YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[MalcolmTucker]

The amount of traffic the bilateral allows is pretty low. Operating from the Indian side you can only have two flights a week into Vancouver. A Canadian airline can operate either two flights a week or 2100 seats a week, depending on whether a Canadian airline serves India already from another city, and how many flights a week they operate (more than 2 or not).

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Whether you're a Boeing Boy or an Airbus Afficiando... new generation 787-type planes are great news for Vancouver.

I agree with you 100% .... but the 787s are for Toronto, not for us. And the route to India from Vancouver probably will never materialize, either, despite the market ... It's all for Toronto ... as usual. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong ... please !!)

[Gordon]

The 787s will end up replacing all 767s in Air Canada's fleet. I think the total order is around 36 planes.

It Looks like the YVR Can route has been cancelled Vancouver does not appear on the reservation listings on China Southern's Website CSair.com

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Gordon

The 787s will end up replacing all 767s in Air Canada's fleet. I think the total order is around 36 planes.

Is that true?!?! Whew!! What great news. It almost sounds too good to be true. (I woder what their destinations will be, and where they'll fly out of, given that the 787s are a super-long-haul plane)

[Bigtime]

I wouldn't get too excited, at the rate the 787 program is going AC may get their first planes in 2020!

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Gordon

The 787s will end up replacing all 767s in Air Canada's fleet. I think the total order is around 36 planes.

It Looks like the YVR Can route has been cancelled Vancouver does not appear on the reservation listings on China Southern's Website CSair.com

Don't know what you are looking at but YVR definitely appears on the csair.com website. Can even make a booking if you want.

As for India, it will definitely happen sooner than later. Air India was going to start 3 weekly DEL-FRA-YVR about 2-3 years back but pulled as dropped FRA as a scissor "hub."

[Johnny Aussie]

Looks like AC has finally finished tweeking its domestic summer scheds. A bit of a shift from last week.

Highlights (compared to S10):

YYZ - up 13 flights per week. (up to 18 daily compared to 16 in S10)
YUL - up 7 p/w (now up to 6 daily compared to 5 in S10)
YYC - up 9 p/w
YXY - up 7 p/w (although only 1 daily E90 and 2 C daily RJ vs 2 daily E90 last summer)
YLW - up 6 p/w
YXT - up 7 p/w

All other routes are status quo except for the odd up/down weekly frequency or 2.

So net change is up 52 flights p/w, split between mainline increase of 24 p/w and Jazz 28 p/w.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

As for India, it will definitely happen sooner than later. Air India was going to start 3 weekly DEL-FRA-YVR about 2-3 years back but pulled as dropped FRA as a scissor "hub."

Are you saying that direct flights YVR - DEL are in the works? It sounds too good to be true, although I WANT to be believe it.

[SpongeG]

i think the vancouver people going to india like going via england - visit two sets of relatives on one trip so they don't care or get vocal about wanting direct service perhaps

[Yume-sama]

Is it even possible to lay over in London for a day or two on the way to India without paying an astronomical fee, or buying a second ticket?

[SpongeG]

yeah - i've done it and it wasn't that much - you just book your trip in two parts

in my case it worked out about the same

[Yume-sama]

That's interesting. I know if you fly with the same alliance (say Star Alliance) you can book a 15 segment trip around the World for like $5000 in economy~

First / business worked out to be about $11,000 (it costs up to $6000 just to fly round trip to LHR or NRT from YYC / YVR in Business!)

I suppose they discount on a smaller scale, too

[SpongeG]

well i was flying to south africa - it was 625GBP from london to joburg return i just had to find a flight to london - and a full flight from YVR to Joburg was around $2400 at the time i wanted to go so it was about the same so i just booked a few days in london coming and going

either way - most vancouver flights arrive in london around 6-8 am and the flights out usually leave late evening - like 8-11 pm so you get a good chance to leave heathrow and grab lunch in central london or go visit friends whatever

my friend when he flew to pakistan a few years ago had an 8 or 10 hour layover but didn't leave the airport as they didn't have canadian passports at the time

[Yume-sama]

WestJet released a photo of their first non-Boeing 737 aircraft today. A Boeing 757 that they've leased for a couple months. A sign of things to come??


http://twitpic.com/3ztklv/full

[trofirhen]

If this article about WESTJET is at all indicative, it would seem they have big ambitions. They're going head-to-head with AC on YYZ-YUL and YYZ-YOW busy commuter routes. So, Yume, your picture of the 757 may indeed be indicative of bigger things to come. I sure hope so.

ps: What's the normal range of a Boeing 757? Apparently, this one is being used for scheduled service from Alberta (Calgary?) to Hawaii.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/brea...s-business-travellers-in-canadian-skies/

[Bigtime]

Isn't the YYZ-YOW-YUL triangle a notorious bloodbath for airlines when they go head to head there? I'm also guessing it is an area that AC will fight to the death on.

As for the range of the 757 I believe it can comfortably operate YYC/YEG-Hawaii with no restrictions. Last year when WS operated these routes with the 737's they had to restrict the number of seats sold, so as to have the range to make the flights work.

[trofirhen]

[quote=Bigtime;5164257]Isn't the YYZ-YOW-YUL triangle a notorious bloodbath for airlines when they go head to head there? I'm also guessing it is an area that AC will fight to the death on.
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Westjet will operate at about 25% the capacity of Air canada on these routes, but with some extra concessions for passengers whose planes are late or who miss a flight. You are right that is is Air Canada's "home plate," if you will, and I doubt that Westjet has any notions of ovetakng it.

The point I was making is that it is brave and ambitious of them to enter that market in the first place, and indicative of possible future expansion: probably within North America, the Caribbean, and Hawaii, but that they may go further afield in the next few years.

[Fairbanks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6woKWuUgp0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYAppQ26E2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZvgRFWGtqo

[Yume-sama]

The cabin looks nice, but is any airline even buying the 747-800 for passenger service and not cargo?

It seems unlikely that YVR will see anything beyond a 777 or 787 in the near future.

EDIT: Seems like only Lufthansa (20) and Korean (5) have ordered passenger versions while 74 freighters are on order.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Yume-sama

The cabin looks nice, but is any airline even buying the 747-800 for passenger service and not cargo?

It seems unlikely that YVR will see anything beyond a 777 or 787 in the near future.

Will we even see 787s here? They are for super-long-haul routes, like LHR to MEL, or YYZ to East Asia or Australia. I don't think Vancouver has any routes that are super-long that would justify 787s -- although there'll soon be more 777s here for sure. I could only imagine 787s on nonexistant routes like Vancouver - Jo'burg, or Vancouver - Mumbai.

Correct me if I'm wrong.