Winnipeg Jets

[1ajs]

was it not atlanta in the begining and we all got sidetracked by pheanix

[roccerfeller]

shhh 1ajs dont get the ATL fans in a rut

They don't believe it until its "official"


(we all know that, logically, TNSE isnt doing all this stuff for an AHL team)

[h0twired]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

was it not atlanta in the begining and we all got sidetracked by pheanix

I think it was also Nashville for a while too.

[rrskylar]

Coincidence or does the Freep get stories from this thread?

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...113260454.html

[drew]

^ Probably not, but there are a few members of this board that also post on the Jets Owner Forum. So anything you get here, was posted on that forum previously.

[North of 49]

Anyone want to start a survey on if and when an NHL franchise will relocate to the old Peg?

[rrskylar]

11,109, for tonights game involving the Coyotes, surprisingly the game wasn't in Phoenix but in hockey hotbed Columbus.

[Tower Crane]

Originally Posted by North of 49

Anyone want to start a survey on if and when an NHL franchise will relocate to the old Peg?

My guess is the wheels need to be in motion for 2 years prior of a team moving due to arena & ticket committments, other legalities, etc. etc. so........that takes us to 2013 or 2014 at best.

[1ajs]

yes but we have been going for several yrs now

[RTD]

Originally Posted by Tower Crane

My guess is the wheels need to be in motion for 2 years prior of a team moving due to arena & ticket committments, other legalities, etc. etc. so........that takes us to 2013 or 2014 at best.

There is a good chance this has all been taken care of for the most part by TNSE, considering they were a penstroke away from signing the papers that would have brought the Coyotes to Winnipeg back in May of 2010 for the beginning of the 2010/2011 season. I believe they would be good to go for next season.

[rrskylar]

And some thought selling municipal bonds was a slam dunk, hello C of G


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...kruptcies.html

an excerpt; " “If you are an investor in municipals you should be very, very careful,” Dimon said at the conference."

What are municipal bonds?

Answer: A municipality, such as the City of Glendale, will sell (issue)
bonds primarily to finance capital projects. This is similar to a family taking out a mortgage in
order to finance a house. Just like a family, the city has basic necessities (infrastructure) like
roads and office buildings, giving a multi-millionaire $160 so he can buy a floundering hockey team, etc. but usually does not have cash available for such major purchases.
Municipal bonds are like loans that help make large, important purchases affordable. Bonds also
effectively spread out the costs of major projects across their useful life, so all those citizens who
utilize them can help pay for them

[roccerfeller]

^ I wonder how much lower these bonds will fall in Market value


Everyone is predicting doom & gloom for these things (the Municipal Bonds) down in the States

Prob not good for a small city like Glendale, regardless of their credit rating...

[roccerfeller]

...

One study shows Glendale would collect exactly enough parking revenue to cover the debt if the bonds are sold with a 6 percent interest rate, the rate that Glendale's financial advisor Art Lynch predicted.

The other study shows Glendale would fall short.

....

The council was not provided copies.

The gist of the conversation, Martinez said, was "this is the money we needed in order to complete the transaction."

"I don't remember seeing any actual analysis itself," he said.

Martinez said the discussion with staff was sufficient for him to vote for the deal.

Martinez said it didn't occur to him to ask staff to post the reports publicly. He said the information is available to anyone who files a public-records request.

When asked if the public was informed enough before the vote, Martinez said, "You'd have to ask the public what they think."

Clark and Lieberman, the only council members to vote against it, said they wished they had seen the full studies to draw their own conclusions.

"I would have debated it on the spot," Lieberman said.

Clark said the discussion was "in-depth," but she only remembers hearing about the study produced by Phoenix consultant TL Hocking & Associates that showed Glendale could afford the deal.

The study with lower numbers was issued by national parking analyst Walker Parking Consultants.

"We never even heard about the Walker report," Clark said. "We were never given that information."

If council had seen the research, she said, "we would have had an opportunity to question, based on the studies, and ask staff why they thought the Hocking study was sufficient."

Lieberman and Clark said the public should have seen the studies ahead of the vote, as well.

"Information is critical," Clark said. "I believe in as much disclosure as possible."

Goldwater attorney Carrie Ann Sitren said residents deserved to know how city officials constructed the agreement in time to weigh in with their elected leaders.

Frisoni said Glendale took steps "to ensure all involved understood the key aspects of the agreement." Four days before the vote, the city posted the agreement with Hulsizer on the council-meeting agenda along with a fact sheet with key points of the agreement. City staff then gave an hour-plus presentation at the council meeting about the arrangement.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...#ixzz1B28Vc61Z

[North of 49]

In Arizona, there
s hoping that a high canadian dollar will equate to higher attendance due to snow birds wintering down in the sunbelt.

[rrskylar]

Here are the basics of the real Glendale arena parking study not to be confused with the positive 9 page report by a guy named Billy written on serviettes that Glendale city council ran with.


Less optimistic

• Produced by Walker Parking Consultants, a national parking-advisory firm, that has studied Jobing.com Arena parking since 2009.

• 112 pages.

• Assumes 11,500 to 14,500 Coyotes fans per game.

• If Coyotes attendance grew, Glendale could collect $89 million from parking fees after expenses in the first 25 years.

• If hockey crowds remain flat, Glendale parking collections would total $60 million over 25 years.

• Shows Glendale would not have enough money over 30 years to pay off its debt at the likely interest rate.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...#ixzz1B4aYiV3l

[rrskylar]

More info.:

http://www.azcentral.com/community/g....html#comments

[rrskylar]

Love the comments section in the AZ Republic like this:



wow, 9000+ announced spectators today at jobless.com after the Coyotes big media barrage on 3 different TV stations last night and Mulsi's visit to Glendale. This is nothing short of pathetic for a top 5 team in the conference playing an NHL game on a holiday. Thank you for our team back.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coyo...#ixzz1BMKMMBpz

[The Jabroni]

Man, it's a sh*tstorm in their comments section right now.

However, BOTH sides are being childish over this issue. We'll just let the "dumb" people argue, while we wise folks wait and see what happens. In the end, we'll let the natural course of the universe happen, as is, regardless of the outcome.

[rrskylar]

Looks like another huge crowd for the Coyotes in Glendale at Jobless.com arena:

http://twitpic.com/3rbedy/full

Hard to believe they can't draw fans with a team 4th in the standings in the western conf.

[roccerfeller]

^ not to mention the announced attendance numbers are inflated

we're coming into the halfway point of home games...I see that escrow money being needed now...