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Old Posted Jan 29, 2011, 8:36 PM
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So essentially, what was the studio portion of CTV was located will only be replaced with an eyesore... called parking spaces. The former CTV location deserves much better then this.
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So essentially, what was the studio portion of CTV was located will only be replaced with an eyesore... called parking spaces. The former CTV location deserves much better then this.
Does that schwarma place on Merivale/Clyde and CD Warehouse stay.....it is pretty shit*ful in terms of street presence (the plan on the rendering).

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Old Posted Jan 30, 2011, 5:06 PM
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Wow now this looks like a nice new condo!! Gotham by Lamb developments!

http://www.lambdevcorp.com/gotham.php
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2011, 8:04 PM
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Looks great, the balconies here are offset and still front on a glass clad facade - like the old cathedral project rendering, that was 'artsy' - but I like it alot in this case.. This is slender and well put together imo, however, hopefully the 18 stories don't pose a serious promise to it's existence... My real question is it in Deans' ward Hopefully not, any ideas on the location? Their is a parcel of land at Gotham private fronting onto merivale that this could fit in, although the houses rendered in do not fit.. ?
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2011, 8:34 PM
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any ideas on the location?
This is a bit of a wild guess, but it looks to be 324-328 Gloucester and 224-226 Lyon:



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Old Posted Jan 30, 2011, 9:52 PM
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This is a bit of a wild guess, but it looks to be 324-328 Gloucester and 224-226 Lyon:
Good catch. I think you're right. A parcel with roughly those dimensions was up for sale at Lyon and Gloucester a few years back. I posted about it somewhere in this forum. For what it's worth, there were two big trucks doing something there this afternoon. It's almost next door to the Richcraft site.

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Old Posted Jan 30, 2011, 10:36 PM
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That is an awesome render.
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2011, 3:57 AM
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Found the reference... If you scroll down this page you'll see that I mentioned the Gloucester and Lyon parcel was listed for 3.2 million back on July 10, 2008. The ad itself is long gone, of course, but that's gotta be it.
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oops wrong thread

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Here comes a HUGE one....The Oblate Order is thinking about selling its property in Ottawa East (next to St Paul University) for redevelopment.



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By Don Butler, The Ottawa Citizen January 30, 2011

One of central Ottawa’s largest parcels of undeveloped land — three-quarters the size of Lansdowne Park — is being readied for eventual sale.

And the property owners, the Ottawa East Community Association and city planners are working together to ensure that when the land is put on the market, any future redevelopment won’t trigger another Westboro-convent-style cat fight.

The Oblate Fathers, a Catholic religious order, owns most of the 12-hectare property on Main Street. Another Catholic order, the Sisters of the Sacred Heart, owns about one hectare of the site.

Much of the land, which adjoins Saint Paul University and is bounded by Springhurst Avenue, Clegg Street and the Rideau River, is now open space. But it also includes the Oblates’ historic Deschatelets Building, constructed in 1885, and a convent of more recent vintage for the nuns.

There’s no timetable yet for the sale of the property. “Developers aren’t anywhere near this project now,” said Jeff Polowin, a spokesman for the Oblates.

But a sale at some point is “inevitable,” said consultant Ted Fobert, who represents the Sisters of the Sacred Heart, because both religious orders are winding down as older members die and aren’t replaced.

“There’s a lot of elderly sisters who are in the building, a lot of them not healthy,” Fobert said. “It’s a question of timing. There’s nothing imminent, but they are preparing for that future.”

Last June, the two religious orders obtained a deferral of a draft community design plan for Ottawa East — in the works since 2006 — so they could work with the community association and the city to devise a mutually acceptable plan for the redevelopment of the lands.

The Oblates and the Sisters hired Bruno St. Jean from Montreal’s DCYSA architects to produce a “demonstration plan” for the property, which will be incorporated in the broader community design plan. It was presented, to generally favourable reviews, to community association members earlier this month.

