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Old Posted Nov 9, 2010, 3:48 AM
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Nenshi's twit interactions that Bigtime posted a page prior is circulating on the wider Internet... had someone not from Calgary send it to me today.
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2010, 2:49 PM
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I'm raging against Mar again this morning, does this make any sense to any of you?

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Rookie Ald. Gian-Carlo Carra, questioned a motion to go behind closed doors Tuesday during a Land and Asset Strategy committee meeting, saying he heard during the election campaign Calgarians aren’t happy with such “random” decisions.

Ald. John Mar asked committee to go behind closed doors because he had some sensitive questions to ask bureaucrats on one agenda item.
So Mar asks to go in-camera to ask some "sensitive questions" but then after some debating on the matter:

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The committee voted 4-3 to go behind closed doors and those who supported it included Carra, Ald. Druh Farrell, Ald. Richard Pootmans and Ald. Dale Hodges.

Mar, who asked for the behind-closed doors discussion, Keating and Ald. Andre Chabot voted against the motion.
So Mar puts forward a motion to go in-camera, and the votes against it? Am I missing something here?

Or is it just another classic example of Mar being the ultimate fence sitter and not bringing anything of value to city council? Go leave for provincial/federal politics already and let Pashak get in there.

Full article here: http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/2010/11/09/16057761.html
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I'm raging against Mar again this morning, does this make any sense to any of you?



So Mar asks to go in-camera to ask some "sensitive questions" but then after some debating on the matter:



So Mar puts forward a motion to go in-camera, and the votes against it? Am I missing something here?

Or is it just another classic example of Mar being the ultimate fence sitter and not bringing anything of value to city council? Go leave for provincial/federal politics already and let Pashak get in there.

Full article here: http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/2010/11/09/16057761.html

I wonder if the Sun switched Carra's and Mar's names around.
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2010, 3:20 PM
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Hmm, that could be the case. Or it's just more Mar flip-flopping.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2010, 5:35 AM
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Political parties more and more seem to be the single biggest problem in our modern democratic systems. At all levels. Plus, they just make voters stupid - remember how many people voted Republican in the US in 2004 because they thought Republicans supported "small government"?

Not sure I've seen a large federalist system without parties though, so it's possible the alternative could be worse. I cannot for the life of me imagine the purpose of parties in municipal politics, regardless.
I agree with Sir Humphrey Appleby. Political parties help consolidate the ideas and perspectives which could largely be considered the dominant ways of thinking in the electorate. You would therefore conclude the size of the parties would be proportional in some way to the level of agreement elicited from the electorate.

I don't think parties make voters stupid. But on the other hand, not having parties makes voters confused. The number one comment I had on the doors regarding the 2010 Calgary Civic Election mayoral race was "I'm confused" or "there's too many people running".

Without parties, name recognition will be a dominant factor as SHA states. Yet, parties also have name recognition that plays a factor in elections. So in my opinion you can’t get away from name recognition because people will most always go towards that which is familiar, whether a person or a party.

When I ran in 2010, my team and I had to build our own party. At the start we had no data, few hands, no money, and little meaningful name recognition. Throughout the campaign we had to build these things. Clearly an incumbent of 27 years would have superior name recognition, data, and volunteers. Yet, given the results of the 2010 election for Calgary Ward 1 it’s clear that it is possible to get your name out there and build that profile.

Is it tough? Absolutely. Is it impossible? No.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2010, 2:56 PM
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What you say makes sense for the few informed voters out there. Unfortunately, the party system ends up generally being like a football game. People just keep supporting "their team" without ever actually thinking about why. I can count on one hand the number of people I know who've actually switched party allegiance in the past 20 years - short of a major scandal, or just a general "time for someone new" feeling. Most people just keep voting for the same party over and over, even with massive policy shifts within that party (the US is a great case in point, as is Alberta for that matter).

And of course, the entire system assumes that a given party can encompass a particular voter's beliefs. I've yet to see this work for me federally or provincially. How the heck would you even assign Nenshi to any of the traditional parties in this country? I have a very hard time pigeonholing him, and yet clearly the voters in Calgary are satisfied with the whole package.

