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Old Posted Jan 29, 2011, 11:14 PM
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"Builder Jerry Snyder plans to break ground this summer on a 464-unit complex at Wilshire Boulevard and Vermont Avenue, where he had previously announced his intention to build a vertical retail mall.


that is totally unexpected! I'd have predicted a proj of that size was not possible, in that part of LA, even when the economy was stronger several yrs ago. highrise housing around there has been limited to mainly the conversion of an office bldg across the street & the somewhat smaller solair tower not far away.

so if such a large proj can get started in mid wilshire, does that mean no less is acceptable for dt?!

A devlpr was entitled to put up a highrise apt bldg over 15 yrs ago around where the broad museum is to be located. but I understand that many of those type projs have been left stranded on the drawing board cuz they wouldn't pencil out.
     
     
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^ Let's be honest though...when it comes to groundbreaking, he'll probably stretch it out until next summer. As in 2012.
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What's the latest on Blvd 6200 that was supposed to break ground this month?
you're right! I googled the following quote from a few months ago:

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Barring any lawsuits, New York-based Clarett Group is looking to break ground on its Blvd6200 project this January, Benjamin Reznik, lobbyist for the developer said yesterday following a city hearing regarding the apartment and retail complex.
the location has been one of the biggest deadzones in hollywood.

When the devlpr is about to start construction, I'm sure ppl will be able to easily detect it. at the very least, the parking lots will have been shutdown. Assuming some forumers have seen that part of the hood recently, I'm guessing that since no one has said anything about it, the site still isn't showing signs of life. So I hope a prediction of "january" isn't going to end up another waiting game.
     
     
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^ Let's be honest though...when it comes to groundbreaking, he'll probably stretch it out until next summer. As in 2012.
that's why LAB needs to find someone to not just tell the devlpr about the bad design choice of the blank wall facing vermont, but to also ask how accurate is the announced groundbreaking for summer this yr. That timeline is what really surprised me about news of the proj.

meanwhile, I'm still waiting for a new apt proj----the only totally new one I'm aware of for dt----that was supposed to break ground several months ago on a site across from the kyoto hotel in little tokyo. It's just a smaller 5 or 6 story wood framed type of bldg, but at this time it's the most anyone can hope for.
     
     
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^ Let's be honest though...when it comes to groundbreaking, he'll probably stretch it out until next summer. As in 2012.
Maybe, but I'm optimistic. IIRC the fence used to be an old chain link fence but they have a brand new wooden construction fence up now. With viewing holes!
     
     
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you're right! I googled the following quote from a few months ago:



the location has been one of the biggest deadzones in hollywood.

When the devlpr is about to start construction, I'm sure ppl will be able to easily detect it. at the very least, the parking lots will have been shutdown. Assuming some forumers have seen that part of the hood recently, I'm guessing that since no one has said anything about it, the site still isn't showing signs of life. So I hope a prediction of "january" isn't going to end up another waiting game.
I was down there today and there was not only no activity, but there were no signs of pending activity.
     
     
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I was looking at that Koreatown proposal, and I think that there may be ground floor retail on the Vermont side. The bottom part of that white wall looks like a very light grey to me, similar to the glass used on the rest of the building. It's hard to tell, so I may be wrong.
     
     
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Nice that a major dead zone will bite the dust, but the design leaves much to be desired. It pretty much reaffirms the notion that while LA is getting denser and orienting new development around transit, its urban design remains hostile to pedestrians. Talk about a huge ass driveway.
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Nice that a major dead zone will bite the dust, but the design leaves much to be desired. It pretty much reaffirms the notion that while LA is getting denser and orienting new development around transit, its urban design remains hostile to pedestrians. Talk about a huge ass driveway.
Density growth does not happen often enough in L.A. that we can take a new dense development for granted. That being said, aesthetics and pedestrian experience are important and should be taken into consideration by the architect and developer. At this point in time, L.A. is still in its infancy as a world city and given its history as a car capital of the world, we can be pleased when we get density and ground floor retail as I believe this development has. L.A. generally will not build the type of pedestrian friendly urban buildings that cities such as S.F. and N.Y. are accustomed to having. If we are always cutting the curb for cars, then there will be an issue putting the pedestrian first.