The demonstration plan envisages 1,300 housing units in townhouses and apartment blocks between four and nine stories tall — enough for 3,000 or more residents. It also calls for retail development along Main Street and the preservation and repurposing of the Deschatelets Building, which the city is expected to designate as a heritage structure.

The plan preserves much of the land as open space, with buildings occupying only about 20 per cent of the site.

The existing tree-lined “grand allée” from Main Street to the Deschatelets Building would remain, though it would be flanked on both sides by four-to-six storey buildings, which would give it a “very European feel,” Fobert said. Public access to the river would be preserved through a 30-metre-wide corridor.

The plan includes some property owned by Saint Paul University — a parking lot now occupied on weekends by the Main Street farmers’ market — which the university would likely trade for some adjacent Oblate land.

Nobody expects the demonstration plan to be implemented intact when the land is actually developed, though Fobert said whatever happens there “will be fairly close.”

Its main purpose is to illustrate how to create “a sustainable community within an existing community,” said Nick Masciantonio, president of the Ottawa East Community Association.

“We’re trying to get in front of the process a bit, because in the development process, there really isn’t a lot of time to react,” he said. “There’s a number of things there that will be taken out of negotiations with a future buyer, we hope.”

If city council agrees, the demonstration plan will form the template for rezoning the land — now zoned for institutional use only — in advance of any sale.

That would make it easier to determine the land’s resale value and add “a level of certainty” about future opportunities on the site, Fobert said.

It also would reduce the likelihood that future developers would propose projects unacceptable to neighbours, as happened at the Soeurs de la Visitation convent site in Westboro, which Ashcroft Homes purchased for $12 million in 2009.

And it would help protect legacy features — including the Deschatelets Building, the grand allée and a small woodlot and Madonna statue — the two religious orders are anxious to preserve.

David Chernushenko, the city councillor for the area, said the collaborative process has been “a leap forward compared with most potential developments in this city.”

Chernushenko’s also impressed with what he’s seen of the demonstration plan. “I look at this and go, wow, what a great opportunity,” he said. “This could be a real showpiece. It’s got sustainability, its got community livability and quality of life written all over it.”

Neighbours remain wary. John Baglow, who lives adjacent to the Oblate lands, said people are “a bit apprehensive. It does make us a bit nervous to think of a 1,300-home development taking the place of a very nice, pristine bit of green space.”

Traffic implications and the height of some apartment blocks worry those who live near the site, Baglow said. Despite that, he isn’t opposed to redevelopment of the property. “I just want to know more and have some safeguards built in.”

Chernushenko has heard concerns about the height of the apartments. However, some of the existing historical buildings are almost as tall, he said. “I would say to the community, ‘keep an open mind.’

“It is Oblate land,” he said. “To some degree, they can do what they want with it. But we all acknowledge that if you choose to take that approach, you waste a lot of time and money on lawyers.”

The two religious orders acknowledge that raking in huge profits at the expense of the surrounding community would be incompatible with their values, Chernushenko said.

At the same time, “they’re thinking of the retirement of their own religious order and being able to support their own aging members. This is about the only source of income. I think it’s possible to have a win-win out of that.”

Masciantonio said the community design plan, including the plan for the Oblate lands, will be presented at an open house in mid-to-late February. If all goes well, it will go to city council in March.

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Old Posted Jan 31, 2011, 6:39 PM
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pretty exciting. i live on main street. this piece of land has incredible potential if it's developed properly. don't understand why 4-9 stories would be 'too tall', but hey it's ottawa. the st. paul university residence is 7 stories tall and 99.9% of the city doesn't even know it exists. 4-9 is perfect scale for this space. i'm glad to hear they are preserving the deschatelets building...it's truly one of the handsomest old buildings in ottawa.
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2011, 7:00 PM
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pretty exciting. i live on main street. this piece of land has incredible potential if it's developed properly. don't understand why 4-9 stories would be 'too tall', but hey it's ottawa. the st. paul university residence is 7 stories tall and 99.9% of the city doesn't even know it exists. 4-9 is perfect scale for this space. i'm glad to hear they are preserving the deschatelets building...it's truly one of the handsomest old buildings in ottawa.
I agree this has great potential and without any formal application it is all just conceptual at this time.

