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'Need for speed' creates havoc on 401

By LARRY CORNIES of the London Free Press

Highway 401 Widening complete between Woodstock and K-W (6 lanes from 402 to 410)

A very interesting read. I've always hated traveling on the 401 between Woodstock and K-W. With the new 6-lane facility now open with a concrete median, it should be a more pleasurable drive for motorists (although still quite
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Link: http://www.lfpress.com/comment/2010/12/03/16421491.html

Construction zone along Highway 401 in May 2010




WOODSTOCK - Over the past four weeks, they've gradually disappeared: the dump trucks, graders, pavers and stripers. Except for a few crowning touches that will wait until spring, the massive construction project on a 20-kilometre stretch of Hwy. 401 just east of Woodstock is finally finished.

The initiative has taken more than two years and cost millions. But like a giant angioplasty, it has opened the thoroughfare to at least three lanes in each direction along a continuous stretch from the terminus of Hwy. 402 in south London to just east of Toronto.

Completion of the road widening and its now-continuous concrete barrier is a welcome relief to anyone who must travel that stretch frequently. The 401, which on a typical weekday resembles a fast-moving warehouse more than an auto route, is a freeway in constant search of its own limits.

Occasionally, those limits become all too apparent. Such was the case in the early 1990s. As just-in-time delivery became standard practice in the manufacturing and logistics industries, traffic on the highway, especially trucks lugging 53-foot trailers, grew at an astonishing rate.

Those dramatic increases in traffic flow combined with the highway's narrow, open medians to produce a death toll that was nearly unprecedented. Median crossovers were a particular problem and caused dozens of deaths, especially in the stretch between Woodstock and London. Newspaper editorials and letter writers railed against the increasingly dangerous conditions. The province accelerated its improvement plans.

As the scope of the problem became increasingly clear, the province's Transportation Ministry installed rumble strips and erected a permanent concrete barrier along the especially troublesome section, where the grassy median in some places was as narrow as nine metres.

On the newly completed section, the median (already 15 metres wide) wasn't so much the problem as was capacity, according to Michael Swim, an engineer in the Ministry of Transportation's highway planning and design team for West Region. Spurred by industrial growth along the 401 corridor in Oxford and Middlesex counties, the freeway was dealing with "capacity issues" that required additional lanes to reduce "rear-enders and sideswipes," he says.

There are limits, however, to what engineers can do to protect us from ourselves.

As a piece of utilitarian infrastructure, Hwy. 401 works well. The most significant remaining variable in the complex mathematical formula that defines motoring safety on the country's busiest thoroughfare is speed. In short, we're addicted to it.

Never mind the hand-held talkers and texters, who appear unfazed by recent regulations to stem their distraction. Forget the measures intended to impose a maximum speed on trucks at 105 km/h through the use of limiters. It's still the issue of speed, often combined with aggressive driving, that's the major danger out there.

The problem of speed is, in fact, two-fold. First, the posted 100-km/h limit has been rendered meaningless. Observe that limit strictly, even in the right-hand lane, and you become a moving hazard. Even police vehicles on routine business far exceed the posted limit, which seems to serve only the purpose of increasing fines and demerit-point losses when speeders are tagged with going, say, 130 km/h - which may be 30 over the limit but only 10 or 15 above the rate at which traffic is actually moving.

The second aspect of the speed problem is uniformity of movement. On the wildest of days, there can be a 40-km/h (or more) differential between the slowest and fastest motorists on the highway. That disparity leads to aggressive driving and lane changes that wouldn't occur if everyone observed more uniform speeds.

What enforcement of speed limits does exist appears to be checkered: Along the Windsor-Toronto corridor, speed traps are more common in Waterloo Region, Oxford County and Chatham-Kent, for example, than in Essex, Elgin and Middlesex counties.

To mangle some Shakespeare: The fault, dear Brutus, is not in the highway, but in ourselves. While roadway engineers continue to deal with the daunting problem of keeping up with capacity, the biggest remaining step we can take to make the 401 a less intimidating beast would be to address the speed issue unambiguously.

That means a maximum speed of 110 and zero tolerance for those who exceed it. Many U.S. states apply the zero-tolerance rule; there's no reason we can't.