L.A. is very slowly addressing the pedestrian in its newer residential mixed use developments. But, it is a very slow process and it may be another 50 or 100 years before the pedestrian becomes important in L.A., important enough to put ahead of the needs of vehicles. Well, S.F. and N.Y. already put the pedestrian 1st to a fair extent. But, N.Y. is 400 years old and S.F. was already very dense over 100 years ago.

At that point in time, the city of L.A. was in its infancy. So, it's not fair to compare the two on that basis. The land in L.A. was vast, so L.A. grew outwards. S.F. could only go up. You can't build a city on the bay, but you can build it on the peninsula. Even in S.F. and N.Y., you will still find empty plots of land available for development. But, those opportunities are far and few between in those cities. Generally, in those two cities, shorter buildings or properties will be demolished and larger ones that fully take advantage of the zoning laws will be erected.

To some extent, demolishing shorter buildings in favor of larger ones is beginning to happen in L.A. However, I'm often disappointed with the architecture in these newer larger developments in L.A. I can understand that real estate developers may want to cut costs. However, I cannot understand why any developer would want to build ugly structures that disrespect man's understanding of aesthetics and worldly beauty. Unfortunately, that disrespect is a constant arsenic in the architecture here in L.A. Lack of thought and lack of quality. Lack of respect for the pedestrian and the list goes on and on.

The city started out very well architecturally. I'll point out the Old Bank District and old Los Angeles. But, that architectural style never caught on or carried over past the late 1920s. That's unfortunate because old L.A. has a lot of respect for the pedestrian, community and aesthetics. There were money hungry developers back then too. Just too much land to develop outside of downtown L.A., whereas Manhattan and S.F. had no choice but to build up.

Maybe we can call the current era we live in a renaissance for L.A. and particularly the central parts, downtown and surrounding areas. Well, at least we now know that our downtown isn't a dump not worth saving and that L.A. can be and become a great city if we really force real estate developers to build aesthetically pleasing and pedestrian functional buildings. Oh, and yes I do remember that part of that equation is building the mass transit that will get Angelenos from point A to point B.
     
     
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The city started out very well architecturally. I'll point out the Old Bank District and old Los Angeles. But, that architectural style never caught on or carried over past the late 1920s. That's unfortunate because old L.A. has a lot of respect for the pedestrian, community and aesthetics. There were money hungry developers back then too. Just too much land to develop outside of downtown L.A., whereas Manhattan and S.F. had no choice but to build up.
I see your point. And another reason why LA fell behind in old architecture was because of the zoning and height restrictions.

But why should we stop building early 20th century style skyscrapers just because LA faced unique challenges NY and SF didn't? That just seems so ridiculous and unfair.

Case in point: The City House and Olympic project (on-hold) in downtown. Many LA forumers have complained that that style of architecture doesn't belong in LA. But that's just it: LA NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO LET IT HAPPEN!!!

I think if more of these kinds of projects get built in LA, especially if they're focused on the same areas, it can meld in with the cityscape. What's really cool is that, right now, the city is still pretty much dominated by 1, 2, or 3-story buildings from the 2nd half of the 20th century. So there's still time, IMO, to reestablish old styles of architecture from the 20's era, like Art Deco, New Beaux Arts, and maybe even Gothic Revival, in LA's high-rise development.

But that's just my take on it, and everyone is able to have their opinions.
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I see your point. And another reason why LA fell behind in old architecture was because of the zoning and height restrictions.

But why should we stop building early 20th century style skyscrapers just because LA faced unique challenges NY and SF didn't? That just seems so ridiculous and unfair.

Case in point: The City House and Olympic project (on-hold) in downtown. Many LA forumers have complained that that style of architecture doesn't belong in LA. But that's just it: LA NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO LET IT HAPPEN!!!

I think if more of these kinds of projects get built in LA, especially if they're focused on the same areas, it can meld in with the cityscape. What's really cool is that, right now, the city is still pretty much dominated by 1, 2, or 3- story buildings from the 2nd half of the 20th century. So there's still
time, IMO, to reestablish old styles of architecture from the 20's era, like Art Deco, New Beaux Arts, and maybe even Gothic Revival, in LA's high-rise development.

But that's just my take on it, and everyone is able to have their opinions.
I'd say those architectural styles have already been revived, in some form. A couple of the building along the Wilshire Cordor look pretty barn Deco to me, and The Century certainly has Beaux Arts influences.
     
