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Old Posted Dec 2, 2010, 5:50 PM
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I've been saying this for years. and that is Vegas just simply out grew itself. I don't care how popular a city is, you can't just build 50+ story condo towers at every street corner and expect people to move in and fill them all overnight.
I think alot of these developers got on the "Bandwagon" of the Vegas building boom as if there really was THAT MUCH of a demand that they believe everybody in the world wanted to move to Vegas.
Well now Vegas can enjoy having all those empty highrise buildings.
I kind of think that Vegas's boom was like a mini version of Dubai's boom where both built an absolute absurd amount of condos and buildings, and the growth was completely unsustainable.
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Not sure this has been posted before, but this is new to me....

Another view of what the The Meridian, Phase 1 could look like.

http://focusutah.com/index-2.html

Still no update really on ground breaking or any other news for that matter.
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It looks really Disneyesque. Why can't they design something that looks both modern, and classy.
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That's what I was thinking. It doesn't look too good, but then it seems like it's a pretty poor rendering.
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Old Posted Dec 3, 2010, 6:19 PM
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Not sure this has been posted before, but this is new to me....

Another view of what the The Meridian, Phase 1 could look like.

http://focusutah.com/index-2.html

Still no update really on ground breaking or any other news for that matter.
I think this is just like the Midtown Village in Orem. It is out of place. It's way too dense for the site. I don't think these developers really know what they are doing. They've never done a project even close to this size. They've done rest homes, and other projects like that. Kudos for trying, but they need to scale it way down to maybe something 1/3 of that size or at most 1/2 of that size.
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Not sure this has been posted before, but this is new to me....

Another view of what the The Meridian, Phase 1 could look like.

http://focusutah.com/index-2.html

Still no update really on ground breaking or any other news for that matter.
That design looks like the very worst of '80s architecture.
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That design looks like the very worst of '80s architecture.
I agree, it is hideous. Every decade has design that I wish could be blotted out and this is some of it. I hope they change it before it is too late.
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I think Sandy City needs to promote "downtown living" in smaller steps. The southern end of the target development is mostly vacant (the part facing the mall). I would propose that Sandy provide some incentives to the owner of that retail center to redesign or rebuild the southern section with 3-5 or even 3-8 stories of living on top of the ground floor retail, shown in orange, and possibly some row houses/town homes/brownstones in the yellow area, facing the street.

Having residential in this area would help create a greater need for retail in those vacant spaces and could begin the transition of "downtown" Sandy into a true downtown that they are hoping for. This residential wouldn't occupy any of the land where the proposed "Proscenium" is to be built and would start to liven up the area a little bit. The area already has a fair amount of office space, some smaller retail areas as well as the mall close by, not to mention there is a grocery store (target) within walking distance of this new residential, as well as 1.1 miles from both Trax and FrontRunner.



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I think Sandy City needs to promote "downtown living" in smaller steps. The southern end of the target development is mostly vacant (the part facing the mall). I would propose that Sandy provide some incentives to the owner of that retail center to redesign or rebuild the southern section with 3-5 or even 3-8 stories of living on top of the ground floor retail, shown in orange, and possibly some row houses/town homes/brownstones in the yellow area, facing the street.

Having residential in this area would help create a greater need for retail in those vacant spaces and could begin the transition of "downtown" Sandy into a true downtown that they are hoping for. This residential wouldn't occupy any of the land where the proposed "Proscenium" is to be built and would start to liven up the area a little bit. The area already has a fair amount of office space, some smaller retail areas as well as the mall close by, not to mention there is a grocery store (target) within walking distance of this new residential, as well as 1.1 miles from both Trax and FrontRunner.


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There was going to be a development right there in the Yellow of just that. I forgot the name of the project but it was a mix use with ground level retail with underground parking and 2-3 stories of house units on top. But it since fell though and nothing ever happen. In fact if you drive by that sit the billboard with the rendering is still there. Such a shame really. I hope something like that gets built one day.
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The Montage Opens ~ Montage Deer Valley: Utah’s newest elite hotel

By Mike Gorrell
The Salt Lake Tribune

Park City • Make it three luxury hotels to open in the Park City area since the 2002 Winter Olympics elevated the ski town’s stature as a swanky getaway spot for the elite.


Montage Deer Valley enters the market Wednesday with an 11:30 a.m. ribbon cutting, followed by an open house to give the Park City community a look at all the opulence the year-round resort has to offer.

Business as usual begins Thursday at the hotel atop Marsac Avenue, adjacent to Deer Valley Resort’s midmountain Empire Canyon Lodge — with Montage Hotels & Resorts founder and chief executive Alan Fuerstman saying, “We’ll be sold-out for the holidays.”

