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Old Posted Nov 19, 2010, 5:28 AM
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some good news.
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Mayors' Council chair will fight for Evergreen Line
Langley City Mayor Peter Fassbender, who chairs the TransLink Mayors' Council, is pleading with fellow mayors to support a TransLink plan to pay for its share of the Evergreen Line construction with added property taxes, if absolutely necessary.[...]
Frank Bucholtz, Langley Times
November 17, 2010 2:00 PM
rest of article here http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/108778494.html

nice to know someone will vote to keep this project alive.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2010, 5:43 AM
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And the guy isn't even in need of the project, I'm sure he'd rather see it extended to Langley.

Maybe he's one of the chosen few who realises things gotta be done one step at a time, and the more stupidity involved in the Evergreen Line, the less likely there will be a Langley extension. Might also be a bit of "I'll scratch your back and you'll scratch mine" mentality. If he supports and helps pays for this one, future mayors of the tri-cities will in turn be obliged to help him.

Wish more politicians in the Metro were this intelligent.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2010, 6:28 AM
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Wow. All I can really say. xD At least there's a few who understand the issue very well compared to the rest who think of short-term political games and image boosters (Surrey comes to mind a lot).
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2010, 9:27 AM
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was at the United Boulevard open house tonight. Seems the Evergreen Line is being packaged with the United Boulevard extension & overpass project - mayors have to vote for both, or against both.

That said, one of the facilitators also said that he's pretty sure the Provincial government is planning on building it no matter how the mayors vote. So we'll see.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2010, 9:30 AM
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Wow, I applaud that Langley city mayor, it is sooo refreshing for an elected official to actually grasp the big picture. I have no idea what Surrey's mayor is thinking, and we all know that Burnaby's mayor is selfish bonkers. Honestly though, I did expect a little more foresight from Surrey's mayor, I have lately been loosing respect for her.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2010, 5:23 PM
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When's the next open house for the United Blvd. Extension?
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2010, 10:16 PM
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Looks like they're switching to a vehicle levy:

Proposed vehicle levy to fund Evergreen Line
Report goes to Metro Vancouver Board Friday


Mike Lloyd/The Vancouver Sun
Nov 22, 2010 07:00:57 AM

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Ditch the plan for a property tax and bring in a vehicle levy instead. That is the recommendation going before the Mayors of Metro Vancouver as they try to find a way to fund the Evergreen Line.

The proposed rapid transit line would go from Port Moody, through Coquitlam to Burnaby.

A staff report goes before the Metro Vancouver Board Friday. It recommends mayors reject any plan from TransLink that involves property-tax-based funding.

The Vancouver Sun reports the board will be urged to direct TransLink to come up with a new plan, one that includes a vehicle levy or some other kind of carbon tax.

TransLink wants the board to come up with more than $68 million next year to help fund transit options and has suggested a $31 to $54 property tax increase for the average household.
http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/132445--proposed-vehicle-levy-to-fund-evergreen-line
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2010, 10:50 PM
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Looks like they're switching to a vehicle levy:

Proposed vehicle levy to fund Evergreen Line
Report goes to Metro Vancouver Board Friday


Mike Lloyd/The Vancouver Sun
Nov 22, 2010 07:00:57 AM

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Ditch the plan for a property tax and bring in a vehicle levy instead. That is the recommendation going before the Mayors of Metro Vancouver as they try to find a way to fund the Evergreen Line.

The proposed rapid transit line would go from Port Moody, through Coquitlam to Burnaby.

A staff report goes before the Metro Vancouver Board Friday. It recommends mayors reject any plan from TransLink that involves property-tax-based funding.

The Vancouver Sun reports the board will be urged to direct TransLink to come up with a new plan, one that includes a vehicle levy or some other kind of carbon tax.

TransLink wants the board to come up with more than $68 million next year to help fund transit options and has suggested a $31 to $54 property tax increase for the average household.
http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/132445--proposed-vehicle-levy-to-fund-evergreen-line


They are NOT!

See my post in the other thread...