     
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Density growth does not happen often enough in L.A. that we can take a new dense development for granted. That being said, aesthetics and pedestrian experience are important and should be taken into consideration by the architect and developer. At this point in time, L.A. is still in its infancy as a world city and given its history as a car capital of the world, we can be pleased when we get density and ground floor retail as I believe this development has. L.A. generally will not build the type of pedestrian friendly urban buildings that cities such as S.F. and N.Y. are accustomed to having. If we are always cutting the curb for cars, then there will be an issue putting the pedestrian first.

L.A. is very slowly addressing the pedestrian in its newer residential mixed use developments. But, it is a very slow process and it may be another 50 or 100 years before the pedestrian becomes important in L.A., important enough to put ahead of the needs of vehicles. Well, S.F. and N.Y. already put the pedestrian 1st to a fair extent. But, N.Y. is 400 years old and S.F. was already very dense over 100 years ago.

At that point in time, the city of L.A. was in its infancy. So, it's not fair to compare the two on that basis. The land in L.A. was vast, so L.A. grew outwards. S.F. could only go up. You can't build a city on the bay, but you can build it on the peninsula. Even in S.F. and N.Y., you will still find empty plots of land available for development. But, those opportunities are far and few between in those cities. Generally, in those two cities, shorter buildings or properties will be demolished and larger ones that fully take advantage of the zoning laws will be erected.

To some extent, demolishing shorter buildings in favor of larger ones is beginning to happen in L.A. However, I'm often disappointed with the architecture in these newer larger developments in L.A. I can understand that real estate developers may want to cut costs. However, I cannot understand why any developer would want to build ugly structures that disrespect man's understanding of aesthetics and worldly beauty. Unfortunately, that disrespect is a constant arsenic in the architecture here in L.A. Lack of thought and lack of quality. Lack of respect for the pedestrian and the list goes on and on.

The city started out very well architecturally. I'll point out the Old Bank District and old Los Angeles. But, that architectural style never caught on or carried over past the late 1920s. That's unfortunate because old L.A. has a lot of respect for the pedestrian, community and aesthetics. There were money hungry developers back then too. Just too much land to develop outside of downtown L.A., whereas Manhattan and S.F. had no choice but to build up.

Maybe we can call the current era we live in a renaissance for L.A. and particularly the central parts, downtown and surrounding areas. Well, at least we now know that our downtown isn't a dump not worth saving and that L.A. can be and become a great city if we really force real estate developers to build aesthetically pleasing and pedestrian functional buildings. Oh, and yes I do remember that part of that equation is building the mass transit that will get Angelenos from point A to point B.
I'm confused. You blame the developers in Los Angeles, but yet praise the zoning laws in NY and SF. So, the real question is....is this the fault of developers in Los Angeles or is it he fault of our local zoning laws that encourage minimum parking requirements (NY and SF have maximums, not minimums) and street setbacks (unfortunately, LA requires exemptions from developers so they can make it street fronting). So, who is really the "bad guy" in LA development. Those "money hungry" developers who have to abide by suburban restricted codes and have to fight for exemptions, or the City with it's archaic zoning laws?
     
     
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I'm confused. You blame the developers in Los Angeles, but yet praise the zoning laws in NY and SF. So, the real question is....is this the fault of developers in Los Angeles or is it he fault of our local zoning laws that encourage minimum parking requirements (NY and SF have maximums, not minimums) and street setbacks (unfortunately, LA requires exemptions from developers so they can make it street fronting). So, who is really the "bad guy" in LA development. Those "money hungry" developers who have to abide by suburban restricted codes and have to fight for exemptions, or the City with it's archaic zoning laws?
I didn't know of any street setback rules. Could you explain them?
     
     
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I didn't know of any street setback rules. Could you explain them?
A setback is the distance from the sidewalk to the exterior wall of the building. Many municipalities (mostly the burbs) mandate setbacks. Like many other zoning ordinances, its an artifact of a time when cities were viewed as too dense, dirty, and overpopulated. The solution, planners of the time thought, was a more pastoral landscape. Shorter buildings, further back from the street. More space between buildings. Euclidian separation of uses. Basically, everything that makes the suburbs feel suburban.

If you've ever noticed a useless strip of green in front of a building, often filled with bushes, trees, or mulch, with nary a place to sit...that's a setback.

