but this is very important to be aware of, as many communities try to sue cities over development (and probably will have some bearing on a potential Westside subway lawsuit by Beverly Hills)...

From the Transportation forum (Breaking News from last night!!!)

"It's official!!! Judge has overthrown the Neighbors for Smart Rail case on the Expo Line. The rail line can proceed as planned! Construction for Phase II expected to begin in March 2011!!!

The judge denied NFSR's petition to stop the Expo Line in his final decision this evening. This was the only major remaining legal hurdle facing the Expo Line.

LA County Superior Court Web site
(Type in case no. BS125233)"
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2011, 4:05 PM
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I don't want to hijack threads, but this is very important to be aware of, as many communities try to sue cities over development (and probably will have some bearing on a potential Westside subway lawsuit by Beverly Hills)...

From the Transportation forum (Breaking News from last night!!!)

"It's official!!! Judge has overthrown the Neighbors for Smart Rail case on the Expo Line. The rail line can proceed as planned! Construction for Phase II expected to begin in March 2011!!!

The judge denied NFSR's petition to stop the Expo Line in his final decision this evening. This was the only major remaining legal hurdle facing the Expo Line.

LA County Superior Court Web site
(Type in case no. BS125233)"
Great! Part of phase 2 goes near my house, so I can constantly update with pictures and such.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2011, 4:42 PM
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colemonkee: good idea.

Expo II: Great news. When this is done, you will be able to ride from SM and Culver City all the way to DT going by that, er, big school, that is sort of DT and of, you know, some quality and builds OK stuff. (lol).
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2011, 1:30 AM
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Hi guys im new =] but i have been readin these LA forums since last year haha

Me, my sister and cousin have already planned to move to dtla, why?? not only because LA is rising from the ashes but because we wanna live in a big city(we're from san diego) we wanna be in a place like new york city, but stay on the west coast, yea seattle or san francisco is nice but too far from home. we wanna be away from home in a big city but again not too far. Los Angeles is perfect for us.

also my cousin is majoring in business so dtla is good for her, im workin as security for the navy and i wanna work for lapd. my sister is doing fashion, la is perfect for us.

haha just so u guys know =] thought u might like that haha BUUUTTTT it will be in 2014 when i finish the military.

ANYWAYS. HIII =D
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2011, 1:38 AM
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oh yea there's also this new I-405 project i read about on one of the Los Angeles Transportation forums here.

ABOUT A 405 RAIL TUNNEL THAT WOULD CONNECT SYLMAR TO WEST LA, AND WEST LA TO LONG BEACH

PHASE I - CONNECT SAN FERNANDO/BRAND TO SEPULVEDA/PICO(partially funded by 30/10 Initiative)
PHASE II - SEPULVEDA/PICO TO CAL STATE LONG BEACH(Not currently funded long-term project)
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2011, 1:39 AM
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oh yea there's also this new I-405 project i read about on one of the Los Angeles Transportation forums here.

ABOUT A 405 RAIL TUNNEL THAT WOULD CONNECT SYLMAR TO WEST LA, AND WEST LA TO LONG BEACH

PHASE I - CONNECT SAN FERNANDO/BRAND TO SEPULVEDA/PICO(partially funded by 30/10 Initiative)
PHASE II - SEPULVEDA/PICO TO CAL STATE LONG BEACH(Not currently funded long-term project)
oh shoot... i forgot this was a downtown la forum =/ sorry.. i guess i got too excited haha
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2011, 1:58 AM
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oh shoot... i forgot this was a downtown la forum =/ sorry.. i guess i got too excited haha
Well, I mean, I suppose it DOES connect to the Purple Line, which DOES connect to Downtown, so I suppose (and this is a longshot) that it correlates in some small degree to Downtown. Oh, and yeah, I am excited too. Westside to the Valley in six minutes? I'm down for that.
     
     
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Well, I mean, I suppose it DOES connect to the Purple Line, which DOES connect to Downtown, so I suppose (and this is a longshot) that it correlates in some small degree to Downtown. Oh, and yeah, I am excited too. Westside to the Valley in six minutes? I'm down for that.

where does the purple line go? you know how many lines are they working now to expand the LA metro?
     
     
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where does the purple line go? you know how many lines are they working now to expand the LA metro?

http://www.metro.net/riding_metro/metro_rail/images/maps/metro-map-purple-line.jpg

The Expo Line (phase 1 to Culver City is under construction but a portion of it could open this summer)

http://fourstory.org/content/2/4/2/1.jp

And the Gold Line Foothill Extention I think is under construction.

http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/wp-co...tro-Gold-Line-Foothill-Extension-Map.jpg
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And the Gold Line Foothill Extention I think is under construction.
Unfortunately, not yet. Some pain in the ass property owner is trying to stop it.
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Unfortunately, not yet. Some pain in the ass property owner is trying to stop it.
He's trying to prevent the maintenance facility to be built in Monrovia because the Gold Line Foothill Authority will have to eminent domain his property (he is willing to sell). It's not holding up construction yet, they just haven't picked a contractor yet.

http://monrovia.patch.com/articles/local...20-million-gold-line-project-in-monrovia
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2011, 8:07 AM
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where does the purple line go? you know how many lines are they working now to expand the LA metro?
Razqal...visit the Metro.net website in order to familiarize yourself with LA's Metro system.

www.metro.net
     
     
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Ppl with $$ started abandoning bunker hill over 80 yrs ago. that was when LA actually had one of the best transit systems in the world, known as the red cars.

How come SF never fall apart the way dtla did? was it cuz of cable cars? but that system was mainly localized. SF didn't have BART til 1972. so did cable cars prevent SF from becoming burbanized the way LA did?

Did hoods like samo & pasadena not go downhill---& become as battered up as dtla---cuz of better transit? Are the hoods around century city or ucla nice cuz of transit?

anyone who believes transit is the silver bullet for preventing burbanization, or that lack of transit is why hoods like dt went downhill, have to remember one important thing: ppl started to migrate away from the center of LA over 60 yrs ago, before most fwys were built & before the red car system had been shut down.

IOW, if only ONE thing could be changed about LA----& it could be either improving transit or making hoods nicer (but not both)----I'd pick the option of making LA's older hoods nicer from the beginning. The other option ends up putting the cart before the horse.

It's a given that modern transit in LA has to be improved & forcing everyone onto fwys is a joke. the red line should have been extended over 10 yrs ago. Unfortunately, dumb politicians were worried about methane gas or believed that ppl in LA should use cars or buses instead of rail.

but if anyone thinks that improving rail transit (& buses are zzzzz, plus they get stuck in the same traffic with cars) guarantees that hoods in LA no longer will be so & abandoned by ppl with $$----& isn't as concerned about making hoods look less bad----they're ignoring hard reality & the history of LA.
     
     
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