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Old Posted Nov 16, 2010, 1:10 PM
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2010, 3:35 AM
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Apparently allowing Emirates greater landing rights in Canada would have cost "tens of thousands of Canadian jobs". I'd really like to see the math they are using to come up with that. Fear mongering at its best.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/poli...-airline-feud-tories-say/article1806138/

In Lisbon for a NATO summit, Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon said the negotiations for the landing rights broke down because Canadians would have lost jobs.

“I made it perfectly clear that we’re not prepared to put Canadian workers out of their jobs by allowing a subsidized foreign airline to literally flood the Canadian market,” he said.

And in the House of Commons, Government House Leader John Baird suggested Canada’s airline industry would have been decimated: “It would have cost Canada literally tens of thousands of jobs and was not in Canadians’ best interest,” he said. “That is why we said no.”
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2010, 5:02 AM
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Sorry... completely off aviation topic... but...

Ack.. just saw it is -5 at YVR...in November!?

Hope it warms up (a little) by Christmas!!!

Gotta be good news for the skiing though... cannot wait!

What is the mountain du jour this year?? I have been reading a lot about some of the smaller interior resorts upgrading and expanding.
     
     
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Kicking Horse has matured, and was great around the holidays last year. For a younger resort Revelstoke is pretty awesome too - but a bit rougher on the accommodation and town scene.
     
     
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Apparently allowing Emirates greater landing rights in Canada would have cost "tens of thousands of Canadian jobs". I'd really like to see the math they are using to come up with that. Fear mongering at its best.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/poli...-airline-feud-tories-say/article1806138/

In Lisbon for a NATO summit, Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon said the negotiations for the landing rights broke down because Canadians would have lost jobs.

“I made it perfectly clear that we’re not prepared to put Canadian workers out of their jobs by allowing a subsidized foreign airline to literally flood the Canadian market,” he said.

And in the House of Commons, Government House Leader John Baird suggested Canada’s airline industry would have been decimated: “It would have cost Canada literally tens of thousands of jobs and was not in Canadians’ best interest,” he said. “That is why we said no.”

I saw that too, and remember wondering the exact same thing. Sounded like week-old fish to me, (or rather, smelled like it).

In addition, I was speaking to a senior YVR marketing official about Emirates apprently only wanting open access to Toronto and the Vancouver and Calgary routes requested being a ficticious red herring. "Don't believe everything you read in the papers," he told me, but said it was all very hush-hush, and that he could not reveal more detail.

All rather intriguing, to say the least.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2010, 6:17 AM
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Are his initials JK?

But this has just become a huge load of BS from all sides involved. God only knows (like the YVR guy says.. all very hush hush - oooh how mysterious) what really is going on. One thing that is clear is EK is obviously playing some sort of sand box game. The more and more I hear about this the more I am actually siding with the Canadian Government (heaven forbid)!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2010, 7:44 AM
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I saw that too, and remember wondering the exact same thing. Sounded like week-old fish to me, (or rather, smelled like it).

In addition, I was speaking to a senior YVR marketing official about Emirates apprently only wanting open access to Toronto and the Vancouver and Calgary routes requested being a ficticious red herring. "Don't believe everything you read in the papers," he told me, but said it was all very hush-hush, and that he could not reveal more detail.

All rather intriguing, to say the least.
my friend had two job interviews with emirates a few years ago - they were going to base him in vancouver but he would have to go get trained in dubai for a while and than maybe go to toronto until he could come back to vancouver but he didn't get the job or beyond two interviews
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2010, 7:48 AM
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Looks like Air Canada is finally starting to promote its new Haneda route. There's some great deals on flights to HND and NRT.

You can get a return ticket for around $950 return.

I was also thinking about this route a bit more. Air Canada is the ONLY North American Star Alliance airline that has a landing spot at Haneda.

American Airlines is OneWorld (1 slot)
Delta is Skyteam (2 slots)
Hawaiian Airlines is independent (though it code shares with United)

This means that if United or Continental or US Airways wants to sell a Haneda flight, they have to put their passengers through Vancouver.