That's fine for the suburbs, but unfortunately, many of these zoning ordinances were applied indiscriminately to cities as well. In an urban environment, setbacks suck. They prevent things like sidewalk cafes, and make it more difficult to have contiguous rows storefronts, screwing up walkability of neighborhoods.

Sodha is saying that LA mandates setbacks, and that developers must be granted special exceptions to build out to the sidewalk. In other words, suburban by default, urban by exception only. Bleh.
     
     
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A setback is the distance from the sidewalk to the exterior wall of the building. Many municipalities (mostly the burbs) mandate setbacks. Like many other zoning ordinances, its an artifact of a time when cities were viewed as too dense, dirty, and overpopulated. The solution, planners of the time thought, was a more pastoral landscape. Shorter buildings, further back from the street. More space between buildings. Euclidian separation of uses. Basically, everything that makes the suburbs feel suburban.

If you've ever noticed a useless strip of green in front of a building, often filled with bushes, trees, or mulch, with nary a place to sit...that's a setback.

That's fine for the suburbs, but unfortunately, many of these zoning ordinances were applied indiscriminately to cities as well. In an urban environment, setbacks suck. They prevent things like sidewalk cafes, and make it more difficult to have contiguous rows storefronts, screwing up walkability of neighborhoods.

Sodha is saying that LA mandates setbacks, and that developers must be granted special exceptions to build out to the sidewalk. In other words, suburban by default, urban by exception only. Bleh.
Yeah, that's also the mentality in Pasadena too, which always baffles me who stupid some of these people are. They bitch and complain about Downtown Pasadena being "too dense" (far, far from it) and not a peep about the disgusting strip malls and auto dealerships that destroy the built environment just outside of Downtown Pasadena on East Colorado Blvd.

What a damn shame.
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Speaking of pedestrian unfriendly developments in Koreatown, the new Staples store at 6th and New Hampshire is nearing completion. The store occupies the first floor of the Summit condos, which actually has a nice, long storefront and patio on 6th St. Unfortunately, it seems very clear now that Staples will have no pedestrian entrance facing the street.


DSC_0267 par brianhhsu, sur Flickr

To make things worse, the 6th St facade has been covered with tinted panels, obscuring most of the store. Only an emergency exit door has been built. Any customers arriving on foot will be forced to walk through the adjacent Walgreens parking lot to enter the store by the parking area entrance on the other side of the building.


DSC_0268 par brianhhsu, sur Flickr

I'm not sure if Staples was fully in charge of this design, or if it was imposed by the owners of the Summit. Either way, it's a horribly depressing waste of space. Sorry to rant, but as a nearby resident, I'm highly disappointed.
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Speaking of pedestrian unfriendly developments in Koreatown, the new Staples store at 6th and New Hampshire is nearing completion. The store occupies the first floor of the Summit condos, which actually has a nice, long storefront and patio on 6th St. Unfortunately, it seems very clear now that Staples will have no pedestrian entrance facing the street.


DSC_0267 par brianhhsu, sur Flickr

To make things worse, the 6th St facade has been covered with tinted panels, obscuring most of the store. Only an emergency exit door has been built. Any customers arriving on foot will be forced to walk through the adjacent Walgreens parking lot to enter the store by the parking area entrance on the other side of the building.


DSC_0268 par brianhhsu, sur Flickr

I'm not sure if Staples was fully in charge of this design, or if it was imposed by the owners of the Summit. Either way, it's a horribly depressing waste of space. Sorry to rant, but as a nearby resident, I'm highly disappointed.

So sad, it's not the worst thing, but it's pretty bad. Koreatown is surprisingly "quiet" for being one of the most dense areas of the country. Narrow sidewalks, parking lots (like Walgreens), and gas stations like the one at Vermont/Wilshire, etc. make the area pretty darn pedestrian unfriendly too.
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Oh! It is now on the 4th "sail". Does anyone know how many "sails" there will be in total?
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Oh! It is now on the 4th "sail". Does anyone know how many "sails" there will be in total?
Twenty, thirty? What is shown in that picture is a fifth or less of what the whole construction is.

http://www.earthcam.com/clients/lax/?project=cam1&page=pano

The link is a panoramic construction camera of the whole project. As you can see, it's huge.

Fun Fact: At 1.4 billion dollars, the new terminal is the largest public works projects in Los Angeles EVER. Maybe California, too, but I am not sure.
     
     
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