YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[NewfBC]

Originally Posted by Yume-sama

WestJet released a photo of their first non-Boeing 737 aircraft today. A Boeing 757 that they've leased for a couple months. A sign of things to come??


http://twitpic.com/3ztklv/full

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wee_in_yyc/5446680518/

Ron.

[Bigtime]

Flickr now provides the BBcode on the "share this" button:


WestJet 757!!! by Wee in YYC, on Flickr

[Gordon]

The 787s may be super long Range but they are also the same the size as the 67s Some of YVR's Asian Routes are more suited to this size of plane nor the 777.

[golog]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Will we even see 787s here?

When Air Canada was upgrading its fleet to include the new seats with personal video screens, they started using them on YVR-YYZ last. They went to the routes that face competition, and ones based near homebase at Toronto/Montreal first. At least that's how I remember it

[Yume-sama]

Well, supposedly they are still several years off anyways Which kind of sucks.

[twoNeurons]

Sorry, trof... the 787s aren't all about super-long distance. Yes, they have that capability... but it's touted because most jets of that size are used domestically. Due to its lighter weight and ability to handle more powerful nacelles, it is able to travel longer distances.

787s are all about fuel economy and Boeing's gamble that more people will want to fly direct from 2nd tier-cities... rather than be funnelled through overcrowded hubs.

In theory, on a passenger-by-passenger basis, they're supposed to be able to compete with larger jets, because they will be easier to fill and represent less risk when trying out new routes.

As a result of this, Vancouver stands at a perfect position for the 787. It's a medium-sized 2nd-tier city that has a large immigrant population. As such, the 787 makes direct routing from Vancouver to other 2nd tier cities.

For example, maybe there was a viable route between Vancouver and Marseille. Rather than funnel passengers through London Frankfurt (or Paris...) the 787 theoretically allows a direct Vancouver-Marseille flight.

It's an ideal plane for Asia... because of the distances involved in crossing the Pacific and perfectly suited to serve the many smaller (but still large) cities in China.

My (purely selfish) hope is that we see a return of the YVR-KIX (Osaka) route.

What Vancouver probably WON'T see much of, however, are A380s. Those mega-planes are designed to fly between large hubs... which are fed by a whole bunch of regional 737s.

Time will tell which strategy will be more successful.

Personally, I'm a fan of smaller, more efficient, planes... but that's just me.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Sorry, trof... the 787s aren't all about super-long distance. Yes, they have that capability... but it's touted because most jets of that size are used domestically. Due to its lighter weight and ability to handle more powerful nacelles, it is able to travel longer distances.

787s are all about fuel economy and Boeing's gamble that more people will want to fly direct from 2nd tier-cities... rather than be funnelled through overcrowded hubs.

In theory, on a passenger-by-passenger basis, they're supposed to be able to compete with larger jets, because they will be easier to fill and represent less risk when trying out new routes.

As a result of this, Vancouver stands at a perfect position for the 787. It's a medium-sized 2nd-tier city that has a large immigrant population. As such, the 787 makes direct routing from Vancouver to other 2nd tier cities.

For example, maybe there was a viable route between Vancouver and Marseille. Rather than funnel passengers through London Frankfurt (or Paris...) the 787 theoretically allows a direct Vancouver-Marseille flight.

It's an ideal plane for Asia... because of the distances involved in crossing the Pacific and perfectly suited to serve the many smaller (but still large) cities in China.

My (purely selfish) hope is that we see a return of the YVR-KIX (Osaka) route.

What Vancouver probably WON'T see much of, however, are A380s. Those mega-planes are designed to fly between large hubs... which are fed by a whole bunch of regional 737s.

Time will tell which strategy will be more successful.

Personally, I'm a fan of smaller, more efficient, planes... but that's just me.

Interesting. thanks for that info. Like you, I prefer smaller jets. Maybe it's just living in France and seeing the A380 on the evening news half the time, but I'm not wowed by it anymore, and would much prefer to see 787s at YVR ...( and to ride on one ... hehe)

[SpongeG]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/police-warn-airline-ticket-fraud-20110213-070514-063.html

Police warn of airline ticket fraud

Peel police are appealing for more victims to come forward after an alleged airline ticketing scam left more than 100 people grounded.


Investigators for the force based west of Toronto are accusing Super Asia Travel Incorporated of offering discount overseas flights in newspaper ads that ran between July and December 2010.

Police say a representative from the company took money from customers and used fraudulent credit cards to buy airline tickets.

When the travellers tried to board their flights, their tickets were not honoured at the airport.