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=5065672#post5065672
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2010, 10:01 PM
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I wouldn't mind working on this project; it would be closer to home than the site where I work now.

Anybody here know who's doing the concrete forming work, or anything else on this project?
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2010, 10:29 PM
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One of the main things stopping the implimentation of a Vehicle Levy is the lack of a collection method, because if there is no ability to compel paynent a certain percentage of people will not pay.

One of the mayors (Derrick Corrigan?) was on Christy Clark last week and had a good idea for funding A container Charge on every container that passes through the port. the reasoning was that the trucks that carry the containers use the roads , so they should pay.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2010, 10:51 PM
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That's not exactly an innovative idea. Spoken like a true psudo-commie he wants to pass the all costs on to big business rather than take a minor political fall on the property tax. There's other ports on the west coast which could potentially compete with Vancouver for container traffic. If you want to make a huge regional revenue generator less profitable by all means shoot yourself in the foot Corrigan, but don't drag the local economy down with you.

The best part about this idea is it potentially taxes rail bound containers as well which won't touch pavement until long after they leave Translink jurisdiction.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2010, 11:48 PM
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That's not exactly an innovative idea. Spoken like a true psudo-commie he wants to pass the all costs on to big business rather than take a minor political fall on the property tax. There's other ports on the west coast which could potentially compete with Vancouver for container traffic. If you want to make a huge regional revenue generator less profitable by all means shoot yourself in the foot Corrigan, but don't drag the local economy down with you.

The best part about this idea is it potentially taxes rail bound containers as well which won't touch pavement until long after they leave Translink jurisdiction.
And is it just me, or is Burnaby the ONE city in the region that has no container facilities at all? And I think there are only few warehouses in Burnaby too. He's basically biting the hand that doesn't give him a morsel of food at all.

Perhaps Translink should adjust the fare structure so that Burnaby is a special zone, where the 1 zone fare is $3.75.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2010, 3:50 AM
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What is this obsession with Derek Corrigan in this forum? He is ONE mayor out of 21! ONE!!!!! He and he alone cannot bring this project down, and if the mayor's council votes down the funding on December 9, it won't be Corrigan's fault. TBH, its really the Province's fault why we are in this mess (Shirley Bond and Kevin Falcon) but in terms of the political fall out excuse, every single mayor that votes against this absolutely necessary and ridiculously long delayed project is equally, if more so, guilty.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2010, 4:34 AM
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Well, he's got such a stranglehold on Burnaby politics at the moment that he's kind of hard to avoid. He was also the head of BC Transit during the NDP gov't and sits on the transit committee. All-in-all not having him on side for this is definitely a PITA.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2010, 7:15 AM
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I wouldn't mind working on this project; it would be closer to home than the site where I work now.

Anybody here know who's doing the concrete forming work, or anything else on this project?
They haven't even announced that construction is actually starting, let alone who has won the PPP to do the construction.

My best guess is that SNC Lavalin will win the contract again because they've done most of the other SkyTrain construction.

If this is typical construction like the rest of the Expo and Millennium lines, the track segments will be built in a factory & shipped to the site to be installed. The bulk of the on-site concrete forming work would be to build the piers that the trackbeds sit on, and the stations.

The tunnel segments could also be built in a factory & shipped to the tunnel portal to be sent to the TBM for installation.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2010, 9:19 PM
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Yeah most of it will be prefab and shipped over to the construction site for installation. it's easier and cheaper to do it that way
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2010, 10:31 PM
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Looks like the project has been saved...for now...

http://www.bclocalnews.com/tri_city_maple_ridge/tricitynews/news/110681944.html

Bond blinks, agrees to more talks on TransLink funding
By Jeff Nagel - BC Local News

Published: November 25, 2010 1:00 PM
Updated: November 25, 2010 1:37 PM

Transportation Minister Shirley Bond has relented and agreed to wait until the new year to find a range of new financing mechanisms to fund TransLink and ensure the Evergreen Line gets built.

The move means Metro Vancouver mayors won't vote after all Dec. 9 on the TransLink board's proposal that they authorize raising property taxes at least $36 per average household to fund the $1.4-billion SkyTrain line to Coquitlam.

