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markbarbera · #**3261** Posted **Jan 6, 2011, 7:33 PM**

Burlington council has voted 5-2 in favour of directing staff to report back on Aldershot stadium proposal. Burlington City Staff to present preliminary report on Jan 18.

Meanwhile, Hamilton Chamber of Commerce issues a 'call to action to it's membership to contact Hamilton Ciy Council and pressure them to keep the Ticats and Pan Am in the city instead of letting it slip away to Burlington.

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...stadium-report

Hear that whooshing sound? That's the sound of Hamilton's opportunity to shine during the Pan Am Games as well as a chance to gain a subsidized new CFL-grade stadium go swirling down the toilet.

realcity · #**3262** Posted **Jan 6, 2011, 8:13 PM**

From that location you can see the West Harbour... lol

realcity · #**3263** Posted **Jan 6, 2011, 8:23 PM**

Why is the AIC Stadium only 22,000? I hope it can be expanded to 32,000 or it will never host the Grey Cup.

Jon Dalton · #**3264** Posted **Jan 6, 2011, 8:50 PM**

I'm amazed anyone takes the Paletta / Mitchell offer at face value. It's numbers pulled out of someone's ass. Council voted to get a report which will consist of 'questions to be answered' meanwhile Hostco needs a firm commitment. Aldershot isn't the only shot, or even a long shot. It's just shot.

markbarbera · #**3265** Posted **Jan 6, 2011, 9:08 PM**

Will the Bulldogs follow the Ticats down the road?

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Bulldogs could be persuaded to move to Aldershot

Don’t write off the Hamilton Bulldogs’ interest in a new arena in Aldershot just yet.

“If somebody approaches me and says we have a 9,000-seat building and would like an anchor tenant, of course I’d consider it,” says team owner Michael Andlauer.

As part of a proposed development that would include a new stadium for the Hamilton Tiger-Cats, Angelo Paletta has included an arena. Any such building would need a team of some kind.

Andlauer says he actually looked at the site a couple years ago when he was exploring the idea of building an arena in Burlington. With its proximity to the highway and the GO station, he calls it a “site of the future.”

Further, he says moving the team there wouldn’t go against his commitment to keep the team in the Hamilton area.

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...e-to-aldershot

dennis1 · #**3266** Posted **Jan 6, 2011, 9:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by thurmas

Being from Winnipeg what I don't understand is why does Burlington pay nothing and Hamilton had to pay what $50-60 million. Also why is the latest proposal only seat 22,000 that is way too small. The ti-cats average over 23,000 just last year at Ivor Wynn. With a new stadium there is the novelty of a new facility which always draws more fans the first few years why would the ti-cats do this. If Bob Young was smarter he should have leaked this propsal to Burlington a few months ago so atleast they could study it in secret because Hamilton kept changing it's mind on sites. I was siding with Young for awhile but looking back I was wrong both sides have really messed this up. WH wouldn't have killed the ti-cats because of poor signage or parking they would have done well. The city though in it's indecision and waffling on various sites is also to blame.

Thurmas they trying to pull a leafs. They can charge more for tickets with less seats.

realcity · #**3267** Posted **Jan 6, 2011, 10:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by markbarbera

Will the Bulldogs follow the Ticats down the road?

holy crap!!! What's going on?????

matt602 · #**3268** Posted **Jan 6, 2011, 10:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by realcity

holy crap!!! What's going on?????

They're testing the waters after seeing how easily the Tiger Cats were able to push city council around. If we had stood firm on the Ti-Cats and insisted upon West Harbor from day one, I guarantee the Bulldogs would have kept quiet. They are taking advantage of a weakness.

realcity · #**3269** Posted **Jan 6, 2011, 10:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by matt602

They're testing the waters after seeing how easily the Tiger Cats were able to push city council around. If we had stood firm on the Ti-Cats and insisted upon West Harbor from day one, I guarantee the Bulldogs would have kept quiet. They are taking advantage of a weakness.

o right another bluff. let's call this "bluff" too.

matt602 · #**3270** Posted **Jan 6, 2011, 10:29 PM**

It's either a bluff or an incredible coincidence that they are saying so in the midst of what is going on.

I can guarantee they won't be any more successful in Burlington than they were in Hamilton. If anything worse, as they will be moving even closer into Leafs territory where the fan base is less likely to care about AHL hockey.

thurmas · #**3271** Posted **Jan 6, 2011, 10:53 PM**

If the bulldogs leave too that leaves the Hammer with no sport teams at all and a aging empty copps coliseum and ivor wynn. For a city over 700,000 that might be a first.

dennis1 · #**3272** Posted **Jan 6, 2011, 11:00 PM**

real city this burlington deadl will not get done, its already Jan 06.

