Salt Lake MSA Development Thread

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by delts145

SLCC groundbreaking

Deseret News:

An old building at the Salt Lake Community College Taylorsville campus has been demolished to make way for a new instructional and administration building. School and community officials held a groundbreaking ceremony for the new building Wednesday.


A Salt Lake Community College student walks past a demolition site at the Taylorsville campus. College and community officials held a groundbreaking Wednesday for a new Instructional and administration building that will be built at this site. (Stuart Johnson, Deseret News)


An old building at the Salt Lake Community College Taylorsville campus has been demolished to make way for a new instructional and administration building. School and community officials held a groundbreaking ceremony for the new building Wednesday. (Stuart Johnson, Deseret News)

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Which building was this, and are there renderings of the new one? I am a SLCC alumni

[WeST]

Originally Posted by Smuttynose1

Promised Land: How Utah became the new economic Zion

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/11/08/h...omic-zion.html

Interesting article, though light on data and analysis. I find it funny how the author clearly is astonished that a generally conservative and religious state could be prosperous. I guess he doesn't realize that one of the most successful states (economically) is Texas and last I checked, fell into both those categories.

I also love the attitude of our politicians and reps. who are going fiercely after the huge gold mines of talent and money in California. While California electing another liberal democrat as governor is a disaster for tax paying citizens, it will be a bonanza for states like Utah who will continue to benefit from the brain drain of that state.

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by WeST

Interesting article, though light on data and analysis. I find it funny how the author clearly is astonished that a generally conservative and religious state could be prosperous. I guess he doesn't realize that one of the most successful states (economically) is Texas and last I checked, fell into both those categories.

I also love the attitude of our politicians and reps. who are going fiercely after the huge gold mines of talent and money in California. While California electing another liberal democrat as governor is a disaster for tax paying citizens, it will be a bonanza for states like Utah who will continue to benefit from the brain drain of that state.

I was seriously worried California would elect Meg Whitman and end our gravy train of high tech company immigrants. Luckily they chose to keep focusing on social issues instead of rescuing their economy.

[i-215]

Originally Posted by Orlando

Which building was this, and are there renderings of the new one? I am a SLCC alumni

http://www.slccglobelink.com/mobile/...ding-1.2374030

[Orlando]

Thanks. That is tremendous that they will recycle/re-use 75% of the building! Excellent!

[SLCforme]

Originally Posted by s.p.hansen

I was seriously worried California would elect Meg Whitman and end our gravy train of high tech company immigrants. Luckily they chose to keep focusing on social issues instead of rescuing their economy.

yes, yes of course, because money is more important than people.

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by SLCforme

yes, yes of course, because money is more important than people.

Everything must come in a season. The task of tackling social issues is important to any government and body of citizens, but keeping a balance is key. Just as in real life you must take time away from contemplation to chop wood for the fireplace, or retrieve a bucket full of coal to put on the stove, so it is that you must at times remove yourself from the perpetual problem of adjusting government to the exact calibration to meet the social issues best and take time to make sure there is still fuel to keep you alive.

Balance is hard and certainly much more complex than simply caring about people vs. money. Even postulating such a simple two choice scenario is very naive.

[delts145]

Redwood Road property rezoned for commercial use

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/neighbo...enter.html.csp

West Valley City • The City Council has rezoned two parcels on Redwood Road that are envisioned as the site of a new shopping center...

...Van Nguyen, the rezoning applicant, hopes to anchor the shopping center with Hong Phat Market. The Asian market, now located at 3086 S. Redwood Road, is looking to expand, according to a city report on the zoning change application...

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[delts145]

Holladay panel recommends changes in concept for downtown development

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/neighbo...llage.html.csp

Holladay • An advisory committee wants to send a developer back to the drawing board, a year after the city Planning Commission approved the company’s plan for the Village Center.

Developer Cowboy Partners envisions ground-level shops and restaurants topped by apartments as the heart of this downtown project. But the committee says the design has too little retail and too many apartments to be financially successful...

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[WeST]

Originally Posted by delts145

Holladay panel recommends changes in concept for downtown development

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/neighbo...llage.html.csp

Holladay • An advisory committee wants to send a developer back to the drawing board, a year after the city Planning Commission approved the company’s plan for the Village Center.

Developer Cowboy Partners envisions ground-level shops and restaurants topped by apartments as the heart of this downtown project. But the committee says the design has too little retail and too many apartments to be financially successful...

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Unfortunately we have gotten to the point in society where we are such busy bodies that now we tell developers that their business model won't work. I am bugged when I see bureaucrats pretending they are developers. Let them build and let the market decide if it is financially viable.

[John Martin]

Originally Posted by WeST

Unfortunately we have gotten to the point in society where we are such busy bodies that now we tell developers that their business model won't work. I am bugged when I see bureaucrats pretending they are developers. Let them build and let the market decide if it is financially viable.