Local cities had been told they had to approve some method by the end of this year to deliver their $400 million share of the Evergreen Line costs as well as phase one of the North Fraser Perimeter Road or else federal contributions expire.

Coquitlam Mayor Richard Stewart said word came Thursday morning that Bond – who had previously hinted Victoria would force a solution if the mayors voted down the funding – has agreed to wait and consider other options.

That means everything from road pricing to a vehicle levy or other mechanisms not currently available to TransLink could soon be on the table.

"The province has agreed to speak with us in the next three months about a range of other tools to fund the ongoing transportation needs of the region," Stewart said. "It provides breathing room."

The issue was also to be debated Friday (Nov. 26) by the Metro board, where a senior staff report recommended mayors reject the tax-hike plan.

Most mayors had already staked out a firm stance against increasing property taxes further for TransLink expansion.

It was going to be "enormously challenging" for a yes vote to pass, he said, adding a no vote could have been seen by the province as the mayors breaking their commitment three years earlier.

Stewart said he's relieved the region and province won't be forced into a confrontation.

"It isn't good public policy to be making decisions because of artificial deadlines," he said. "Time and dialogue will hold the possibility of much better solutions that show better respect."

Stewart said he hopes TransLink gets access to half a dozen or more new revenue sources.

His favourite is a site-specific development cost charge that would put a good portion of the cost of new rapid transit lines onto property owners who stand to profit in defined benefitting areas.

TransLink had contemplated a vehicle levy instead this fall, which would have charged every registered vehicle $15 to $55 a year, depending on the carbon footprint, but concluded there wasn't enough time to property consider and implement the idea.

TransLink had also tabled a second option for mayors to consider – a broader set of bus service and SkyTrain station upgrades in addition to the Evergreen Line and perimeter road. It would have meant committing to a bigger tax hike of $61 a year for a typical home ($8.91 per $100,000 of assessed value.)

Mayors had been told the property tax hike if approved might not actually need to go ahead if other sources could be found next year.

But several mayors said they were unwilling to trust that the province would deliver new sources after they sign off on a tax hike.

The province intends to issue a request for proposals on the Evergreen Line in early 2011.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2010, 6:31 AM
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For those of you who are impatiently waiting for SOMETHING to get built:

Church and 30th St. San Francisco MUNI Construction
(by Ken Murphy)
This is a time-lapse video showing the replacement of the MUNI tracks in front of my house.

http://vimeo.com/15780202
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2010, 6:53 AM
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Looks like the project has been saved...for now...

http://www.bclocalnews.com/tri_city_maple_ridge/tricitynews/news/110681944.html

Bond blinks, agrees to more talks on TransLink funding
By Jeff Nagel - BC Local News

Published: November 25, 2010 1:00 PM
Updated: November 25, 2010 1:37 PM

Transportation Minister Shirley Bond has relented and agreed to wait until the new year to find a range of new financing mechanisms to fund TransLink and ensure the Evergreen Line gets built.

The move means Metro Vancouver mayors won't vote after all Dec. 9 on the TransLink board's proposal that they authorize raising property taxes at least $36 per average household to fund the $1.4-billion SkyTrain line to Coquitlam.

....
Perhaps Gordo's sudden resignation has something to do with this?
It looks to me like some of the Mayors are using this lame-duck period for the BC Libs to score political points with the voters.
I suspect Bond is delaying a decision so after the coronation in the Spring, the new Premier could do some arm-twisting to get a deal done.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 2, 2010, 11:21 PM
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Maybe this answers some questions regarding what will happen to the Federal contribution post-2010...

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Harper extends stimulus deadline

Prime Minister Stephen Harper says Ottawa will extend its deadline for completing infrastructure stimulus projects to Oct. 31, 2011.

The Prime Minister’s announcement, which he made Thursday in Mississauga, comes as a new report from Parliamentary Budget Officer Kevin Page predicts a quarter of all infrastructure projects will miss the original deadline of March 2011.

.....
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harper-extends-stimulus-deadline/article1822069/
     
     
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