I wish all parties involved all the luck in the world in dealing with the local community association....
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2011, 8:41 PM
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I agree this has great potential and without any formal application it is all just conceptual at this time.

I wish all parties involved all the luck in the world in dealing with the local community association....
People on this forum complaining about local community associations/residents complaining about development/height is just about as predictable as community associations/residents complaining about development/height.

In this case, RTFA:

Its main purpose is to illustrate how to create “a sustainable community within an existing community,” said Nick Masciantonio, president of the Ottawa East Community Association.
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2011, 8:51 PM
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People on this forum complaining about local community associations/residents complaining about development/height is just about as predictable as community associations/residents complaining about development/height.

In this case, RTFA:

Its main purpose is to illustrate how to create “a sustainable community within an existing community,” said Nick Masciantonio, president of the Ottawa East Community Association.
What does 'RTFA' refer to.

I've had personal experience with this Community Association and it wasn't good.

In many ways people in favour of height/density have little common ground with those who want to preserve their neighbourhood the way it is.....
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As others have argued, the city needs to put into clear and legally binding language a minimum density level for new developments. That way, no one's surprised by (OMG) developers' proposals to build anything higher than a bungalow next door. Yes, if I lived close by, I'd wish all of that land would remain open green space, too. And while some public space should be built into the development, keeping the whole thing undeveloped is neither reasonable nor sustainable. Waterloowarrior recently posted a link to this article and I think its focus on low density in the suburbs bears repeating here in this case inside the Greenbelt.

http://communities.canada.com/ottawaciti...-re-not-building-suburbs-any-denser.aspx
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What does 'RTFA' refer to.
Polite version = "Read the Freaking Article"
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Polite version = "Read the Freaking Article"
Thanks...greatly appreciated.
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What does 'RTFA' refer to.
http://www.internetslang.com/RTFA.asp

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I've had personal experience with this Community Association and it wasn't good.

In many ways people in favour of height/density have little common ground with those who want to preserve their neighbourhood the way it is.....
Here's a thought: how about we let the community, the city and the orders come up with something together. Maybe treating neighbours with a modicum of respect might yield better results than belittling them. It can't possibly be worse than the alternative employed by Ashcroft.


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As others have argued, the city needs to put into clear and legally binding language a minimum density level for new developments. That way, no one's surprised by (OMG) developers' proposals to build anything higher than a bungalow next door. Yes, if I lived close by, I'd wish all of that land would remain open green space, too. And while some public space should be built into the development, keeping the whole thing undeveloped is neither reasonable nor sustainable. Waterloowarrior recently posted a link to this article and I think its focus on low density in the suburbs bears repeating here in this case inside the Greenbelt.
How about we start here...

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And let us hope that this is NOT approved as proposed:

http://www.brentcomrealty.com/flyers/1500Merivale.pdf

There's absolutely no danger of the Oblate property being redeveloped at too low a density. No minimum is needed there. It might end up lower than some of the density and height fanatics here might like, but that in of itself doesn't make it too low. The CTV property, on the other hand, well, as we can see above, there is a clear and present danger of too low a density - and in a location where there is a very good opportunity for redevelopment without any of those pesky nimbys to complain about it. The entire Baseline-Clyde-Merivale triangle, being surrounded by commercial and office uses on all sides while being relatively underdeveloped itself, and which will have a major bus corridor running along the north edge, is the sort of location where we should be focusing intensification. It even has many of the retail uses needed to support high density residential and commercial, like grocery stores, pharmacies, banks and restaurants. The single property holding above, since it is so large and touches all three streets, could, if developed properly, be a catalyst for further urbanizing of this suburban area.
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The Gotham looks interesting.
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Yes, Dado, you're right. That proposal is egregious.
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