NEW YORK | 200 Greenwich - 2 WTC | 1,226 FT | 55 FLOORS

[sterlippo1]

^^^ i know it, neither can i......... they are just fantastic

[Zapatan]

Well, just done popped another boner

[yankeesfan1000]

Damnit Zapatan, I'm sitting in class, read that and couldn't control myself. But anyways those renders are incredible, and some good progress on this one. If it is true the foundation and base will take around 3 years, it's hard to imagine a tenant won't be found by then.

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

Originally Posted by yankeesfan1000

Damnit Zapatan, I'm sitting in class, read that and couldn't control myself. But anyways those renders are incredible, and some good progress on this one. If it is true the foundation and base will take around 3 years, it's hard to imagine a tenant won't be found by then.

Well, in those econmic times. I think it's sad that they want to restore the lost space and those guys who have been tenants in the twin towers don't come back to the WTC-site again.

[STR]

^To be fair, those people DID almost die there, on top of that, many of those firms signed 10 or 20 year leases to replace the lost real estate downtown, and therefore wouldn't be looking to move for another year to another decade, as many didn't sign permanent leases until 2002 or 2003.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by STR

^To be fair, those people DID almost die there, on top of that, many of those firms signed 10 or 20 year leases to replace the lost real estate downtown, and therefore wouldn't be looking to move for another year to another decade, as many didn't sign permanent leases until 2002 or 2003.

As far as I can recall, the only confirmed tenant returning to the site is the Port Authority itself, and even they didn't really want to, settling for tower 4. In the end though, getting all of these towers built, at least up to street level goes a long way in helping to secure tenants. The messy part is being knocked out of the way, unlike the 15 Penn Plaza tower, which can only begin after the Hotel Pennsylvania is taken down, and Manhattan West, which will follow the platform construction over the Penn Station rails. Not to mention the 2 years' construction time being cut off of the towers by starting now.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by yankeesfan1000

Damnit Zapatan, I'm sitting in class, read that and couldn't control myself. But anyways those renders are incredible, and some good progress on this one. If it is true the foundation and base will take around 3 years, it's hard to imagine a tenant won't be found by then.

haha that's what I'm here for..

BTW, does anyone know what the highest floor/ occupied floor is in this tower, sometimes it's hard to gather from renderings, but I was just curious.

[winlinmac001]

Maybe STR should market his incredible renders (they are stunning and attractive) to potential tenants. Hey, you never know.

[STR]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

BTW, does anyone know what the highest floor/ occupied floor is in this tower, sometimes it's hard to gather from renderings, but I was just curious.

Seems to be the one right under the little flat area in the middle of the roof where the 4 notches meet, which puts it at an elevation of 1103 feet, assuming the building is 1250' add 8 feet if they did indeed bump it up to 1258.

Some views from the top floor of Tower 2:

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by STR

Seems to be the one right under the little flat area in the middle of the roof where the 4 notches meet, which puts it at an elevation of 1103 feet, assuming the building is 1250' add 8 feet if they did indeed bump it up to 1258.

Higher than that I would think, you mean 1278 not 1258, according to this diagram the 75th floor, the top office floor would be 1130 something, the top mechanical floor being 1200 something although it was hard to measure exactly





I had to scale it down but it measures 472 pixels to the top, 442 to the roof, 427 to the top floor and 388 to the top occupied floor.

If anyone could do the math with 472 being 1358 and 442 being about 1278 you could figure out the other two, although its not super important

[Zapatan]

ok i roughly figured it out,

tower 2's top occupied office floor is about 1132' while the top floor is about 1235' according to that diagram

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by STR

I remember how excited we were to see this one finally going up. But it will be lost in the background of it's taller brothers. Yet, its status as the first office tower built downtown after 9/11 gives it a special status. Imagine the day if and when Silverstein tops out the other towers. Call it greed, or whatever you want, but if not for this man's determination, we could be seeing a very different story Downtown. Tower 2 could be the last to rise, but it will be his crowning achievement when it does.

[STR]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Higher than that I would think, you mean 1278 not 1258, according to this diagram the 75th floor, the top office floor would be 1130 something, the top mechanical floor being 1200 something although it was hard to measure exactly

No, I actually meant 1350/1358, the height to the pinnacle, but it was 2AM, so I think I'm entitled to be off a digit.

1103 is the correct figure for my estimate, the cutaway diagram you're using is old, from the 2006 version of the building. All of the towers went through a minor redesign in 2007 as part of refining the designs. Tower 2, specifically, went through some facade changes and a slight rearrangement of its floors. Though, some of the info does conflict, so the top occupied floor could be one level higher.

Originally Posted by NYguy

I remember how excited we were to see this one finally going up. But it will be lost in the background of it's taller brothers.

No kidding. That shot is basically the equivalent of standing in the far corner of the building with the camera pressed against the window, craning to get a shot.

[Zapatan]

^oh I didn't know the tower had been redesigned since 2006, so you have an updated diagram?

Anyway this is a great building but it's kind of sad if it ends at 1100 feet, we need something to rival the twin towers in height. Let's hope they tweak it more.

[STR]

This building, because the top floors have such tiny floorplates, has at lot of mechanical floors. There's about 130 feet of mechanical space above the top office floor. It's just the nature of having a sliced off top like that. Having said that, we're going to have 3 towers here with office space up to around 1,100 feet (or more), versus two that had space up to about 1,250. Fair trade in my books.

If you disagree, I offer an alternative counterargument: 100 feet doesn't mean all that much in the 21st century, as evidenced by my other (taller) project I'm working on at the moment.

[CoolCzech]

Originally Posted by STR

Funny how the once-controversial "broken shard" concept worked its way into the final new WTC design in a truly huge way without hardly anyone even recognizing it.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by STR

This building, because the top floors have such tiny floorplates, has at lot of mechanical floors. There's about 130 feet of mechanical space above the top office floor. It's just the nature of having a sliced off top like that. Having said that, we're going to have 3 towers here with office space up to around 1,100 feet (or more), versus two that had space up to about 1,250. Fair trade in my books.

An even better trade when you consider that there will be basically four 1,000 ft or more towers on site. And each tower will have a fully distinctive design, part of a family, but not mirror images of each other. Each will be iconic in its own right - you could move either tower elsewhere in the city, and it would still hold up. Unfortunately, you couldn't do that with the originals. So, I'm greatful for the design of each, even tower 2's sloped crown, which tries to steal the show from it's brothers.

[STR]

^I aside from the roof, there isn't really anywhere on tower 4 you can stand where you're above 900 feet, so...calling it 1,000 feet in this context is a stretch. But as I vividly pointed out earlier, it's all splitting hairs and I'm being a hypocritical jerk right now. My apologies.

On a note related to our above discussion, while Tower 7 will be reduced in status, there's one building that's going to absolutely disappear: Barclay Vessey. No views from the building, no way to look at it unless your standing next to it. Even with the Vessey St podium wall, one could argue Yamasaki was kinder to it.

[BStyles]

Goldman Sachs on one side, 7 World Trade on the other, One World Trade in Front, and BNY Mellon behind it...they're really torturing this building now.

[Zerton]

Originally Posted by CoolCzech

Funny how the once-controversial "broken shard" concept worked its way into the final new WTC design in a truly huge way without hardly anyone even recognizing it.

I believe I've seen an interview with Foster saying that he was quite fond of Libeskind's 'spiral of obliquely cut roofs' (he worded this better) idea.