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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 8:14 PM
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You'll have an easier time convincing me to extend the line from UBC to Bowen Island and Gibsons.
UBC line would most logically extend southward with a couple more stops on campus, down 41st, up renfrew/rupert/boundary, west on hastings to downtown

then extend the hastings line towards SFU, perhaps even all the way to campus with a connection to the Burquitlam evergreen stations

at least following the logic of upgrading overcrowded buses at maximum frequency first because you know the ridership is there for a 15k - 70k pphpd

where there is growth, but room to add busses today then do that asap. it's almost a completely different system when you get bus frequencies down to 10 minutes or less, there is no need to plan in order to use it. will be really interesting to see if ridership begins to determine service levels with the two-way relationship of smart card data and distance based fares
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 8:45 PM
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Please look at Google Maps, and notice
a) UBC
b) Downtown (not including Stanley Park)
c) North Shore

There is an inconvenient chunk of water called 'English Bay' that would require a 10 KM tunnel under the water to get back Downtown from UBC. This extension would double-back on the line running under the Broadway corridor.

You'll have an easier time convincing me to extend the line from UBC to Bowen Island and Gibsons.
Uh I know there is water around UBC I am not dumb as you make me out to be. Spending 4 years there kind of allows me to know what surrounds UBC.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 9:04 PM
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Probably had something to do with overcrowding...people keeping doors open and the trains timing out. Was on the Canada Line this morning, and Bridgeport was packed at around 08:30, so that explains why.

Time to start putting the extra trains in, and having staff at the platforms to manage the doors. Somewhere Mr. X is smiling...
A train unable to close its doors does not cause it to "time out".

These trains apparently have stalled between stations likely due to some communication issue. A timed out train means a train that is no longer communicating with the central computers.

When a train has people holding doors for extended times, it eventually opens all the doors on the platform and waits for someone to intervene, but the train is still fully communicating with the system.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 9:10 PM
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A train unable to close its doors does not cause it to "time out".

These trains apparently have stalled between stations likely due to some communication issue. A timed out train means a train that is no longer communicating with the central computers.

When a train has people holding doors for extended times, it eventually opens all the doors on the platform and waits for someone to intervene, but the train is still fully communicating with the system.
Hmm, thats an interesting point. If this is the case, I wonder if it'll be under "Warranty" by Hyundai
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 9:41 PM
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Uh I know there is water around UBC I am not dumb as you make me out to be. Spending 4 years there kind of allows me to know what surrounds UBC.
Dumb enough to suggest a 3 billion dollar underwater subway for an express commute that hardly anyone ever makes.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 10:15 PM
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UBC line would most logically extend southward with a couple more stops on campus, down 41st, up renfrew/rupert/boundary, west on hastings to downtown

then extend the hastings line towards SFU, perhaps even all the way to campus with a connection to the Burquitlam evergreen stations
Most logically??? Really? Come on. Build new lines for these places. We don't need one super-line crisscrossing the region.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 10:23 PM
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I hope fantasy talk should be refrained from this general transit thread.

Here is the explanation for today prolonged C-Line glitch:
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Jason Chan, spokesman for ProTrans BC, which operates the Canada Line, said Thursday officials were still trying to determine what caused the glitch, which is related to the traction between the train's wheels and a section of the spur line between Bridgeport and Brighouse stations.

In two separate incidents on Wednesday and Thursday, a train stopped immediately on the tracks near Lansdowne and Aberdeen after its emergency system "sensed traction between the train's wheels and the rail tracks was not up to optimum standard," Chan said.

Canada Line immediately started running a single track train shuttle between the two stations and doubled the number of trains between Waterfront and Bridgeport. ProTrans BC also asked Coast Mountain to provide extra buses on route along No. 3 Road.

On Thursday service wasn't restored until about noon. The service disruption led to crowded platforms at Bridgeport.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Safety+...sengers/3778624/story.html#ixzz14M552LTh
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 10:47 PM
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Leaves on the track maybe??
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2010, 11:20 PM
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There's some crazy people in this thread.

The only real point I want to make is that (it's probably been mentioned but I don't want to sift through 369 pages) in general, transportation backbones which the Skytrain lines qualify as, are not built just for density especially residential. They are also built for the 'working man' trying to go to work. So you can't simply say:

"Well the Broadway cooridor is high density so it should have a Skytrain line." This is why project studies aren't done in 2 days like some people would like them to be done in. When you are looking for new lines and planning transit maps out you have to look at the entire picture including the destination, route, and where the origin is.

So the UBC line wouldn't be built for the Broadway cooridor, it would instead make sense to go along that route to help out and or give alternatives to people living there. The reason it would be built though is to get the workers and students to and from UBC from other parts of Metro Vancouver much like the line out to YVR is meant to help the 20,000+ workers that commute there every day even though Sea Island has a residential population of next to nothing.

For UBC alone you'd have to correctly sit down and look at where the student and worker populations originate from. If for example you have 20,000 students at UBC but 10,000 live on campus, then you can't say "look they have 20,000 students!" when it comes to transit, you have to take the lesser number because those living on campus students will spend most time there and don't fully qualify against the equation. Same with workers. If you simply go 20,000 people work on campus you have to figure out where most originate from. If 10,000 live south of the fraser and you build a line that links UBC to North Vancouver (as has been mentioned), will that help? Probably not. Same deal if you build a skytrain extension but for those people living south of fraser there is no effective way for them to get to skytrain in the first place, then again you aren't solving anything. If it turns out 75% of the people at UBC live on the broadway cooridor then there is a good argument. Not to mention you don't have a solution that involves telling people "Well move closer to Vancouver" since the bulk of people in Metro Van live 'out of town in the burbs' so those living 'in town' are actually the minority here.