Those measures would accomplish at least as much as the perennial reconstruction we're tempted to believe is the ultimate answer.
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Excellent! So now I think the only place that isn't 6 lanes (between Windsor and Toronto anyway) is the stretch between Tilbury and London.
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Excellent! So now I think the only place that isn't 6 lanes (between Windsor and Toronto anyway) is the stretch between Tilbury and London.
Correct. The next stretches of the 401 to be widened from 4 to 6 lanes are the 401 / Windsor-Essex Parkway connection in Windsor and between Highway 4 and 402 in London.

As part of the widening in London, the Highway 4 / 401 interchange will be completely reconstructed (I believe it the last remaining cloverleaf on the 401, and one of the last on the 400-series) and a new junction with Wonderland Road will be constructed. The old Westminster Drive overpass will have to be replaced too, and some consider it to be a historic bridge.

According to the MTO, the project won't begin until at least 2015, but the City of London could pressure them to at least build the Wonderland junction before then. This stretch is also planned to get resurfaced in 2012 which means the actual widening probably won't happen for some time.. what's the point of ripping up asphalt still in decent condition?
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The problem of speed is, in fact, two-fold. First, the posted 100-km/h limit has been rendered meaningless. Observe that limit strictly, even in the right-hand lane, and you become a moving hazard. Even police vehicles on routine business far exceed the posted limit, which seems to serve only the purpose of increasing fines and demerit-point losses when speeders are tagged with going, say, 130 km/h - which may be 30 over the limit but only 10 or 15 above the rate at which traffic is actually moving.

The second aspect of the speed problem is uniformity of movement. On the wildest of days, there can be a 40-km/h (or more) differential between the slowest and fastest motorists on the highway. That disparity leads to aggressive driving and lane changes that wouldn't occur if everyone observed more uniform speeds.
My friend moved back from Calgary a few months ago and came back into London on the 401. He'd never driven on the 401 before since he received his license in Alberta, but said he was amazed that the regular flow of traffic was 120km/h.

I don't know from experience, but he says that kind of shit would not fly in Alberta.
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The 100km/h rule is a joke. Anyone who is actually traveling at this speed is in danger or being rear-ended on the "Ontariobahn".

It is actually safer to travel between 105-110 than it is at 100, or go with the flow of traffic, whatever it is traveling at.

The entire length of the 401 has a design speed of 130, and thus you feel comfortable driving at this speed and feel like you're driving way too slowly on it at 100. Other 400-series highways have design speeds of 130 as well, except for some older and tighter segments like Highway 403 in Hamilton.

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My friend moved back from Calgary a few months ago and came back into London on the 401. He'd never driven on the 401 before since he received his license in Alberta, but said he was amazed that the regular flow of traffic was 120km/h.

I don't know from experience, but he says that kind of shit would not fly in Alberta.
...And the funny thing is the speed limit in Alberta is 110 for most freeways, where in Ontario it is 100.

The 401 should get it's speed limit increased to 110 or 120, at least in rural areas. Other 400-Series highways could follow this rule too. This makes it much more notable to see drivers doing 130+ and let the cops do their dirty work.

Back in the day when Canada used Imperial the speed limit was 70 MPH, or about 115 km/h. The sudden drop to 100 on the metric switch was too drastic in my opinion, and it shows on the road because nearly everyone goes over the "Maximum 100 km/h" limit.
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A lot of states have raised their limits in recent years to 70 mph, including Michigan. Ontario would do fine raising the limit to 110 km/h (especially in rural southwestern Ontario which is basically the same landscape as Michigan).
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I recently went to Europe, and they know what they're doing in my opinion. In random places, or at the entrance to a town, there will be speed cameras. They apparently have 0 tolerance, and if you are going 1 km/h over the speed limit, you are billed at least 90 euros -- or so I was told.

I don't see why that system wouldn't work here? Especially when you're entering a town. People don't slow down from 80 km/h to 50 km/h right away, and it is a danger to people living near the edge of town.

Another interesting thing to note about Europe (or at least the parts of France and Spain I visited), almost all freeways were tolled and had a speed limit of 120 km/h or even 130 km/h. The speed cameras weren't as common, probably because of the toll, but we never felt like we needed to speed anyway. We would usually be under the speed limit and still feel safe and going with the flow of traffic.