ORD (Chicago) - YVR - HND is one possible routing. True, most would probably choose the direct flight to Narita, but if that route's full, or they want more flexibility on the return time the only other option is codeshare through Air Canada and Vancouver.

AC got lucky when United/Continental didn't win one of the Haneda slots. It also means, that for the time being, Vancouver has a better chance of filling its 2x daily flights to Tokyo.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2010, 8:19 AM
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my friend had two job interviews with emirates a few years ago - they were going to base him in vancouver but he would have to go get trained in dubai for a while and than maybe go to toronto until he could come back to vancouver but he didn't get the job or beyond two interviews
Sounds like more spin from them.
As far as I know, they only operate from a Dubai base. I am not aware of Emirates having any overseas bases (at least for pilots). Correct me if I am wrong.
For example, considering how much flying they do in and out of Australia, all Emirates in-flight crew are, apparently, based in DXB (that was according to a flight attendant who was from Perth on a recent MEL flight).
Also, funny how they would be hiring for a base before they even have landing rights. Maybe that is the reason why he did not get the job.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2010, 8:23 AM
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Looks like Air Canada is finally starting to promote its new Haneda route. There's some great deals on flights to HND and NRT.

I was also thinking about this route a bit more. Air Canada is the ONLY North American Star Alliance airline that has a landing spot at Haneda.

This means that if United or Continental or US Airways wants to sell a Haneda flight, they have to put their passengers through Vancouver.

AC got lucky when United/Continental didn't win one of the Haneda slots. It also means, that for the time being, Vancouver has a better chance of filling its 2x daily flights to Tokyo.
Well hopefully then AC can milk this before any other NA * Alliance carrier does obtain some slots.

I wish AC all the success with this new route.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2010, 10:17 AM
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Sounds like more spin from them.
As far as I know, they only operate from a Dubai base. I am not aware of Emirates having any overseas bases (at least for pilots). Correct me if I am wrong.
For example, considering how much flying they do in and out of Australia, all Emirates in-flight crew are, apparently, based in DXB (that was according to a flight attendant who was from Perth on a recent MEL flight).
Also, funny how they would be hiring for a base before they even have landing rights. Maybe that is the reason why he did not get the job.
yeah i don't know he was applying to work for them and I was jealous cause he was going to go to dubai to live and work for like two years than he could work in london uk and all these places and I was like

I don't know if the position was ever intended to be in vancouver - it could have been toronto or something i was too jealous to discuss it with him and pissed that he might move and leave me here my best friend gone haha

anyway he had a couple interviews and I don't know what they were for i don't think it was flight attendant but like airport desk crew

he is certainly no pilot - i've heard they and applies to all airlines need to hire locals for some positions in Canadian airports - when i was in england flying with delta an american airline all the airport staff was british

I know a guy who works for united (i think it is - its one of the american airlines anyway) but he is a local Canadian and works at YVR and has for years
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2010, 12:05 AM
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Well they have to have some sort of staff crew at the local destination. That being said, many airlines generally contract ground handling services out to different companies, such as Servisair and Handlex, which saves the airline quite a bit of money as they would only need to hire a handful of others to manage the contracting company. Either that, or they contract it to other airlines who are part of the same air alliance. For instance, Air Canada handles all of Air New Zealand and Air China's ground crew staff in YVR. Air New Zealand and Air China also only has a handful of agents who overlook Air Canada's ground crew work as well as prepare for their flights. British Airways and Cathay Pacific have separate pools of ground crew agents, but some work for both airlines. Cathay Pacific, I know, has a separate team in Vancouver as they have many flights to HKG, and flights to JFK.

Next time you fly, check the uniform of the person checking you in. If it's the same uniform of the person at the information counter, or someone of a more higher authority position, then you know you are being served by the airline ground crew team. If not, then the airline contracts ground crew agents to another company.
     
     
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Strong perspective from a Canadian lawyer living in the UAE...