Investigators say they have located only 30 victims, located mainly in British Columbia and Ontario, and that more than $300,000 was paid to the travel company.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

Investigators for the force based west of Toronto are accusing Super Asia Travel Incorporated of offering discount overseas flights in newspaper ads that ran between July and December 2010.

Police say a representative from the company took money from customers and used fraudulent credit cards to buy airline tickets.

When the travellers tried to board their flights, their tickets were not honoured at the airport.

Investigators say they have located only 30 victims, located mainly in British Columbia and Ontario, and that more than $300,000 was paid to the travel company.

Wow... that would suck... My "guess" is that the offer was "too good to be true"

[Canadian74]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Will we even see 787s here? They are for super-long-haul routes, like LHR to MEL, or YYZ to East Asia or Australia. I don't think Vancouver has any routes that are super-long that would justify 787s -- although there'll soon be more 777s here for sure. I could only imagine 787s on nonexistant routes like Vancouver - Jo'burg, or Vancouver - Mumbai.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

787s are replacing 767s and A330s in Air Canada's fleet. You will see all of the routes currently flown by 767s and A330s being flown with 787s once all of them are here. For the first couple of years, AC will be keeping their 767s for expansion but as most of the 787s are delivered, 767s will be retired.

787 does allow AC to open up new routes or re-start some for which they didn't have the right aircraft before (YYZ-DEL comes to mind). You will see lots of 787s at YVR, YYC, YUL and of course YYZ not only from AC, but many other airlines as well. 787 will be a VERY popular aircraft for a long time.

Don't forget AC has options to purchase a further 23 aircraft if it needs them, which can be used for even more expansion.

787 is not all about range (there are aircraft currently available that can fly farther than the 787). Operating ultra long haul routes is generally not the best economic decision for airlines.
Besides, the 787 cannot fly routes like LHR-SYD/MEL. It does not have enough range.
For the most part, you can imagine all the routes currently being flown by AC's 767s and A330s will be eventually flown by 787s.

[trofirhen]

Interesting! Thank you for that!

[SpongeG]

did u hear about united?

United Air Temporarily Grounds Its 757 Fleet
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704343404576146864262618284.html

[trofirhen]

Anybody know: Are there any plans to complete the West Chevron at YVR in the near future? The ground space is there, seemingly empty and waiting for the final end of the wing to be built.

ALSO ..... who knows anything about plans for the A and B wings in the Domestic Terminal. I spoke with a YVR Sales rep, and he said something was in the works, but he could not me; it was sort of hush-hush.

It will be nice when YVR gets really BIG. Right now, other airports have greater passenger volume, including Oslo, Stockholm Arlanda (almost the same, in fact) and even Brisbane, Australia, handles more passengers yearly than YVR.

[twoNeurons]

Though I'd expect Australian Airports to do quite well... it's the only (viable) way out of the country...

[SpongeG]

this could work in bellingham and seattles favour

U.S. ponders $5.50 entry tax for Canadian air, marine travellers

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/pon...vellers/4298043/story.html#ixzz1ECMgJ064

[Gordon]

I don't think a $5.50 \ passenger charge for flying in to the US will make too much of a difference. $5.50 on a $200+ fare is not very much. The feds ned to take action on some of the other fees & taxes that negatively impact competitive of the Canadian airline industry.

[Yume-sama]

Trans border flights are already so expensive I guess $5 doesn't really matter.

It's just another small reason in a list of many to avoid the USA, though.

[Johnny Aussie]

Summer 2011

Sunwing to re-introduce domestic flying from YVR - 3 weekly to YYZ. Plus weekly CUN and PVR. Sunwing will have 5 weekly flights this summer, compared to nil last summer. Their 738s have a lot of seats on them so that is close to 1,000 seats a week that weren't there last summer.

Winter 2011

Air NZ to increase AKL-YVR to 4 weekly next winter (up from 3, but switching from 744 to 77L, slight capacity increase of about 80 seats p/w. I am booked on one of these!

Korean to go daily to ICN (up from 5 weekly this winter).

[halifaxboyns]

I really wish that AC would restore the YVR-YHZ flight they had back during the union phase of AC with Canadian (in early 2000). That flight was well timed coming from YHZ to connect with the asian market flights, although the return flight could've been changed a bit to connect from Asia to the east better. I guess AC prefers to have most Atlantic Canada customers connect through YYZ; but it was a great option. I took it a few times and despite being a long flight - it was nice.

[Canadian74]

Air New Zealand does not have any 77Ls. I'll assume you meant 77E (777-200ER).