My grandfather always said that if you raise the speed limit on the 401 to 120 km/h, people will go 140 km/h. I don't know if this is true. Haljackey said that the 400-series highways are designed for 130 km/h... Would most people really go 140 km/h? I don't think I would feel safe going more than 120 km/h. Not to mention the gas consumption and the wear and tear on the car...
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My grandfather always said that if you raise the speed limit on the 401 to 120 km/h, people will go 140 km/h. I don't know if this is true. Haljackey said that the 400-series highways are designed for 130 km/h... Would most people really go 140 km/h? I don't think I would feel safe going more than 120 km/h. Not to mention the gas consumption and the wear and tear on the car...
Exactly. People feel comfortable driving at 120-130 on the 400-series because it's close to the design speed. Once you go over 130 the laws of physics really become noticeable because it becomes very difficult to control your car at these speeds. Try actually doing 100 on these roads... you have a lot more control!

That's why most of the roads in Europe are 130. Doing more than 10 over this limit is an endurance test for both yourself and your car. That's why the speed down the German Autobahns with no speed limit is usually 130-140km/h rather than much higher as many of us think.

Yes in many parts of the world traffic cameras are set up and clock your speed. Some of them act like the 407 ETR where they take a picture of your license plate and if you're clocked in at going over the limit, a ticket is sent to your mail address.

Something like this was implemented in the US state of Arizona not long ago and many motorists thought it was an invasion of their rights/freedoms. The government and law enforcement stated that it clearly wasn't because the roads are owned by the state... if you don't comply with the rules of the road you will be penalized.

Eventually the controversial measure was killed after it reached the US supreme court or something but it goes to show ya what can be done to the speed limit here. Perhaps something similar could be implemented here in Ontario. It would help enforce limits and generate some much needed revenue for our province which is in a mountain of debt.



Getting back to London Roads, how about that snow, eh? A 5 min drive took me over 20 yesterday.

I'll be heading out soon for my 3:00 class at Fanshawe. Normally takes me over an hour by bus to get to school (I live in the southwest end) so I have no idea how long it will be today. Classes at UWO are canceled but Fanshawe is still a go? Aww... I have an exam today and don't want to write it.
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As of 11am, classes at UWO were cancelled.
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As of 11am, classes at UWO were cancelled.
As of 12:30, classes at Fanshawe are canceled. I just found out before I left. Talk about timing lol.


Apparently there are somewhere between 30-100 accidents in the city today. Not sure why that number varies so greatly unless it factors in the number of cars involved or weather they were in the city or city and surrounding area.


I reckon there's a good chance we might go through a similar ordeal tomorrow. Could be 60-100cm on the ground by the end of Wednesday!
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I'm actually quite jealous. I'm staring out now at +5 and cloudy skies. No snow here..
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I'm sure if many of you know what's been going on in London, Ontario... we've received about 100cm of snow. The city is practically shut down.

I took this video of Highway 402 and 401 eastbound on Friday, December 3, just as the snowfall was beginning. The system lingered Saturday and intensified Sunday, dumping massive amounts of snow on the area mostly through 'snow squalls'.

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On Sunday, Highway 401 westbound was closed in the London area due to multiple collisions and rollovers. It opened late Monday but both highways 401 and 402 continue to be very slow going.

On Tuesday, the city came extremely close to declaring a state of emergency. Schools and public transit have been canceled for 3 days straight (Monday-Wednesday) and non-essential government services have been closed. Many public businesses closed up shop too as the city came to a standstill. London has asked surrounding cities for help.

The video shows just how suddenly changes to the weather can occur here. At the end of the video my camera tripod fell off the dashboard as I navigated a curve because it wasn't well secured. I didn't crash lol.

We could get another 20-40cm by the end of Wednesday. Winter doesn't officially start until Dec 21.
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By the way, Kitchener and Waterloo are two separate cities, which are both smaller than London. That's the main reason why that region doesn't have a downtown as large or as dense as London.
Separately as cities, yes. However, the Kitchener-Cambridge-Waterloo CMA is now larger than London as it has been growing at a faster rate. Still though when considering these three cities, there are 5 separate downtowns...this makes it harder to concentrate development in one single urban core.
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Still though when considering these three cities, there are 5 separate downtowns...this makes it harder to concentrate development in one single urban core.
Exactly. Kitchener may be larger in terms or regional/metro/urban/whatever population, but London has a larger population as a city compared to any city in the 4-headed beast to the east (K-W-C-G)

Thus London has a bigger downtown. Development is more concentrated in the inner-city but once you leave it London becomes Sprawlville, USA just like everywhere else.