The thing is, the complaints aren't really that the development wouldn't be financially viable, they're that it simply wouldn't be desirable for the city. I think complaints about too many apartments and too little parking just arise from parents being too full of themselves. Cowboy Partners is countering their complaints by saying the current model is the only financially viable one. But when the city is paying for the development, it's not just the 'bureaucrat's' responsibility to determine if it is a good investment financially, but a worthwhile development for the city's residents as well.

[Orlando]

I sure hope they allow for apartments over shops. This kind of development is so common place in pedestrian friendly urban areas. It's about time, other cities in Utah adopt this kind of development.

[SLC Projects]

I just wish the city would just these guys break ground already and quit messing around. I like the idea of having all these housing units above the retails. The Salt Lake metro could use more urban development like this.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by s.p.hansen

Everything must come in a season. The task of tackling social issues is important to any government and body of citizens, but keeping a balance is key. Just as in real life you must take time away from contemplation to chop wood for the fireplace, or retrieve a bucket full of coal to put on the stove, so it is that you must at times remove yourself from the perpetual problem of adjusting government to the exact calibration to meet the social issues best and take time to make sure there is still fuel to keep you alive.

Balance is hard and certainly much more complex than simply caring about people vs. money. Even postulating such a simple two choice scenario is very naive.

As if Meg Whitman had the first clue how to fix CA's economic problems.

[SLCforme]

Originally Posted by s.p.hansen

Everything must come in a season. The task of tackling social issues is important to any government and body of citizens, but keeping a balance is key. Just as in real life you must take time away from contemplation to chop wood for the fireplace, or retrieve a bucket full of coal to put on the stove, so it is that you must at times remove yourself from the perpetual problem of adjusting government to the exact calibration to meet the social issues best and take time to make sure there is still fuel to keep you alive.

Balance is hard and certainly much more complex than simply caring about people vs. money. Even postulating such a simple two choice scenario is very naive.

I concur. You were the one who put forth the false dichotomy "Luckily they chose to keep focusing on social issues instead of rescuing their economy." And I of course was being hyperbolic. A governments job is manifold, and dealing with economic issues is certainly one of them. However, I grow tired of the economy being essentially the only thing the right wing tends to focus on (religious/moral issues aside... as they really should actually be in a "secular" nation). I should probably stop here, but since I'm a little tipsy I'll go on to say that our entire economy is built on perception of value that is invented and imaginary, and must eventually fail, if for no other reason than that "prosperous" in our economy is defined as continual expansion, which is of course impossible on a planet with finite space and resources. But hell, now I'm boring myself with abstractions. I'll shut up and just say that I hope the zombie apocalypse will eventually bring about the justified demise of the plague on the planet that is humankind

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by SLCforme

I concur. You were the one who put forth the false dichotomy "Luckily they chose to keep focusing on social issues instead of rescuing their economy." And I of course was being hyperbolic. A governments job is manifold, and dealing with economic issues is certainly one of them. However, I grow tired of the economy being essentially the only thing the right wing tends to focus on (religious/moral issues aside... as they really should actually be in a "secular" nation).

Really bad recessions sort of call for different themes. Right now Americans are concerned the most about the economy and voted to support candidates who make that their emphasis. And both parties engage in religious debates and moral debates. Just as hoaky as intelligent design is to the Democrats so is allowing the institution of Sharia law in America seen as hoaky to the Republicans. And both draw from moral a priori knowledge to justify defending religious and moral "social issues". Just as conservatives push the life affirming moral stance against abortion so do the liberals push the life affirming moral stance against expanding our war in the middle east. Isn't it great how fragmentation works?

I should probably stop here, but since I'm a little tipsy I'll go on to say that our entire economy is built on perception of value that is invented and imaginary, and must eventually fail, if for no other reason than that "prosperous" in our economy is defined as continual expansion, which is of course impossible on a planet with finite space and resources. But hell, now I'm boring myself with abstractions. I'll shut up and just say that I hope the zombie apocalypse will eventually bring about the justified demise of the plague on the planet that is humankind

For you to assume that things that function as currency are imaginary would also presuppose that you believe in reals. Do you think human social constructs are illusions? I don't, but I'm a Pragmatist and not a Platonist.

[proxy]

Can we please stick to development?

[Orlando]

Yes. Let's keep this thread development related only please.

[KevinFromTexas]

Stick to the topic.

[jedikermit]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

As Hyatt continues to increase its presence in Utah with this announcement, combined with the non full-service properties already in SL Valley, I wouldn't be surprised to see them enter DT SLC with a full Service HYATT in the next 5 or so years. Maybe the Convention Hotel could be a Hyatt after all.

I just got back from a weeklong conference in Denver, and stayed at their Hyatt Regency @ Convention Center. It was fantastic. Great service, very nice rooms, outstanding location--loved it. If SLC could swing something like that with Hyatt and the Salt Palace, it would elevate the kinds of conventions we could get substantially.