Oh Canada, humility is a virtue

The landing rights spat comes at the expense of robust investments by UAE carriers that will create jobs
By Taha Tawawala, Special to Gulf News

The recent and evolving “spat” with the UAE focuses on the destructive course of action pursued by Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s government at the expense of the interests of the vast majority of Canadians. This spat illuminates the Harper government position with respect to the value it places on the UAE and Arab world, corrodes decades of positive goodwill built up by Canada in the international arena, and damages existing and potential trade ties with important trading partners in a region bursting with opportunity.

Since the First World War Canada positively contributed to international relations and developed a reputation as a nation with admirable qualities and a sense of justice, fairness and a role for the betterment of the world. Harper has swept most of this goodwill away in four short years.

The UAE-Canada dispute regarding landing rights in Canada for UAE airliners and its continuing fallout crystallises the audacity of Harper’s attack on Canada’s past ideals and future prospects internationally.

As indicated in recent media reports, the UAE’s national carriers, Emirates and Etihad, have been engaged in negotiations for five years with the Canadian government for additional landing rights (At present each carrier has three flights per week to Toronto). Since 2001 or so, the UAE has provided a military base for Canada to support its efforts in Afghanistan and has evolved into Canada’s largest trading partner in the region — according to Bloomberg.com.

“The UAE is the largest trade partner with Canada in the Middle East and North Africa, with more than $1.5 billion (Dh5.5 billion) of business in 2008”.
Furthermore, the vast majority of such trade is Canadian exports to the UAE — that is to say, the UAE is running a fairly significant trade deficit with Canada and, by doing so, putting more jobs on the ground in Canada and expanding the scope for Canadian business in this region.

Since its carriers started flying directly to Canada, the UAE has enthusiastically expressed greater willingness to expand and encourage commercial and cultural ties, and has become socially engaged with Canadians at all levels.

The Harper government’s position with respect to negotiations with the UAE was essentially to stall, frustrate and ignore the UAE’s requests for expanding the aviation relationship. This negotiating posture took place despite the fact that, according to The Economist, “such an expansion could potentially create 2,800 jobs across Canada and generate up to $480 million in additional economic activity [and] the premiers of Ontario, Alberta and BC support the proposal.”

Clearly competition to Air Canada and greater access for Canadians to a growing region would inevitably lead to greater benefits for all, especially Canadian businesses and consumers.

For five years the UAE was patiently negotiating with the Canadian government. However, the counter offers for landing rights were so pathetic that it was deemed insulting to the UAE.

Harper forgot that the UAE had provided Canada with a base for nine years with no compensation, the UAE had encouraged its citizens to go to Canada for post-secondary education and pay the international fees and costs related thereto, and the UAE was ready, willing and able to invest vast quantities of money to push trade between the countries forward.

Disdain for even diplomats

Most of all, Harper forgot, or did not care, that the UAE and other emerging nations like it have pride and self respect and don’t want to be “taken for a ride”. Humility is not a value that the Harper government seems to promote as is demonstrated by the disdain with which it treated the UAE’s requests and its diplomatic staff, including the UAE Ambassador to Canada without the general courtesies reserved for diplomatic staff.

The Harper government is willing to protect Air Canada from a marginal effect on its business to maintain the status quo, at the expense of robust and energetic investments by the UAE carriers, which would create a multitude of new jobs, opportunities and options for consumers.

I am a Canadian, born and raised. For over three years I have lived in Dubai and seen the potential in this region. I have learned that the world is bigger, more vibrant and dynamic and the opportunities immense, not just in the UAE — but the whole of the Middle East, Africa and the Indian subcontinent.
It seems reasonable for the Canadian government to encourage its citizens and businesses to reach out to this region and build commercial, political and social ties — not to limit or restrict the development of such ties over as petty an issue as expanded landing rights.

Canada itself, especially the bigger cities, is a multicultural hub with many people still connected to their roots in these Asian regions (for example, Lebanon, India, Pakistan and Iran). It would be beneficial for the Canadian government to exploit the advantages afforded by the diversity of its citizenry and capitalise on the prospects related to such peoples’ connections with their home regions.