And since we're in the roads thread, notice how freeways didn't contribute to sprawl in London cuz we don't have any (to serve local traffic).
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Waterloo Region and the City Of London are very. very different animals in terms of structure, geography, urban composition, history, etc.

The easy thing to do is make comparisons as if they were "Springfield and Shelbyville". The truth is that although an hour apart, they are separated by big differences. Some are mentioned above. In short, London is one municipality with one business community, one government, one core, one plan, etc. As such, it gives the appearance of 'one big city". Waterloo Region is an amalgam of many communities, governments, and regional differences, and shall remain so for the foreseeable future. As such, it gives the appearance of "a big sub-urbanity", due to the large proportion of residential development vs. core size. In the future, such circumstances (as well as others such as the Places To grow Act) will shape both cities and will chart very different futures because of their circumstances.

As for hanging one's hat strictly on population, recall Mississauga: a massive population - but far from being a true community or urban centre. In fact quite the opposite: it is nothing more than the world's largest subdivision. There are massive problems coming up for that city in about 40 years, but Hazel will be gone then. This phenomenon is the greatest long-term threat to Waterloo Region's identity: becoming another Mississauga or Markham. A big municipality sure, but seen as just another Toronto suburb.

Back to topic: none of this is to say that there must be winners and losers between both neighbouring cities. In fact there is interaction between the two quite frequently, and that will continue.
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While Mississauga may be suburbia, it is showing signs of emerging into it's own unique city. With nearly all of it's land consumed, it is beginning to really build up instead of out.

Mississauga's population is estimated to have topped Detroit's this year, becoming the third largest city on the Great Lakes (Behind Chicago and Toronto respectively).

Mississauga City Centre and the Hurontario Street corridor are seeing massive development, such as Absolute World. This is a radical change from sprawlville.



I see good things going for Mississauga.. it definitely has the potential to emerge into it's own big city.

Relating it back to London and this topic, it's infrastructure is relatively young and built to more modern standards than London's. Thus you're going to have more problems in London (such as the giant sinkhole a couple years ago) and you need to spend adequate money to fix them. This means there may not be as much money to go around for other road projects and could mean higher taxes in London.

You simply can't compare London, K-W and Mississauga with one-another, even though they're all within 160km of eathother!
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I really dislike Mississauga. The whole city gives me a feeling of being on a movie set, or that fake New York skyline in Las Vegas, or Disneyland's vision of a "big city."

And Absolute World is ugly.
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I also wonder if there will come a point when Toronto simply starts annexing neighbouring municipalities including Mississauga. Toronto's population would hit 3.4 million overnight if they annexed Mississauga and Vaughan, both expansive suburbs with no clear sense of place other than being Toronto suburbs.

Brampton, Richmond Hill, and Markham at least have some sense of place, having been towns on their own previously.
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Hazel could very well still be around in 40 years. Hell, Kim Il Sung is the eternal ruler of North Korea (even though he passed into the void some 20 years ago). How's that for Absolute?


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I've mentionted this before on another thread, but Mississauga having a real downtown is laughable!

While it's great to see that they are building upwards along Hurontario Street, once you get off of it, your into some spaghetti pattern urban sprawl, that has no identity, and could never handle more density. I mean what kind of downtown is concentrated only on major arteries? What makes a great urban feel to me is the interconnectivity of dense neighbourhoods that the downtown can "spill" on to. A perfect example is Toronto, or even London. I have a broad definition of our downtown in London as being anywhere south of Oxford, North or east of the Thames, and about west of Adelaide, because although it may not all be the same density, it has a direct relation to the CBD with apartments, condos and commercial developments.

As for the London roads,(better stay on topic, or Haljackey will freak! ) while I would like to see more growth, I'm happy that we don't have 6 lane arteries, wide freeways and unparraleled sprawl like in the G.T.A. That's what turns me off about Toronto, because as dense, and urban is it's downtown areas are, the vast majority of the areas, even within the city itself, are suburban. And of course once you get past those your into the first round of suburban cities (Mississauge, Brampton) and then your into the newest boomburbs like Milton, or Barrie. It's really quite maddening!

London is a good sized city, with a well defined core that isn't growing at a ridiculous pace. All we need to do is build a few better roads, limit the sprawl, focus even more attention downtown and then we'd be a much more liveable city than Toronto any day!
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