Welcoming many of those guests will be Monty, a 1-year-old Bernese Mountain Dog, Montage’s canine ambassador. While Monty touches the hearts of incoming visitors, valets will move their luggage into a lounge dominated by the sculpture of a 19th century miner/skier.


Steve Griffin | (The Salt Lake Tribune) Bob Arrivillaga, associate director of group sales at the Montage Deer Valley luxury hotel, takes a walk with his Bernese Mountain Dog Monty, the hotel's canine ambassador.

Hallways with distressed hardwood floors lead to Montage’s 154 guest rooms, which are rented in traditional hotel fashion, and 66 suites and residences, whose owners can put them into a rental pool administered by resort staff.

Other halls lead to one of the resort’s three restaurants, or its 17,000 square feet of indoor meeting space (an additional 33,000 square feet are available outside), or its 7,000-square-foot ski shop or its 35,000-square-foot spa, with treadmills facing bay windows overlooking the Park City valley. The spa also features a swimming pool whose architect patterned it after pools at California’s glitzy Hearst Castle.

Hallways and open areas are adorned with striking paintings of life in the West, from cowboy scenes created by Frederic Remington to portraits of birds obtained in a working agreement with the National Audubon Society, said Montage spokesman Dan Herbert.

Fuerstman takes special pride in the prominent placements afforded paintings by Luke Frazier of Providence, one of many Utahns involved in various aspects of the resort’s debut. Montage consciously sought to “become part of the greater Utah community, to being valued members of that community,” he said.

A large percentage of the resort’s 500-plus staff members were hired after nine local job fairs. Beers sold inDaly’s basement grill and lounge were developed in conjunction with Utah’s own Wasatch brewers, boasting labels like Montage Mountain Ale. The resort even has its own local beekeeper, producing specialty honey goods that link visitors to Utah’s heritage as the Beehive State.


Steve Griffin | (The Salt Lake Tribune) The lap pool in the Montage Deer Valley's indoor spa was designed to resemble the swimming pools at Hearst Castle on California's central coast. An open house today will precede the beginning of business Thursday at the Montage.

Fuerstman, whose first two Montage properties are in Laguna Beach and Beverly Hills, Calif., said Deer Valley was an ideal location for the resort’s first mountain venture. “Nature treated us well. This is as good as any setting in North America … grand in many ways, intimate in others.”

This combination, he insists, will help Montage contribute to Park City’s emergence as a global destination, an Olympic ambition that was advanced with last year’s openings in Summit County of the St. Regis Deercrest and Waldorf-Astoria hotels.

“The Olympics created an international awareness of the Park City market,” Fuerstman says. “Having a cadre of great hotels in the market also helps.”
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I think this is just like the Midtown Village in Orem. It is out of place. It's way too dense for the site. I don't think these developers really know what they are doing. They've never done a project even close to this size. They've done rest homes, and other projects like that. Kudos for trying, but they need to scale it way down to maybe something 1/3 of that size or at most 1/2 of that size.
Agreed. Big projects are great for CDBs, or possibly some high-passenger-volume TODs. Not for State Street(s) and big box areas.

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I think Sandy City needs to promote "downtown living" in smaller steps. The southern end of the target development is mostly vacant (the part facing the mall). I would propose that Sandy provide some incentives to the owner of that retail center to redesign or rebuild the southern section with 3-5 or even 3-8 stories of living on top of the ground floor retail, shown in orange, and possibly some row houses/town homes/brownstones in the yellow area, facing the street.

Having residential in this area would help create a greater need for retail in those vacant spaces and could begin the transition of "downtown" Sandy into a true downtown that they are hoping for. This residential wouldn't occupy any of the land where the proposed "Proscenium" is to be built and would start to liven up the area a little bit. The area already has a fair amount of office space, some smaller retail areas as well as the mall close by, not to mention there is a grocery store (target) within walking distance of this new residential, as well as 1.1 miles from both Trax and FrontRunner.



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I know the RTP 2040 is proposing a collector-distributor system between 100th and 106th, which will let people exit or enter the freeway from either place. They are also planning BRT to run between the 100th TRAX station and the Frontrunner station. Improving freeway and transit access will make the site more functional for dense development, imo.
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Valley Fair Mall bucks reputation

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/neighbo...tml.csp?page=2

...The city has indeed focused on improving the area around the mall and City Hall. The widening of 3500 South to accommodate bus rapid transit has been completed and progress is being made on a TRAX line in the area.

West Valley leaders also declared the area west of Valley Fair as a redevelopment area and the spot for the planned City Center project.

As that project progresses, Winder said the synergy between the mall and City Center will be vital.

“We’re looking for some serious density and a true town center for Utah’s second-largest city,” Winder said.

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Vegas is going to be paying for their obviously over bloated potential...

