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gramsjdg · #**721** Posted **Jan 15, 2011, 11:32 PM**

I think the design is rather nice, but it does seem a little bulky (at least in comparison to the buildings around it). I think adding 2-300 ft to the height while maintaining the other dimensions might look pretty neat. Of course the only way to know for sure would be to render it that way.

SD_Phil · #**722** Posted **Jan 15, 2011, 11:38 PM**

I like the bulk. This and the Transbay development in SF look awfully similar but I think Penn Plaza will look better given its context. A really handsome tower.

The North One · #**723** Posted **Jan 20, 2011, 2:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork

mega developments? they'd be practical vertical space if needed, i see no reason why we cant build things like them

http://s3.amazonaws.com/thornton/project_content_images/6345/pingAn_3_zoom.jpg

http://www.trendir.com/ultra-modern/shanghai-tower-1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5kF3eQnK-Mg/TAlDfgM91kI/AAAAAAAAAlI/Y_brkeREmT8/s1600/seoul.jpg

only if NYC needed them ofcourse

It boggles my mind that these cities that have plenty of room in the main downtown area to expand with smaller skyscrapers but new york city with manhattan island that is full to the gill can't get a skyscraper that tall.

by the way that last one looks really nice, what is it called?

STR · #**724** Posted **Jan 20, 2011, 3:17 AM**

^I'm not sure whether that last one resembles male or female genitals more.

Roadcruiser1 · #**725** Posted **Jan 20, 2011, 3:51 AM**

A male object doing something really nasty, and spraying a nasty substance into the sky. That's what it looks like.

STR · #**726** Posted **Jan 20, 2011, 4:20 AM**

Yes...the overall structure looks like that, but the facade says something else.

I'll leave it at that.

NYguy · #**727** Posted **Jan 20, 2011, 4:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by The North One

It boggles my mind that these cities that have plenty of room in the main downtown area to expand with smaller skyscrapers but new york city with manhattan island that is full to the gill can't get a skyscraper that tall.

In New York, they don't build for height. There are specific reasons why this new crop of proposals in Manhattan are as tall as the are (NY hadn't built supertalls since the original WTC was built back in the early 70's). In fact, outside of New York, only Chicago really built supertalls. The new crop of supertalls around the world are primarily symbols, eonomic or otherwise. Outside of the new WTC, which obviously has specific symbolism, that's not the way they do it here anymore.

But let's not stray further off course.

RobertWalpole · #**728** Posted **Jan 20, 2011, 12:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by STR

^I'm not sure whether that last one resembles male or female genitals more.

Female definitely, but one can convincingly argue that it's a hermaphrodite.

Busy Bee · #**729** Posted **Jan 20, 2011, 8:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by STR

^I'm not sure whether that last one resembles male or female genitals more.

Neither. It's clearly an streamlined dildo.

Lecom · #**730** Posted **Jan 20, 2011, 8:48 PM**

I say female...

CoolCzech · #**731** Posted **Jan 21, 2011, 12:19 AM**

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I say female...

What species?

scalziand · #**732** Posted **Jan 21, 2011, 4:20 AM**

I say it's a can of worms that STR opened up.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork · #**733** Posted **Jan 21, 2011, 4:28 AM**

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I say it's a can of worms that STR opened up.

i was thinking the exact same thing.

NYguy · #**734** Posted **Jan 21, 2011, 5:41 AM**

^ It's a slow day.

This tower will enhance the value of surrounding properties, inluding the much talked about air rights over MSG...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/247698-j...-icon-that-could-go-private-at-a-premium

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Can you describe the company’s competitive environment?

Widely heralded as the world's most famous arena, and now trading as an independent entity on the New York Stock Exchange, MSG however is much more than a venue to view sports and entertainment. It owns a number of other trophy properties including the New York Knickerbockers basketball team and the New York Rangers hockey team, the MSG cable network, a long-term lease on Radio City Music Hall, the Beacon Theatre and the Chicago Theatre. In addition, it owns the building and land that houses Madison Square Garden, as well as valuable transferable air rights associated with the property.

It should be noted that MSG's owned real estate on the west side of Manhattan sits in the middle of a collection of properties assembled by Vornado (VNO), a major developer and owner of real estate in the northeast. The section of Manhattan where Madison Square Garden is situated is one of the last areas in midtown Manhattan that has not been gentrified.

Earlier this year, Vornado gained zoning approval to raze the 90-year-old Hotel Pennsylvania and build a skyscraper of up to 1,198 feet, making it potentially one of the tallest buildings in NYC. This site is directly across from Madison Square Garden. In all likelihood the zoning approval has significantly enhanced the value of MSG's air/development rights.

In our opinion, Madison Square Garden owns a collection of one-of-a-kind assets that would be virtually impossible to replicate. With only 20,000 seats available in a city of eight million people, almost every major event is a sellout. In addition, the company has great pricing power and has demonstrated this even during the most difficult economic times.

BStyles · #**735** Posted **Jan 21, 2011, 8:12 PM**

Even if they were to demolish MSG, I think all they'd do is build a bigger, larger stadium right where it was with more or less the same design.

Dac150 · #**736** Posted **Jan 21, 2011, 8:55 PM**

Selling the air rights to developers for neighboring properties is one thing, but frankly I don’t anticipate the arena being razed anytime soon. Based on the attitude of its owners in recent times, I get the impression that it is here to stay and will undergo modifications as needed. I don’t necessarily agree with that considering for a city of this stature, this is the venue it has to offer the world. With so much development coming out of the woodwork in the immediate area, you never know down the line what incentives these guys will get to forfeit this site for better and more suited development.

Lecom · #**737** Posted **Jan 21, 2011, 8:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by BStyles

Even if they were to demolish MSG, I think all they'd do is build a bigger, larger stadium right where it was with more or less the same design.

Though the MSG's owners are cheap greedy douches and would love to build something like you described, the city simply wouldn't allow such a waste of this incredibly prime space. If anything, that's why 15 Penn is allowed to go up where it is - due to its proximoty to the Penn Station - and the ESB, nimbies and Hotel Pennsylvania be damned. If the MSG were to be demolished, I bet the city would require a major office/retail/cultural component in addition to the arena.

Dac150 · #**738** Posted **Jan 21, 2011, 9:01 PM**

^^^ That should be an absolute given. The true value in this land is not the land itself but the goldmine that is Penn Station which is situated directly below. It’s equivalent to buying up large areas of wide open land for the oil that lurks below it.

Lecom · #**739** Posted **Jan 21, 2011, 9:14 PM**

Hmm, that's a great comparison - the whole oil well thing. I may have to use it someday.

Mr. Lion · #**740** Posted **Jan 21, 2011, 10:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Lecom

Though the MSG's owners are cheap greedy douches and would love to build something like you described, the city simply wouldn't allow such a waste of this incredibly prime space. If anything, that's why 15 Penn is allowed to go up where it is - due to its proximity to the Penn Station - and the ESB, nimbies and Hotel Pennsylvania be damned. If the MSG were to be demolished, I bet the city would require a major office/retail/cultural component in addition to the arena.

I agree. The city realizes the mistake of letting them build this atrocity all those decades ago. As development in the area accelerates the MSQ will begin to stand out in this sea of new development. I personally like this plan, but it appears to have no arena element.