Same thing building a line anywhere. Would you build a high end line down a road cooridor with a lot of restaurants? Or would you build one down a cooridor with a lot of destination stores and office locations? Even if there are way more restaurants on the first road? I mean the map may show more businesses and jobs there. But they are restaurants so the commuting footprint is far different than office space.

Again this is why transit studies take years and you can't just look at a single table of numbers of a fancy colored map of metro vancouver with population densities.

UBC is a major destination, South of Fraser including Langley is a major Origin as is Coquitlam. That means while UBC is important it isn't for sure more important or less important of those other links getting transit alternatives. Is Skytrain the solution? I don't know for all.

I do think though UBC needs a rapid transit link that aren't busses. Makes sense. But I think 1 can't happen without finally getting that bloody Evergreen line done AND increased transit options for people South of Fraser. Not to mention more focus on better densification and people not needing to commute 60km to and from work.

But yah don't just say "WE NEED X CUZ HIGH DENSITY LAWL." because that's just silly and missing the big picture.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2010, 12:23 AM
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Leaves on the track maybe??
Hmmmm. Well, there are concerns about wheel slip with automated systems (that rely on friction for traction (unlike LIM)). But it didn't happen last year (unless some trees grew).
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2010, 1:34 AM
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Hmmmm. Well, there are concerns about wheel slip with automated systems (that rely on friction for traction (unlike LIM)).
It shuts down because if some wheels are rotating at different speeds than others then the onboard computer really has no idea how fast the vehicle is travelling.

With the LIM used on Skytrain there's little opportunity for wheel slip unless an axle bearing seizes up.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2010, 1:52 AM
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oops stupid way the forum doesn't let me know there is already a whole new page existing

anyway

seesm like they had the same issue on halloween night - the YVR portion was not affected - maybe some in richmond is tired of it and is being a baddy and sabotoging it

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METRO VANCOUVER -- The Canada Line is running an alternate service on the Richmond portion of the line due to a techncial difficulty, TransLink spokesman Drew Snider said in a release issued Sunday night.

All passengers travelling to and from Richmond will need to change trains at Bridgeport Station until the issue is fixed.



Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/Halloween+delays+Canada+Line/3755837/story.html#ixzz14Mvl0xkW
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2010, 1:53 AM
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Every other non-Skytrain system in the world relies on wheel friction - surely the automated ones do not all break down every autumn when leaves fall off the trees. I suspect the Canada Line issue is not as simple as "it should have been linear induction motors."
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2010, 2:06 AM
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Most logically??? Really? Come on. Build new lines for these places. We don't need one super-line crisscrossing the region.
but than how can people get on one train and sit on their ass without having to moe or transfer?

the idea of transfers omg we can't make a line that forces me to transfer

I don't get that logic we are so spoiled here
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2010, 2:29 AM
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Most logically??? Really? Come on. Build new lines for these places. We don't need one super-line crisscrossing the region.
Agreed 100%
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2010, 2:58 AM
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I almost convinced some of my co-workers that the Canada Line problems are from a Microsoft Windows Update that failed.

(these are the same people who still believe the Charlie Chaplin cell phone video)
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2010, 6:07 AM
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24Hours Vancouver: Canada Line's woes have people asking questions
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By MATT KIELTYKA, QMI AGENCY

The Canada Line’s operators are trying to get to the bottom of an issue that’s plagued the $2.1-billion system this week.

Commuters at the rapid transit line’s Richmond stops were left frustrated during Wednesday and Thursday’s morning rush hour, and again on Sunday evening when trains unexpectedly stopped between the Aberdeen and Lansdowne stations.

PROTRANS BC’s Jason Chan said sensors on the car are detecting a loss of traction but engineers haven’t been able to determine whether the problem is mechanical or simply an electronic glitch.

Whatever the cause, the issue has forced trains to run on a single track instead of the usual two.


That’s meant delays for people looking to get in and out of Richmond.

“There is no definitive conclusion to this,” Chan said. “We’re trying to find out exactly what is going on and resolve the issue.”

Chan also dismissed the notion that the year-old system was experience teething issues.

“It ran all last year, and during the Olympics, with no problem,” he said.

Scheduled maintenance track work was completed on the same section of the line last weekend during the night when service levels are low, but Chan said the service disruptions this week are unrelated.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2010, 6:18 AM
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Not sure if anyone has noticed, but on the Canada Line trains a lot of the black rubber rimming around the windows is starting to fade into white.... and it has been, only a year? I don't recall this happening on the Bombardier Mark series...hell, I don't even recall seeing this happening on any of the buses.

With that said, with regards to "asking questions?" Really? 24 hours has definitely taken a sensationalist dive in the last year... I lack faith in the Canada Line, but even I don't lack THAT MUCH faith loll.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2010, 6:30 AM
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Here's the reference I was thinking about:

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Under certain weather conditions, wheel slip can be a problem in systems with traditional steel wheels, which is why they still need staff assistance. Staff on board can also check tickets, offer travel advice for passengers or initiate door closure (like at London DLR). Systems with linear induction motors (LIM) or rubber tyres (such as VAL) don't have problems with wheel slip and can be operated completely without staff.
http://mic-ro.com/metro/driverless.html

Fall Foliage Gums Up Subways in Brooklyn
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/10/nyregion/10leaves.html?_r=1

Why your train is late when autumn leaves fall
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06326/740504-28.stm

Metro prepares for slippery rail season
http://www.wmata.com/about_metro/news/PressReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=4123

Aren't there a lot of (now very tall) Pin Oak trees lining the Lansdowne parking lot??
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2010, 6:39 AM
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how is it a sensationalist dive?
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