Quote:
Originally Posted by GeeCee
Both sides are being idiotic.
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadian Mind
I'm pretty sure in time an agreement would have been signed, but we did the right thing not succumbing to blackmail. Even if we were to give them more landing rights down the road, it would have been spineless and made us look domestically weak to allow ourselves to be pushed around by such a punitive nation.
And frankly, even with the original fiasco, U.A.E. was well within their rights too. But escalating it the way they have after we already met the terms of 1 of the options they presented us is outlandish.
But, better to be dignified and ignore them then to do anything else. What's the worst that'll happen?
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by whatnext
What card are you playing, when you put the interest of some despot's pet airline above Canada's perceived national interests? The overreaction on this issue has all been on the side of the UAE, who I suppose are used to countries rolling over for them. Trouble is, they really don't have anything Canada needs. The trade figures you mention are insignificant. If you're looking for a trade issue to get worked up about, look into how US environmental interests are looking to block shipments of Canadian oil from the West Coast, something that will do us far more lasting damage than some camel jockeys throwing a hissy fit.
Ottawa granted Qatar expanded air rights, after only three days of negotiations which shows they are willing to deal with reasonable requests from the region. This is a "no lose" issue for the Tories. |
A synthesis, for me, would be this:
1: Would allowing Emirates unlimited access to Toronto, as seems its main goal in Canada, plus perhaps dailies to Vancouver and Calgary, cut into Air Canada's revenues, or not?
If yes, by how much, in your estimation.
2: Does Emirates (and this is vital to know) sell tickets at
sub-par prices, thereby
luring and siphoning off traffic that would otherwise go with Air Canada?
Is Dubai, as a destination hub, located such that (presumably) Europe or Asia-bound passengers would find it worthwhile routing through Dubai,? Is the polar route not more direct, anyway?
And if this is the case, can it be presumed that Emirates' fares are markedly lower?
>> Is then not therefore a
core issue -
the Dubai state subvention of Emirates?
Also,
which destination markets would it serve from Canada, other than a destination in and of itsef? >>>>> (Oil industry people might use it, especially out of Calgary, but that would be for Dubai and the UAE themselves,and involve a largely specific market).
3: If none of the above are the case,
then which markets would Canada lose passengers - and money - to? And therefore where is the threat to our economy?
4: People have mentioned future routes to
Delhi and other cities in India as possibilites in the not-too-distant future. Given that direct service there is both very possible (from YVR, anyway, as Air India already serves Toronto, I believe), is this the market (india) that people who reject the entry of Emirtes (and neighbours) are protecting?
In summum, can anybody explain the refusal of Emirates request for increased Canadian access? What is their
intense interest in getting further access? What are their goals? What are Canada's potential losses?
Never mind their arm-twisting. They're playing hardball>
What is to win, and what is at stake?? >>> Explanations?
Prev
info request
Where's THAT Wikileak when you need it!
Linear Mode