BCTed · #**3273** Posted **Jan 7, 2011, 2:29 AM**

City Hall should have been moved to Burlington instead of being renovated.

fenwick16 · #**3274** Posted **Jan 7, 2011, 2:35 AM**

I think it would be great if Burlington and Hamilton just amalgamated. When I first lived in Hamilton in the early 80's most people considered it to be a suburb of Hamilton. But maybe now more people in Burlington commute to Mississauga and Toronto, than Hamilton. I have mixed feelings on the Aldershot site. It is a good location but I wouldn't consider it to be closely connected to Hamilton either sentimentally or physically.

flar · #**3275** Posted **Jan 7, 2011, 2:56 AM**

Amalgamation would have been the smart thing a long time ago, and almost did happen, but could never happen now. Many people in Burlington moved there to escape Hamilton. Over the last thirty years, the majority of business and industry has located in Burlington. It's the low tax, no baggage version of Hamilton.

I can't think of another sizable Canadian metro that has had its central core sucked dry by its suburbs to the extent Hamilton has.

It comes down to a class issue, the economic divisions are too stark. Many of Hamilton's core neighbourhoods have median household incomes less then $40,000 while the Mountain, Dundas, Ancaster, Flamborough, Stoney Creek, Aldershot and Burlington are all over $70,000.

realcity · #**3276** Posted **Jan 7, 2011, 3:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by BCTed

City Hall should have been moved to Burlington instead of being renovated.

we'd probably be better-off if Burlington amalgamated FlamCasterDasWestdale, and the rest of Hamilton turned into a new municipality called "Lincoln" with Grimsby, West Lincoln, Beamsville and Vineland.. all the way to Niagara Region's border.

And give Glanbrook to Haldimand. Get rid of this dying city, and our 20-year member, re-elected council that buried a once great city.

Everyone is predicting that soon we'll be done with steel-making. Our lower city is losing population... ala Detroit, Buffalo, and Cleveland. We only look good on census because of our fringe towns. I'd like to see a census of the former lower city, that would pretty much say what's going on.

Boarded-up buildings are happening on Barton and around the Rheem factory (thanks to Fred buying them on our behalf). The crap hole of our IV and Main East downtown is a murder-zone and former quality stores now sell dope paraphernalia and porn. Where is World of Books? That was the best newsstand and magstand in the City. I think it sells bongs now.

It's been like 5 years since the OPP closed the SandBar and the City still owns.... still vacant. Who do you think will buy the Connaught then? It could be for sale for $1 and I doubt anyone would buy it unless the City offered 10 years of tax-free incentives. A Connaught buer would get hit with 2 years tax arrears from a bankrupt corp and instantly hit with out $150,000 in property tax. No One will ever buy the Connaught unless they get a sweetheart deal like the Lister.

This city is dying a slow death. I wish it wasn'. Sorry to say, I don't and haven't seen any improvement since 1990.

realcity · #**3277** Posted **Jan 7, 2011, 3:22 AM**

I would like to add, the largest employers in Cleveland (USA's 3rd poorest city, after Buffalo and Detroit) are healthcare and Walmart. Walmart! can you believe that? That's only because healthcare is private industry, or else Walmart would be the #1 private employer.

Seems like Hamilton is heading that way.

fenwick16 · #**3278** Posted **Jan 7, 2011, 4:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by realcity

This city is dying a slow death. I wish it wasn'. Sorry to say, I don't and haven't seen any improvement since 1990.

This is why Bob Young should have encouraged the city to go with the West Harbour site (or the city might have given more consideration to the Confederation Park site since it is also within the older urban core). Locating new development in newer parts of the city will continue to destroy the urban core. Would property tax have been higher at the West Harbour location and were the Tigercats responsible for the stadium property tax?

Jon Dalton · #**3279** Posted **Jan 7, 2011, 6:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by markbarbera

Will the Bulldogs follow the Ticats down the road?

What road? The road to nowhere or the road that doesn't exist? I'm sure you realize at least by now, that Burlington has no chance in hell.

bigguy1231 · #**3280** Posted **Jan 7, 2011, 8:21 AM**

Did anyone care to read some of the comments made by Ian Troop today. The Burlington proposal has the same deadline as Hamilton's. The city of Hamilton has first right of refusal. If the city of Hamilton goes with the smaller stadium the Burlington proposal is dead.

Troop also said that after Feb 1 the only proposals that would be considered would be from the 3 plan B cities already under consideration. Markham, Brampton and Mississauga. Burlington will not be considered.