Winnipeg Jets

[roccerfeller]

Originally Posted by ScrappyPeg

All of these articles just seem to amount to speculation about what may or may not happen. Nothing definitive.

These articles are related to the potential return of, specifically, the Coyotes.

They are not a sure thing.


But IMO NHL in Winnipeg for next season is, very real, regardless if Phoenix stays... I personally don't think its going to be the Coyotes, but this is my opinion.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by roccerfeller

NHL in Winnipeg for next season is, very real, regardless if Phoenix stays.

yup........

[rrskylar]

^ You frickin tease!

[roccerfeller]

Guys, theres ANOTHER Glendale city council vote on Tuesday, Feb 15th


ANOTHER ONE!!!!


*facepalm*

[Mininari]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...nges-vote.html

To me, it reads like they're anticipating the actual bond sale process could take weeks (due to investors weighing the offer), AND they're putting aside ANOTHER $10M in an escrow fund for MH to draw upon, in case they don't provide the full $97M.

Does it appear that they're preparing for the probable case that the full amount required simply cannot be raised?

Ah whatever... more fuel for Goldwater's fire.

Hmm, another one...
http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n...-for-late.html

[rrskylar]

This post caught my attention on the HFboards, "someone's (C of G) got some 'splainin to do" (special emergency C of G council meeting this Tuesday).

1) Is a financial analysis of future parking revenues and the net present value of those future revenues relevant to the COG's lease agreement with Hulsizer? (YES)

2) To obtain that financial analysis did the COG retain a nationally renowned expert (Walker)? (YES)

3) Did Walker's financial analysis justify a payment of $100 million to Hulsizer for the rights to future parking revenues? (NO)

4) Did Glendale city administrators inform the public of Walker's analysis prior to the city council meeting during which the lease agreement was to be approved? (NO)

5) Did Glendale city administrators withhold the results of Walker's financial analysis from at least some city councilors? (YES)

6) Did Glendale employ a consultant who is on a hefty retainer to conduct a second analysis of parking revenues (i.e. Hocking)? (YES)

7) Does Hocking have equivalent experience and credentials as Walker to conduct a financial analysis of future parking revenues? (NO)

8) Instead of negotiating a lease with Hulsizer based on Walker's analysis, did city administrators instead use the later and more cursory analysis by Hocking? (YES)

9) During the public council meeting did Ed Lynch state that future parking revenues would be sufficient to bond costs, without informing council or the public that their most credible study on this had shown them that parking revenues would be insufficient? (YES)

10) Did city administrators have a fiduciary duty to inform city council and the public about the financial basis of their agreement to pay Hulsizer $100 million for parking rights? (YES)

[flatlander]

Wow, did relocationists take over the boards or have Arizonans given up completely?

http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...nges-vote.html

[SmileyBoy]

Originally Posted by flatlander

Wow, did relocationists take over the boards or have Arizonans given up completely?

http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...nges-vote.html

I know it's easy to speak in hyperbole about certain people all the time, saying that someone's a moron, or that they're crazy, etc., but there's one poster on the comments list in that azcentral article who I really think has a non-functioning I.Q., probably below 60 or so. Either that, or some type of serious mental disorder.

[flatlander]

Originally Posted by SmileyBoy

I know it's easy to speak in hyperbole about certain people all the time, saying that someone's a moron, or that they're crazy, etc., but there's one poster on the comments list in that azcentral article who I really think has a non-functioning I.Q., probably below 60 or so. Either that, or some type of serious mental disorder.

Hey SmileyBoy i thought you were from Fargo-ish? How did you make it to TO?

[Mininari]

So Glendale city Council approved the amended lease agreement 4 - 3.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...116174794.html

Big surprise.
Frankly, I'm starting to want the Thrashers more than the 'yotes, now that they've signed byfuglien to a 5-year deal! He was the bane of Roberto Luongo's playoff existence, two years in a row.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...116267149.html

Maybe this is moot, but I could see some preferring this move, so that the Thrashers and Red Wings would swap conferences... not to mention, the Thrashers situation is definitely not in good shape either. The Coyotes situation is getting the lions share of the media attention, due to the ridiculous nature of the negotiations and deal. Heck, as others have shown, a full parking lot, $20.00 per spot, x 41 games does NOT cover bond interest at 6%.

Lets wait and see how the bond sale goes.... and if Goldwater is all bark and no bite on this one.

[roccerfeller]

Originally Posted by Mininari

So Glendale city Council approved the amended lease agreement 4 - 3.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...116174794.html

Big surprise.
Frankly, I'm starting to want the Thrashers more than the 'yotes, now that they've signed byfuglien to a 5-year deal! He was the bane of Roberto Luongo's playoff existence, two years in a row.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...116267149.html

Maybe this is moot, but I could see some preferring this move, so that the Thrashers and Red Wings would swap conferences... not to mention, the Thrashers situation is definitely not in good shape either. The Coyotes situation is getting the lions share of the media attention, due to the ridiculous nature of the negotiations and deal. Heck, as others have shown, a full parking lot, $20.00 per spot, x 41 games does NOT cover bond interest at 6%.

Lets wait and see how the bond sale goes.... and if Goldwater is all bark and no bite on this one.

Phoenix is messed up...but since last May I have viewed them as a "Plan B" ... their story is just much more documented and well publicized, but ATL has always been the target IMO. It makes the most logical sense, the timeline for all the construction works the best, PHX was more of a "oh...okay" kind of deal.

Chipman won't talk about ATL, but he will deny PHX whenever he can. In fact TNSE still denies all NHL involvement even to the point where the NHL has had to make mention they were dealing with TNSE.