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I kind of think that Vegas's boom was like a mini version of Dubai's boom where both built an absolute absurd amount of condos and buildings, and the growth was completely unsustainable.
You are in a desert with limited resources. You are relying on an never ending supply of people who you would hope had deep pockets.

You get caught in an unbelievable economic turn and you know that it will take years and years to get back, even remotely, to where you were.

LV is going to be hurting at one level or another for a good long time.

It could not happen to a trashier city.
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You are in a desert with limited resources. You are relying on an never ending supply of people who you would hope had deep pockets.

You get caught in an unbelievable economic turn and you know that it will take years and years to get back, even remotely, to where you were.

LV is going to be hurting at one level or another for a good long time.

It could not happen to a trashier city.
You know things are bad in Las Vegas when the CASINOS are going bankrupt.
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I think Utah's economic strength can be found in its diversity of employers; most of our eggs aren't in one basket.

The Skiing industry, National Parks and Historical sites give us a good shot of money from tourism but certainly not a dependence on it like Las Vegas.

We have a flourishing high tech sector but it is not a majority employer like parts of the Bay Area.

We are on our way to having a major defense industry increase with the new Falcon Hill Development at Hill Air Force base.

We are the Industrial Banking Capital of the World, though that is not giant portion of our economy.

A good chunk of employment comes from having the headquarters of the LDS Church located here.

And we have a sizable section of our economy coming from coal and rare earths like copper.


If one of these aspects of our economy slows down life is still able to move on; we aren't thrown into a dire situation.
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Kennecott to convert power from coal to natural gas



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MAGNA -- Kennecott Copper announced a new plan Wednesday that will dramatically lower the company's air pollution. Because Kennecott is such a large company, the change may have a noticeable impact on overall air quality in the Salt Lake Valley.

The heart of the new strategy is a coal-fired power plant that provides most of the electricity Kennecott uses. The proposal is a substantial, although incomplete, shift from coal to natural gas.

Kennecott has a huge appetite for electricity -- even the giant shovels in the mine run on electric power, and so do industrial processes converting ore into marketable copper.

The demand for power will increase if the company follows through on expansion plans to extend the life of the mine. That need opened the door to a major upgrade of the power plant.

With this new plan, Kennecott will almost double the electrical output while cutting the use of coal by 60 percent. The company suspects the conversion will dramatically reduce emissions of sulfur dioxide and other pollutants.

Kelly Sanders, president and CEO of Kennecott Utah Copper, said, "Not only are we going to convert three of the four boilers to natural gas, we'll be significantly lowering emissions of criteria air pollutants."

The numbers Kennecott claims are impressive: sulfur dioxide will be cut 99 percent; nitrogen oxide, 95 percent; PM-10, 60 percent; and PM-2.5, 30 percent.

"The emission changes from this change that we're doing here at Kennecott is the equivalent to about taking one in 10 cars off the roads in both Salt Lake and Utah Counties," Sanders said.
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The company made it clear, though, that the pollution-cutting is closely tied to expansion plans, and the plan is contingent on approval from state and environmental officials.

"If for any reason we were not able to extend the mine life, then we would step back and take another look at what we're doing," Sanders said.

Several environmental and clean air groups issued a joint statement praising Kennecott's move, but expressing disappointment that the company didn't go further. Instead of a 60 percent cut, those groups insist Kennecott should stop burning coal completely.
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Rio Tinto is positioning itself to expand the mine more and more with each move they make.

As of now, if the mine cannot expand to another location in the canyon Rio Tinto has stated that it will begin the process of shutting down the Kennecott Copper mine in the next few years.
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I also thought that was great news S.P., but it took me a little by surprise. Rio Tinto had already done so much in the recent years with the smelter etc., that I was unaware of the fact that it was still putting out so much pollution from coal energy. I'm glad to see this happening, and it can't take place soon enough.
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I also thought that was great news S.P., but it took me a little by surprise. Rio Tinto had already done so much in the recent years with the smelter etc., that I was unaware of the fact that it was still putting out so much pollution from coal energy. I'm glad to see this happening, and it can't take place soon enough.
I know. The equivalent of removing 1 out of 10 cars in both Salt Lake County and Utah County is incredible.
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Great news. I am very excited about the positive impact that this will have on the inversion and those who are the most vulnerable among us, such as children and the elderly. Although I then got sick to by stomach that they invited the worst Mayor in Salt Lake City's history to the event. I would have much rather seen Becker speak.

I am a fan of allowing companies who do this to write off these expenses which would lower their taxable income or even better to allow them a credit to reduce their tax liability.
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I was never a huge Rocky hater when he was mayor- but yeah, hearing him speak after getting so used to Mayor Becker for the past few years made me glad that Rocky isn't the mayor anymore.
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