Salt Lake:Official development news thread - Part 2

[proxy]

I was looking at this photo of the inside of the Pantages/Utah theater and imagining the same color palate as the Capitol Theater's facade:



http://www.ballardphotographix.com/UtTheaImage2.htm

2005 Ballard Photographix

[proxy]

Originally Posted by proxy

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jerlich...n/photostream/

And this doesn't just ooze with architectural charm?!!!!




photos by urbanboy

They really want to tear this down?

I say let's kill this broadway theater project and put that money towards restoring the Pantages/Utah theater. Then we can reconsider a broadway-scale theater in a new location.

I guess this is goodbye?

[proxy]

Originally Posted by skyguy414

Salt Lake City unveils plans for new skyscraper

Salt Lake Tribune article: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50...plans.html.csp


Image courtesy of Salt Lake Tribune.

"Hamilton Partners said it will be build a 25-floor highrise at 100 S. Main St. that would connect to a planned Broadway-style play house through a galleria and shared entrance on Main Street."

I don't understand where the trucks will unload...

[Orlando]

I should take this as good news, but I am upset that they would prefer to tear down all those buildings, then to build on one of our many derelict parking lots scattered throughout downtown. Why?????!!!!!

[proxy]

Originally Posted by Orlando

I should take this as good news, but I am upset that they would prefer to tear down all those buildings, then to build on one of our many derelict parking lots scattered throughout downtown. Why?????!!!!!

The LDS church, who owns the property, can stop this if they want...

Really, Hamilton Partners wants to put their building there just so they can call it "111 South." Next they'll be building one at 333 South where shogun is. I'd rather they do that, or build their tower on Regent Street and use the MUAH building as it's Main Street entrance, like UB illustrated here below. I guess there would be a way they could still call the building 111 south Main in this location:

Originally Posted by proxy

Is anybody else worried about the timing of the proposed Broadway-scale theater on Main Street? If all the buildings from the corner of first south to the old Tribune building are demolished, that will leave a large gap in Main Street around, or soon after, the time of City Creek Center's opening. There is already a gap on the other side of the street. Could this gap on both sides actually prevent or discourage people from "trickling down Main Street" like all those involved in planning CCC hoped? If the broadway project were to go ahead, would there be a way to build it in stages?

urbanboy: "A development plan like this would have less of a negative impact on Main Street pedestrian traffic, and a positive impact on existing buildings:

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Or they can mirror the proposed development, and put it down on the parking lot at 400 South and Main Street Can someone do that with photoshop?

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by skyguy414

Salt Lake City unveils plans for new skyscraper

Salt Lake Tribune article: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50...plans.html.csp


Image courtesy of Salt Lake Tribune.

"Hamilton Partners said it will be build a 25-floor highrise at 100 S. Main St. that would connect to a planned Broadway-style play house through a galleria and shared entrance on Main Street."

Hell yea! I can't wait to see this project take off. I love the lobby area. Just think how ALIVE main street is going to be in 5-8 years with CCC opening and the theater just a block south.
There are alot of great things happening right now for downtown SLC.

[delts145]

Proposed office tower would be part of downtown Salt Lake performing arts center project

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...ject.html?pg=1

SALT LAKE CITY — An Illinois-based developer is proposing to build a 20- to 25-story office tower to complement the city's plans for a Broadway-style theater on Main Street.

Hamilton Partners is working with Swisher Garfield Traub to include a 425,000- to 450,000-square-foot office tower as part of the downtown performing arts center project.

The proposed office tower, which would include shops or a restaurant on the ground level, would be built on the southeast corner of 100 South and Main Street in the site currently occupied by Bennion Jewelers.

Though the office building and theater would be separate, the group's proposal calls for the two buildings to share a galleria-like lobby and entrance..

"We want this building to be very much coordinated with the performing arts center so they look like they're meant to be together," said Bruce Bingham of Hamilton Partners...

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[jtrent77]

Originally Posted by proxy

I don't understand where the trucks will unload...

at the back of the theatre, on Regent St.; the audience will be facing east when they are watching performances.

[proxy]

Originally Posted by jtrent77

at the back of the theatre, on Regent St.; the audience will be facing east when they are watching performances.

So the trucks will be blocking Regent street while they're unloading?

[Future Mayor]

No, it is designed so that trucks back into a loading dock area off of Regent St.

[arkhitektor]

Originally Posted by Orlando

I should take this as good news, but I am upset that they would prefer to tear down all those buildings, then to build on one of our many derelict parking lots scattered throughout downtown. Why?????!!!!!

Yeah, I'm not exactly giddy about this. My only hope is that given how long it takes for HP to get things going, someone will have come up with a better idea before they start tearing down the block to make way for this thing.

[wrendog]

Originally Posted by delts145

Proposed office tower would be part of downtown Salt Lake performing arts center project

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...ject.html?pg=1

SALT LAKE CITY — An Illinois-based developer is proposing to build a 20- to 25-story office tower to complement the city's plans for a Broadway-style theater on Main Street.

