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I believe they've slowed down because they're putting up the safety cocoon.
     
     
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I'm actually going to be tweaking 4WTC in the next week to better reflect the latest info on it. I'll be finishing up the core, the ground level (including the fancy retail lobby on Church St.), and modifying the glass as 4WTC is designed to be especially reflective to minimize the appearance of the floors.
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^STR I'm loving the hunt. Everyday I check these threads and then check your models thread, and every one I go to always has a render the other doesn't!

It'll be nice once this one starts taking off again. It's hard to believe that the shortest building of the 4 WTC towers is the height of our tallest building with our 3rd tallest stacked on top! These are monsters!
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^Yeah, I'm kinda playing around with y'all. I do end up putting everything in the model thread, but it might take up to a day or two since I like to do them in bunches.
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I don't understand how so many people in this thread equate "bland" and "featureless" with "classy" and "elegant".

This is just another towering box with virtually no features or imagination.
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Minimalism does not mean no thought was put into it. Maki and team have actually gone to great lengths to try and make a 975 foot tall building disappear. To lump it in with a modernist cube built for economy would be like comparing Seagram or Inland Steel to 55 Water St.

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World Trade Center Tower 4,New York
Maki and Associates with R.A. Heintges & Associates

Designing the new towers now rising at the World Trade Center site was a daunting task. On the one hand, you have the relatively straightforward program of an office building with a retail component in the podium. On the other, the weight of a site that holds a powerful emotional charge in the national psyche. Fulfilling the former while honoring the latter creates a dichotomy of purpose prickly enough to befuddle the most sensitive of architectural talents. This is doubly true of Tower 4, which sits directly across Greenwich Street from the center’s memorial, Reflecting Absence. To respond to this conundrum, Maki and Associates set their sights on refining the building’s envelope to a point of ethereality, removing it from the appearance of any association with making and spending money. “We had a moral responsibility to the public to deliver a spiritual design,” said Gary Kamemoto, Maki’s director on the project. “We decided to use a very minimal vocabulary, to create something very abstract that would allow the tower to have a quiet presence of dignity and serenity.”

The architects did not stop at minimalism. “As we travel back and forth to New York, we are always struck by three towers on the skyline—the Empire State, the Chrysler, and Citicorp,” continued Kamemoto. “They have a sparkling metallic materiality that shines in the otherwise drab mass of buildings. They make us feel a certain optimism that we thought would be appropriate for the World Trade Center site.”

Maki began by creating a very simple, sculptural form for the 65-story, 550,000-square-foot building—in plan, a parallelogram chiseled away at the top to form a trapezoidal crown with two cutout corners running the entire height. To achieve a Brancusi-like abstraction on the surface of this volume, the architects, along with facade consultant R. A. Heintges and Associates and wall manufacturer Benson, designed an extremely reflective curtain wall module with no spandrel. Structurally glazed, the assembly of 5-foot-wide by 13-foot-6-inch-high unitized panels creates an abstract grid that completely hides the building’s floor plates and confuses any reading of scale.

Pulling this off involved a few unusual details. For one, the team worked with Dow Corning to develop a coating for the glass that would deliver the right metallic sheen. At 40 percent reflectivity—an anomaly in this day of super-transparent glass envelopes—the insulated glass units deliver impressive energy performance by casting off heat loading from the sun. Secondly, the lack of spandrel required the use of a touch mullion, which is a horizontal mullion that extends between the floor plate and the back of the glass. Though it plays no structural role, it does satisfy local fire code, which demands that both the top and bottom of a slab reach the exterior wall. Finally, Leslie E. Robertson Associates’ structural design puts only four massive columns at the perimeter, leaving the corners cantilevered and a jaw-dropping 80-foot clear span across the face of the building. While this was good for opening up a lot of free wall space, it also created significant differential movement that the skin had to be able to absorb. The team responded with a 1.75-inch horizontal joint in the curtain wall that can open to as much as three inches.

At the building’s podium, which houses the office lobby and retail space, Maki switched to a different skin. While unearthly abstraction worked for the tower, at the ground he wanted something more tactile and architectonic. There, transparent laminated glass modules are supported by a stick-built system of 3-inch-by-12-inch solid steel mullions. The system is robust enough to meet the World Trade Center’s stringent blast requirements, but its Miesian detailing keeps it elegant and provides a satisfying foundation for the luminous tower. “It’s a simple move,” explained Kamemoto. “You use a different modulation from the tower and it makes the base look special, makes it stand out.”
Tower 4 is the only building that's trying to deviate from 7WTC's glass. I've only begun to really experiment with something that recreates what they're talking about.
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I don't understand how so many people in this thread equate "bland" and "featureless" with "classy" and "elegant".

This is just another towering box with virtually no features or imagination.
The second NYGuy leaves it seems everyone is hatin' on NYC skyscrapers. I think we should reserve judgments for when it is finished.
     
     
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As long as it's all civil, there's nothing wrong with judging buildings at any stage IMO. Without critical reviews, this forum would be nothing but raw construction pics and replies like "yay good progress!"
     
     
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I don't understand how so many people in this thread equate "bland" and "featureless" with "classy" and "elegant".

This is just another towering box with virtually no features or imagination.
would you consider these "bland' and "featureless"?


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^The World Trade Center twin towers, much like WTC Tower 4 are indeed featureless, and are purposefully so. The whole point was for the facade details to fade away with distance, reducing the buildings to scaleless abstract art.
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God is in the details. A tower with a simple massing and look can either be beautiful or ugly depending on the materials and finishes. 7 WTC is a "plain box", yet I doubt that many would classify it as "ugly".


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^The World Trade Center twin towers, much like WTC Tower 4 are indeed featureless, and are purposefully so. The whole point was for the facade details to fade away with distance, reducing the buildings to scaleless abstract art.
When it comes to design philosophy, 4WTC is the closest to the original Twin Towers - simple design by a Japanese architect that presents a simple, yet timeless shape, adorned with minimal yet tastefully done details.

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Reminds me of 599 Lexington Avenue in Midtown.
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If you appreciated the simplicity and boldness of the former buildings, then you can appreciate the architectural significance of this building. If the other way around, then I can see why this building wouldn’t receive good reviews.

Sometimes a building doesn’t need flashy elements to be significant and elegant. That holds true for this building as it does for WTC 7.
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^The window frames on this building will be only 1.75 inches wide, that's half the usual gap, and less than half the 4" frame/tracks in Tower 1. Individual panes will become hard to see a block away, with the reflective coating on the outside this thing will be a giant mirror.
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Minimalism does not mean no thought was put into it.
I never said there was no thought put into this building, there was just minimal thought put into it, hence the word minimalism.

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Maki and team have actually gone to great lengths to try and make a 975 foot tall building disappear.
And that's a good thing?
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