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Old Posted Nov 9, 2010, 8:33 PM
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Don't quit your day job. Your mock up render is some of the worst shit I've yet to lay eyes on.
I'm guessing you skipped/ignored the part where he said he spent 1-hour on it.



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Dude, I would take your proposal any day of the true one.
You can add my name to that list!
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2010, 8:36 PM
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Dude, I would take your proposal any day over the true one. At least your design displayed experiment and originality. If you designed those in only an hour, then someone could design the true proposals in 15 minutes, haha!
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“It’s stunning,” said one person closely involved in the project. “It doesn’t look like any office building you’ve seen.”



If that box design rendering is the real design and what could lead someone to say "it doesn't look like any office building you've seen," I don't know what else I can say...
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“It’s stunning,” said one person closely involved in the project. “It doesn’t look like any office building you’ve seen.”



If that box design rendering is the real design and what could lead someone to say "it doesn't look like any office building you've seen," I don't know what else I can say...
Well, technically, we don't have any office buildings with protruding boxes~
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Likewise, many people are too easily fooled by shiny renders of the otherwise dull box in the "real" proposal.
But remember that for office construction, the quality of the curtain wall will make that shiny box appear like the render - unlike many residential projects.
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I think there is definitely some confusion surrounding two completely different proposals on the table. I can't offer any details yet as I'm not even sure this was supposed to be public already.
^This would suggest that perhaps there is a second concept out there...?
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"it doesn't look like any office building you've seen"....more like, "it looks like every other crappy, bland building built in Vancouver over the last decade."-
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“It’s stunning,” said one person closely involved in the project. “It doesn’t look like any office building you’ve seen.”



If that box design rendering is the real design and what could lead someone to say "it doesn't look like any office building you've seen," I don't know what else I can say...
I think it is this quote that made the now "fake" proposal so plausible, because its general design is something we don't have in Vancouver (looked more akin to a project in Asia where they actually play with design) and with a little work could have become truly stunning.

There is absolutely nothing stunning or original about the "true" proposal. You can not honestly tell me it will not fade into the background once its completed. the fake proposal is a design that would have grabbed peoples attention, love it or hate it you would definitely be aware of it, while the true proposal is a text book "safe" design for Vancouver.
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"it doesn't look like any office building you've seen"....more like, "it looks like every other crappy, bland building built in Vancouver over the last decade."-
But were they office buildings?
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But were they office buildings?
Is that supposed to make it better?

And yes as stated before that equally boring Crossroads project is an ugly stepchild to this ode to plain and/or boring
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Is that supposed to make it better?
No, it's just a word game to make his statement not any less true than it is. We should have paid attention to this!

If he would have said not like any BUILDING! lol
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I'd like to see tall semi-circular or oval buildings more in the city centre. Think of Bentall 5. Think of Sheraton Wall Centre. Those buildings are alluring.
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Over time, the fake proposal would have been loved about as much as the former Price Waterhouse Centre is today:

http://www.emporis.com/application/?...ncouver-canada

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It would have been nice to have a non-rectangular floorplate - like that building that's being reclad at La Defense in Paris. But energy efficiency, etc. dictate uniform floorplates and minimizing exterior walls...
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The actual proposal (at least one concept):
Seymour & Georgia & Richards: 2fl base
Seymour & Georgia: 5fl +roof
Richards & Georgia: 17fl +roof
Robson & Richards: 26fl visible

Any guesses as to how many sq ft in this rendering?

It would be nice if the Kingston wasn't a nail house, and agreed to sell its land in exchange for space in the new building or an equity share of it. That should work better for both sides

On an individual case level, I don't mind losing the alley (at least on the Georgia side)

I wouldn't want to lose alleys on a large scale though. Curb side trash is a smelly mess. Will the City retain the right of way, does compensation have to be paid, is this common?

Longer term alleys could be better organized where it's only slow commercial vehicles (doing deliveries at service entrance, picking up trash) or those accessing underground parking entrances, have light controlled crossings of roads synchronized with parallel roads, and make for a great network of bike or bus lanes. You lose virtually no throughput on roads, in fact there would be more road lanes available and fewer vehicles entering or exiting those lanes in the middle of moving traffic. You gain a huge network targeted for traffic faster than pedestrian but slower than cars. Bury the hydro lines, add some lighting, signal the road crossing, and ticket anything blocking the alley.

Bikes, skateboards, rollerblades, segways... imagine the possibilities. I call it the inner city seawall
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2010, 9:16 PM
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On an individual case level, I don't mind losing the alley (at least on the Georgia side)

I wouldn't want to lose alleys on a large scale though. Curb side trash is a smelly mess. Will the City retain the right of way, does compensation have to be paid, is this common?
Most large projects in Vancouver have required the closure of an alley (i.e. Vancouver Centre, Pacific Centre, Hudson's Bay, Hotel Vancouver, Park Place.

The alley could be turned into an "L". We don't see an alley exit on Seymour, so if it's a "L" it must exit to Richards (likely alongside the Kingston).
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What it shows is how ridiculous some people can be sometimes.
I know eh? How ridiculous some people can be in that all they do is whine about how bland all of Vancouver's tower proposals are, and then once someone experiments a little how they are immediately against it and then celebrate when they find out we are getting another bland, rectangular sea foam green box with a poorly placed non original protruding box on the side.
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The glass box is very Telus-ish. They should replace the tree in a box with some exotic zoo animal like a giraffe though
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I know eh? How ridiculous some people can be in that all they do is whine about how bland all of Vancouver's tower proposals are, and then once someone experiments a little how they are immediately against it and then celebrate when they find out we are getting another bland, rectangular sea foam green box with a poorly placed non original protruding box on the side.
I know eh? Some people just cannot appreciate the display of genius from "Henriquez" that we saw. "Henriquez" is so misunderstood. "Henriquez" is ahead of his time. The boldness, the originality, the uniqueness of "Henriquez's" design will only be grasped in a distant future.
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So... color me confused.

Is the seafoam green building the actual proposal... or as the post says: "one concept"
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I am assuming it's one concept, as it looks to be neither 22 or 43 floors.
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