Hamilton Partners is working with Swisher Garfield Traub to include a 425,000- to 450,000-square-foot office tower as part of the downtown performing arts center project.

The proposed office tower, which would include shops or a restaurant on the ground level, would be built on the southeast corner of 100 South and Main Street in the site currently occupied by Bennion Jewelers.

Though the office building and theater would be separate, the group's proposal calls for the two buildings to share a galleria-like lobby and entrance..

"We want this building to be very much coordinated with the performing arts center so they look like they're meant to be together," said Bruce Bingham of Hamilton Partners...

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If this number is correct, expect it to be 20 stories not 25. 222 south main is 460k sq ft.

[proxy]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

No, it is designed so that trucks back into a loading dock area off of Regent St.

Yes, I assumed that. I'm wondering how you can tell that from this concept rendering, and which side the trucks unload on.

[proxy]

Originally Posted by arkhitektor

Yeah, I'm not exactly giddy about this. My only hope is that given how long it takes for HP to get things going, someone will have come up with a better idea before they start tearing down the block to make way for this thing.

Put the theater across the street, or put the whole development down on 400 south (same property owners)?

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by proxy

Yes, I assumed that. I'm wondering how you can tell that from this concept rendering, and which side the trucks unload on.

I am basing my assumptions on the previous concept/floor plan drawings of the theater and estimate that the layout would be somewhat similar in regards to the loading docks.

[Makid]

Put the theater across the street, or put the whole development down on 400 south (same property owners)?

The problem with both locations is the parking. City Creek doesn't have any excess parking available. Most people won't walk 1.5 to 2 blocks from parking yet. 4th South is even worse for any excess parking availablility.

Would you rather have no project or lose a few buildings which neither is on the historic preservation list.

Developers will build where they will get the greatest benefit. Right now that is where they are planning. To get any developer to build on the 4th South parking lot, there will need to be a draw for developers, low cost is not always a draw. Tenants need something nearby.

I agree that there are a lot of empty lots that need to be filled. But if a city started to force developers to build on these lots first, we would see a lot of crappy single story buildings like the ones that were put up before the Olympics where 222 now sits. All that would do in a lot of places is mean more empty storefronts. That doesn't help the city, people nor developers.

Sadly or positively depending on how people look at things, we will see more buildings being razed before we see any large developments happening on parking lots downtown.

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by wrendog

If this number is correct, expect it to be 20 stories not 25. 222 south main is 460k sq ft.

That is going off the assumption that the floor plate will be the same size. Looking at the rendering, the tower looks to be about the size of the existing Bennion Jewlers building, which is 150 (100 S) x 113 (Main). 222 approximate base is 150 (e/w) x 175 (Main).


So with smaller floor plates it could easily be 25 floors.

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by Makid

The problem with both locations is the parking. City Creek doesn't have any excess parking available. Most people won't walk 1.5 to 2 blocks from parking yet. 4th South is even worse for any excess parking availablility.

Would you rather have no project or lose a few buildings which neither is on the historic preservation list.

Developers will build where they will get the greatest benefit. Right now that is where they are planning. To get any developer to build on the 4th South parking lot, there will need to be a draw for developers, low cost is not always a draw. Tenants need something nearby.

I agree that there are a lot of empty lots that need to be filled. But if a city started to force developers to build on these lots first, we would see a lot of crappy single story buildings like the ones that were put up before the Olympics where 222 now sits. All that would do in a lot of places is mean more empty storefronts. That doesn't help the city, people nor developers.

Sadly or positively depending on how people look at things, we will see more buildings being razed before we see any large developments happening on parking lots downtown.

I agree with you completely on the 400 S location. However the proximity to the Regent St garage is still viable if the theater were to be placed on the block across the street, especially if a mid block access were still built from Main to Regent. Even without the mid block access, the garage would be just about 1.5 blocks from the theater.

[Future Mayor]

Brought over from CCC thread.

Originally Posted by proxy

not when the backside of this theater is facing it.

It all depends on how exactly how the theater is designed. It could be designed in a way that allows for some street level retail along Regent street in the same building as the theater and the "annex."

I am assuming that the LDS Church, (current land owner) RDA (other land owner), will encourage the design to be done in order to allow just that.

[Makid]

However the proximity to the Regent St garage is still viable if the theater were to be placed on the block across the street, especially if a mid block access were still built from Main to Regent. Even without the mid block access, the garage would be just about 1.5 blocks from the theater.

The biggest problem with this location is the amount of available space. They would need to cut into the Utah Theater to get the loading docks in as well as add a curb cut along West Temple. This could cause problems with the Power substation nearby.

I am not saying it isn't a possible location, I am just saying that the costs are going to be a lot higher on the west side of Main as opposed to the currently selected location.

The currently selected location also has the opportunity to increase development along Regent Street.

I think that while we may lose some buildings in the process, the benefit to the surrounding area will be greatly enhanced in the current location as opposed to moving it elsewhere.