Stephen Harper’s world is limited by his vision. Air Canada’s business is protected by its connections. At the end of the day, if Harper doesn’t accommodate the reasonable requests of the UAE, the average Canadian will lose out on golden opportunities in this region.
People will respect you more Harper if you acknowledge you made a mistake and extend the hand of friendship again to the people of the UAE.

Taha Tawawala is a Canadian lawyer based in the UAE.
     
     
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Well they have to have some sort of staff crew at the local destination. That being said, many airlines generally contract ground handling services out to different companies, such as Servisair and Handlex, which saves the airline quite a bit of money as they would only need to hire a handful of others to manage the contracting company. Either that, or they contract it to other airlines who are part of the same air alliance. For instance, Air Canada handles all of Air New Zealand and Air China's ground crew staff in YVR. Air New Zealand and Air China also only has a handful of agents who overlook Air Canada's ground crew work as well as prepare for their flights. British Airways and Cathay Pacific have separate pools of ground crew agents, but some work for both airlines. Cathay Pacific, I know, has a separate team in Vancouver as they have many flights to HKG, and flights to JFK.

Next time you fly, check the uniform of the person checking you in. If it's the same uniform of the person at the information counter, or someone of a more higher authority position, then you know you are being served by the airline ground crew team. If not, then the airline contracts ground crew agents to another company.
yah i don't fly ever so but i know i've looked at the careers site for YVR many times and they all funnell you to a company that deals with a lot fo the services so its kind of sucks cause you don't get some of the great travel benefits when you are employed by the airline
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Strong perspective from a Canadian lawyer living in the UAE...
Uh, yeah, a really unbiased view from a "Canadian" lawyer who's been living in the UAE for three years and includes UAE government entities among his clients:
http://www.luqmanlegal.com/legal_team.htm

It seems that some folks just can't adjust to the fact that with commodity prices on an steady upward upward path, Canada is no longer content to be just a polite doormat for foreign companies. I love the Economist quote - the same rag that stated "Being the world’s largest producer of potash, an ingredient of fertiliser, is hardly strategic." Yeah, food isn't strategic.
     
     
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Uh, yeah, a really unbiased view from a "Canadian" lawyer who's been living in the UAE for three years and includes UAE government entities among his clients:
http://www.luqmanlegal.com/legal_team.htm

It seems that some folks just can't adjust to the fact that with commodity prices on an steady upward upward path, Canada is no longer content to be just a polite doormat for foreign companies. I love the Economist quote - the same rag that stated "Being the world’s largest producer of potash, an ingredient of fertiliser, is hardly strategic." Yeah, food isn't strategic.
^ Yeah, maybe Emirates (the airline) paid him to publish that.

EK can say whatever it wants and try and get what it wants, but when it doesn't, they resort to cry baby tactics.

I am seriously getting sick and tired of hearing about this issue. Time to move on.
     
     
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^ Yeah, maybe Emirates (the airline) paid him to publish that.

EK can say whatever it wants and try and get what it wants, but when it doesn't, they resort to cry baby tactics.

I am seriously getting sick and tired of hearing about this issue. Time to move on.

Agreed. I'm happy to move on, BUT .... first, I want to know if the added presence of Emirates in Canada will REALLY take away thousands of jobs ... or add them. Let's figure that one out first. Please
     
     
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Agreed. I'm happy to move on, BUT .... first, I want to know if the added presence of Emirates in Canada will REALLY take away thousands of jobs ... or add them. Let's figure that one out first. Please
The Air Canada (or another Canadian airline) doesn't think it is worth it to run 6 flights a week to UAE but the UAE wants more flights should tell you all you need to know. It isn't about connecting UAE to Canada.
     
     
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What kind of landing rights does Canada have in the UAE?

Does Air Canada fly to Dubai, India, etc. from Toronto?

I think no connection to India is a bigger problem than to UAE.
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What kind of landing rights does Canada have in the UAE?

Does Air Canada fly to Dubai, India, etc. from Toronto?

I think no connection to India is a bigger problem than to UAE.
Canada has reciprocal rights, 6 flights a week, 3 flights per week max for any one airline subject to veto by the other country. [link]
     
     
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