I dunno, it just seems like it takes much of thinking out of the process for most people. Party politics is mostly about buzzwords and a few hot-button issues these days.

But I'm naive. You guys talk about things like "name recognition" and "consolidating platforms". I'm naive enough to think that voters might actually take 5 minutes out of their lives to pretend to read enough to be informed. I know, I'm a hopeless optimist when it comes to politics. This is also why at the end of the day I'm one of the most disenfranchised voters out there - because I'm keenly aware that most people don't spend the 5 minutes, and it's really all about name recognition and comfort levels.

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^ Chris, I didn't go back and check, but I am glad that being through the wringer of a local election process hasmade you come around to the ideas with parties (I seem to remember you thinking they would be substantially negative at best)

I am wondering what you think about this article from up in Edmonton: A pundit tries his hand at politics, any impressions you would add from your experience?
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Chris, just want to congratulate you on a terrific campaign. I really, really wish someone as sophisticated and intelligent as you got Ward 1 and not Hodges, who hasn't changed at all since the 70s.
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Chris, just want to congratulate you on a terrific campaign. I really, really wish someone as sophisticated and intelligent as you got Ward 1 and not Hodges, who hasn't changed at all since the 70s.
Let me second that, a damn shame you didn't get the chair.
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Let me second that, a damn shame you didn't get the chair.
Thanks guys You make it sound like it was the last election Calgary would ever have!
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2010, 7:53 PM
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Oh you didn't hear that Nenshi is dissolving council and becoming our supreme emperor?
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2010, 9:40 PM
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^ Chris, I didn't go back and check, but I am glad that being through the wringer of a local election process hasmade you come around to the ideas with parties (I seem to remember you thinking they would be substantially negative at best)

I am wondering what you think about this article from up in Edmonton: A pundit tries his hand at politics, any impressions you would add from your experience?
Now that's an interesting read. Here’s a long response!

He talks about looking for a campaign manager. I had the choice of experience or someone I knew I could trust without a doubt. I chose to go with the later. I felt that my campaign manager and I could learn what was needed to execute. What would nag me awake at 2am would be questions of trust and competence. I chose to sleep at night!

I started to consider running very early. Sept of 2009. For me, the planning began the moment I decided this was something I should do; win or lose. I marinated is as much information about campaigns, municipal issues, and what being an Alderman was really about. It meant discussions with my spouse and my family. I never ran because others told me I should. I ran because I decided to run and because my spouse let me (they pay a price throughout the campaign and after... especially if the candidate wins!).

I launched officially in Feb 2010. This was against the wishes of my campaign manager. I wanted the head start to hit the doors and meet as many people as possible. He later admitted it was the right move!

That had a price though which I knew would come. In order to run a campaign starting in Feb 2010 all the way to Oct 2010 I needed endurance. I felt like quitting at least 6 times until nomination day came around. I kept myself going by saying "If you don't feel like quitting at least a few times, you're not working hard enough". I also prepared myself before hand from my research that those moments would come. That statement became my anchor.

I disagree with the feeling that a campaign is no place for comedy. If you can’t laugh at yourself or have others laugh at/with you, it’s going to be a long road. Take my story about going into the Bow to rescue one of my large format signs. Yeah, it’s a funny story and looks desperate, but as I stated at the forum “why waste what can be saved?” So it was funny but had real meaning behind it.

Campaign volunteers are awesome! It’s impossible to run a legitimate campaign without them. All of my volunteers believed in me and I involved them in decisions regardless of what role they played. Most importantly, I made sure that my core team were not “yes” people. I’m most likely to agree with myself already; so, it’s a waste of opinions if everyone around me does too! (this was something I brought over from my professional life)

We ran our campaign with a virtual campaign office leveraging Microsoft SharePoint, SalesForce, and Google Maps for coordination (example of maps on my facebook page). My feeling was that me and my volunteers should be out on the streets and not on couches in an office. The best part of this technology approach was that ipad, iphones, and blackberries all had access to virtual office tools from anywhere!