Considering how well hidden it was that TNSE put a bid on the Coyotes for the NHL, really speaks volumes as to how "behind the scenes" this ATL stuff really it.

There are tons of questions, but if you really think about it, use logic, and go backwards in time...not to mention actually READ the recent ATL court filing, or how Garry & Bill have both spoken out against ATL compared to PHX, you will magically see the puzzle pieces.

Its just a matter of believing which way its going to swing, and waiting it out.

All I know is everything is going to be clearer once this Phoenix thing is behind us...its really holding ATL back.

I gotta admit, after seeing the Press Box myself this weekend, there is no way that is for an AHL team or a one-time "let's land the World Juniors each year!"

Its obvious considering they are rushing to finish it, when if they really needed it just for the AHL they could have built it over the summer...or the previous 6 summers including upon the original design...


Just to add Minari, I really do think GWI is bite...but it might appear as bark, because there might be nothing they can do the way CoG has timed the bond sale...They did not spend 2 years following this deal for no reason. If you read their statements from way back, it is pretty clear they will do something, but there has to be a logical legal angle to. If todays meeting was any indication, its that the CoG residents who are not Yotes fans are really waking up.

[rrskylar]

Watched the gong show called the Glendale city council , what an incompetent group. They vote 4-3 for, whatever that means, most of the council wasn't even sure what they were voting on.

The council and mayor have no clue if they get the $25 million they put in escrow for the NHL back, they already have $10 million of that slated for an escrow account for Hulsizer... what a joke. They made Winnipeg city councilor Harvey Smith and past city councilor Lillian Thomas look like brainiacs!

[roccerfeller]

This is why rrskylar you might not have to worry about anything related to PHX...


http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-th...cy-840692.html

...

Atlanta Spirit co-owner Michael Gearon said there is now a “sense of urgency” to find additional investors or a buyer willing to keep the Thrashers in Atlanta. If the ownership group does not get additional financial help in the near future the franchise could be sold and moved to another city.

“If we are faced with that as the only alternative, that’s what’s going to happen,” Gearon told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution in an exclusive interview Tuesday. “I don’t think there is an ability to stomach another $20 million in losses. We just can’t do it.

“The reality is we need fans showing up and we need investors, or a primary investor.”

The Thrashers have long been the subject of speculation that the franchise would be sold and moved with Canadian cities Winnipeg, Quebec and Hamilton most often mentioned.

Atlanta Spirit has been trying to sell the Thrashers for six years – starting almost immediately after purchasing the team – according to the Jan. 21 lawsuit filed in Fulton County Superior Court against Atlanta law firm King & Spalding.

...

[hexrae]

Originally Posted by Mininari

So Glendale city Council approved the amended lease agreement 4 - 3.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...116174794.html

Big surprise.
Frankly, I'm starting to want the Thrashers more than the 'yotes, now that they've signed byfuglien to a 5-year deal! He was the bane of Roberto Luongo's playoff existence, two years in a row.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...116267149.html

Maybe this is moot, but I could see some preferring this move, so that the Thrashers and Red Wings would swap conferences... not to mention, the Thrashers situation is definitely not in good shape either. The Coyotes situation is getting the lions share of the media attention, due to the ridiculous nature of the negotiations and deal. Heck, as others have shown, a full parking lot, $20.00 per spot, x 41 games does NOT cover bond interest at 6%.

Lets wait and see how the bond sale goes.... and if Goldwater is all bark and no bite on this one.

I think moving Nashville causes the least disruption (if Atlanta is the teamed moved).

Nashville: The Southern most team in the Western conference
- Atlanta -> Winnipeg (Joins Northwest)
- Minnesota (Joins Central)
- Nashville (Joins Southeast)

[Mininari]

You're definitely right about that, but keep in mind just who the Red Wings are in the league. Nashville has no seniority for such a move, and I've read that the Wings have been waiting for the opportunity to switch for years.

Nashville can just pack up and move to another city if they want to switch conferences! (QC maybe?)

Plus with "Big Buff" signed for 5 years at 26Mil... he must be open to the idea of playing only 2 hours away from home sweet home Roseau, Minn.

[hexrae]

I'm a huge Wings fan and am a little biased in not wanting them to switch conferences.

But as an exercise:

- Atlanta -> Winnipeg (Joins Northwest)
- Minnesota (Joins Central)
- Detroit (Joins Northeast)
- Boston (Joins Atlantic) - I thought about Buffalo, but Boston is 'Atlantic' too.
- Philadelphia (Joins Southeast)

Seems to be more disruption with established rivalries
Detroit/Chicago
Montreal/Boston
Pittsburgh/Philadelphia

[SmileyBoy]

Originally Posted by flatlander

Hey SmileyBoy i thought you were from Fargo-ish? How did you make it to TO?

I'm going to animation school here. Hopefully I get my masters degree in 3 years or so. TO may be the place where I end up settling down, though I'm not sure.

[Mininari]

Here is a longer version of today's Atlanta Thrashers Owner "cry for help."

http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-th...cy-840692.html

[trueviking]

contgratulations smiley boy...good luck.

the simple answer is to move nashville to the south-east where it belongs and move minneapolis to its place with the other midwestern teams....the only one who might not like it is colorado. but it works pretty well for everyone else.

they should ditch the 8 games within the conference rule.

Detroit
Minnesota
Chicago
Columbus
St Louis

Vancouver
Calgary
Winnipeg
Colorado
Edmonton

Tampa Bay
Washington
Carolina
Nashville
Florida

[hexrae]

That's what I went with originally. Less disruption to the current breakdown.