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Old Posted Nov 24, 2010, 10:42 PM
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Just looking at the size of a person on that floor shows how large that entire floor area is including the core in comparison.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2010, 6:49 AM
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2010, 7:35 AM
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okay, now i really do have doubts on the glass...
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okay, now i really do have doubts on the glass...
oh who cares at this point,so where you take pictures from some angles its distorted so what? when your in front of it its either reflective or transparent. the important thing is that its being cladded.
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you don't apparently? i've worked with camera's before, for many years, and i can tell you that's not the camera's fault. the glass is distorted.

and when are people gonna get the chance to be in front of it? the only people who will work in buildings downtown and will most likely never upload any pictures to the net.

but i'm sorry i hoped for high-quality glass for such a high-quality complex. it really bugs me when they make renderings all nice and slick when that's not the case! don't give us false hope! not directed towards str btw, but to the officials who lied to us. shame, it would've made one of the world's finest modern-high-rise glass facades.
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2010, 8:42 AM
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you don't apparently? i've worked with camera's before, for many years, and i can tell you that's not the camera's fault. the glass is distorted.

and when are people gonna get the chance to be in front of it? the only people who will work in buildings downtown and will most likely never upload any pictures to the net.

but i'm sorry i hoped for high-quality glass for such a high-quality complex. it really bugs me when they make renderings all nice and slick when that's not the case! don't give us false hope! not directed towards str btw, but to the officials who lied to us. shame, it would've made one of the world's finest modern-high-rise glass facades.
even so i doubt the masses can even tell the difference between distorted and reflective glass. and like ive said it doesn't look this distorted in person.
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2010, 8:46 AM
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Not knowing anything about glass quality myself. I was wondering if there is a protective film or plastic on the glass. Yet to be removed?.
     
     
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not directed towards str btw, but to the officials who lied to us.
No offense taken. I could actually, and fairly easily, drop in a texture that would simulate the wavy reflections. I might mess around with that sometime.

However, is the glass REALLY any worse than 7 World Trade? Its reflections don't seem mirror perfect either.
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Is it so much the wall panels/glass itself or is it the placement of it? Like the way it's attached to the wall might create warping in the panel right? Don't they do tests on structures before the actual facade goes up to know how to put it up? This could just be some testing for now, or is it the actual finished product?
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Is it so much the wall panels/glass itself or is it the placement of it? Like the way it's attached to the wall might create warping in the panel right? Don't they do tests on structures before the actual facade goes up to know how to put it up? This could just be some testing for now, or is it the actual finished product?
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2010, 3:08 PM
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you don't apparently? i've worked with camera's before, for many years, and i can tell you that's not the camera's fault. the glass is distorted.

and when are people gonna get the chance to be in front of it? the only people who will work in buildings downtown and will most likely never upload any pictures to the net.

but i'm sorry i hoped for high-quality glass for such a high-quality complex. it really bugs me when they make renderings all nice and slick when that's not the case! don't give us false hope! not directed towards str btw, but to the officials who lied to us. shame, it would've made one of the world's finest modern-high-rise glass facades.
So if it IS distorted is this just in an effort to cut costs or is it a quality issue? Did they pay "top dollar" and get inferior product or did they just say "WTF, we need to get this up cheaper and faster just give us anything".
     
     
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After looking at the pics that NYCLuver posted (great pics BTW!) I am of the opinion that there is a plastic film on the glass.

I think we should be a bit more patient and hold off on final judgment until we are sure we are looking at the final product.



Notice the near mirror quality reflections in the glass of the testing mock up.

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I think we should be a bit more patient and hold off on final judgment until we are sure we are looking at the final product.
That should go without saying, but it never does in these forums, where patience is unheard of.


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I wouldn’t be so quick to pass judgments on the glass; I mean how could you possibly at this point?
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you don't apparently? i've worked with camera's before, for many years, and i can tell you that's not the camera's fault. the glass is distorted.

and when are people gonna get the chance to be in front of it? the only people who will work in buildings downtown and will most likely never upload any pictures to the net.

but i'm sorry i hoped for high-quality glass for such a high-quality complex. it really bugs me when they make renderings all nice and slick when that's not the case! don't give us false hope! not directed towards str btw, but to the officials who lied to us. shame, it would've made one of the world's finest modern-high-rise glass facades.
If you go in person (which I have) it isn't distorted at all. And I am pretty sure there is some plastic covering on the supposed 'distorted' glass. You know when you get a new phone or something there is plastic on the glass to protect the screen? Same thing.
     
     
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i think this weekend they will probably talk about the glass...
     
     
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Distortion or not, the glass looks fine to me. I don't think anyone will take any notice of it either way.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2010, 6:16 PM
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I went and looked at the prints and I think I know exactly why they are leaving out every other glass panel. The facad mantinance track. It runs vertically between the glass panels and is part of the frame holding the glass.


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Happy Thanksgiving as well, I am thankful that the WTC has made excellent progress!
     
     
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