So what about the challenging parts…..

I’m a consultant. Very used to having my ideas criticized. It took a lot of thinking to get used to the idea that constant criticism is part of being an Alderman and being a candidate. I mean, I knew I would be criticized, but wow is that an understatement. Sometimes I would receive voicemails, most often emails. Once I was getting a coffee and actually had someone recognize me and become very angry towards me right in a coffee shop about an issue I had nothing to do with and was actually trying to have addressed! At the end of the day, I got used to it. It was simply something my mind had to adjust to.

The campaign all started with me back in Sept 2009. I grew this idea, made my positions, developed my own website, assessed the landscape, and built my core team. Then along comes my Campaign Manager to take it all away! Letting go was really tough. Eventually I did let it go… most of it anyway! I refused to have anyone see my emails before I did, touch my social media, or write my blog posts (I’m sure you can find spelling errors to prove this!). If you called my campaign you got my cell phone and I returned calls personally as soon as possible. Authenticity is important to me. The website and graphics were also something I did myself. I’m very particular about presentation and so kept my fingers on those things.

Would I run again? Yes. Would I do things differently? Some. Am I sad I lost? Hell no.

I look back at Chris Harper in 2009 and look at myself now and realize that I know so much more about the people, processes, and opportunities we have in Calgary than I ever did. Despite losing I gained so much.

Our City is complex with so many people and organizations all with different visions of what it should be. Things makes for a lot of disagreement, but also gives us a lot of potential. I’m diving right back into my work with the Federation of Calgary Communities, Chamber of Commerce, and am even going to be helping out on some more civically active organizations. All very exciting!
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2010, 9:47 PM
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^ Chris, I didn't go back and check, but I am glad that being through the wringer of a local election process hasmade you come around to the ideas with parties (I seem to remember you thinking they would be substantially negative at best)

I am wondering what you think about this article from up in Edmonton: A pundit tries his hand at politics, any impressions you would add from your experience?
Forgot to respond to the parties bit. I wouldn't say I'm for or against parties, but curious. All it will take is one group organizing a credible party and others will have to follow to stay competitive with an organized machine running candidates and providing them with data. I would say PGIB seems closest to this in Calgary right now.
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I would say PGIB seems closest to this in Calgary right now.
And we saw how well it worked for those extremist freaks.
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And we saw how well it worked for those extremist freaks.
Every failure makes them less wrong then they were before. They did get Peter D. on Council with Craig Chandler as his Ward Assistant. I imagine we will see the (re)emergence of a not-PGIB organization soonish.
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Saw this on another forum and figured you guys would like a laugh on a Friday afternoon -

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I haven't seen it posted here yet.

There's a Nenshi mural graffiti piece in the Kensington area (I think).



It was done by some members of a group that my friend belongs to.

Read/see more about the piece and the group of artists at their website/blog:

http://fairstyle.ca/

CBC news story:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2...heed-nenshi-graffiti-art-kensington.html
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City Budget Adjustments

Well the proposed budget is now released. Any thoughts?

You can find the detailed version here:

http://c2783962.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspace...tments_to_business_plans_and_budgets.pdf

The "buffet" of optional adjustments are found here:

http://c2783962.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspace...s_to_2011_business_plans_and_budgets.pdf

I wouldn't put too much weight on the press release summary. With these things you need to read between the lines. I'll be putting my thoughts up on my blog (site will be up shortly) soon.

Chris
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Can someone confirm that the huge 6.7% increase in property taxes is the equivalent to only about $3 extra a paycheque (assuming 26 paydays a year)? It seems barely worth mentioning.
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Can someone confirm that the huge 6.7% increase in property taxes is the equivalent to only about $3 extra a paycheque (assuming 26 paydays a year)? It seems barely worth mentioning.
$79 a year is what I saw as a quote. $6/month, so yeah, $3/paycheque.
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