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I am a new SF Bay area resident and was looking through some of the older pages in this thread, from 2007, and saw talk of a Muni BRT or line rail down Geary. I don't have the time to look through every page, so I wanted to ask whatever happened to that? The post was three years ago.

Since I have moved here it seems like that part of the city is sort of cutoff, as does North Beach, Nob and Russian Hills, (I can get to Oakland quicker than North Beach) which will hopefully be remedied by the Central Subway. But is anything being done on Geary or did that fall apart?
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Thanks.
Looks like the latest news was a meeting in July...I better not hold my breath.

If it's going to take this long they should just build rail.
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Looks like the latest news was a meeting in July...I better not hold my breath.

If it's going to take this long they should just build rail.
yea, i noticed that (somebody needs to update their site!). supposedly they're in the process of putting together the draft eir/eis, but i haven't heard any news in awhile.

if i remember correctly, the general consensus here was they should build a subway (preferably bart but perhaps muni). but with bart preoccupied with 'outward' extensions like san jose and livermore and muni preoccupied with the third st subway, a rail line on geary for now is just dream among us enthusiasts. i seem to remember a lot of opposition from local merchants as well (due to construction).
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Toronto is buying some DMUs to run from their airport to their central station. They've adopted a modified version of the SMART technical spec.

I guess it's a do-over for all the bidders on SMART...
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just found this image from nippon sharyo's website showing a 'suburban dmu':



hopefully this is what smart will look like!

http://www.nipponsharyousa.com/tp101020.htm
the picture is taken from a page published just yesterday on how nippon sharyo will expand its presence here in the usa and re-organize into two arms: one manufacturing and the other engineering/marketing.
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that's a nice looking train. I hope that's what they build as well.
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Me too! I like that. Another bit of SMART news: the tunnel between San Rafael and Larkspur is set to re-open to bikers and walkers next month. That's a major piece of infrastructure needed to get trains down to Larkspur. Plus, it will make riding to the ferry terminal from points north much shorter and safer.

PS: Don't forget the SMART thread that rcd started.
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2010, 6:23 PM
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crazy! this has its own thread in the transportation sub-forum:

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Sonoma County may allow rural roads to disintegrate


JOHN BURGESS / THE PRESS DEMOCRAT
Ken and Doris Petro, who live on Frei Road west of Santa Rosa, believe their well-used road is not a "country road" and should not be allowed to deteriorate because of budget cuts in the Sonoma County road department.

By GUY KOVNER
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT

Published: Monday, October 25, 2010 at 6:48 p.m.
Last Modified: Monday, October 25, 2010 at 6:48 p.m.

(page 1 of 3)

More than 1,200 miles of Sonoma County roads would be allowed to fail within 10 years, while 150 miles of heavily traveled roads remain relatively smooth under a maintenance plan to be considered today by the Board of Supervisors.

“Oh great, I can hardly wait for that,” Frei Road resident Doris Petro said Monday on learning that her winding west County road will be allowed to crumble and eventually turn from asphalt to gravel.

“This looks like the road to Kandahar,” said Lynn Fritz, whose Lynmar Estate winery is on Frei Road.

The county is responsible for public roads that are outside city limits and not designated as state highways.

Despite a six-year record for the worst roads in the Bay Area, Sonoma County has to set hard limits on future maintenance, said Valerie Brown, the board chairwoman.

“We are stuck in a position of priority-setting,” she said. “We want to make sure they (road maintenance funds) are utilized on the roadways that take the most traffic.”

If the county spread its $4.5 million annual budget for preserving paved roads over the 1,384-mile network of county roads, in 10 years “they would all fail,” said Phil Demery, county transportation and public works director.

If pavement preservation — which includes sealing and resurfacing — were limited to 356 miles of major arteries in unincorporated areas, the cost would be $13 million a year, nearly three times the $4.5 million budget, Demery said.

Limiting the work to 150 miles of roads, all of which carry 4,500 vehicles or more per day, brings the cost within the county's financial limit, he said.

“It's a real shame,” Demery said, noting that 150 miles amounts to about 11 percent of county roadways.

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source: http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/201...79/1350?Title=County-roads-may-get-worse

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August 31st, 2010 06:15am
Sonoma County test turns roads into dirt

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Sonoma County crews compact a stretch of Sonoma Mountain Road off of Adobe Road near Petaluma as part of a maintenance test to see if the section, ground up and injected with a hardening enzyme, can withstand winter storms.
Press Democrat photo by Jeff Kan Lee


Martin Stein came home from a two-week vacation to find Sonoma Mountain Road in front of his house had been turned into dirt, and he doesn’t like it.

A 600-foot stretch of the one-time asphalt road and about 10 inches of the dirt below had been pulverized, injected with water containing a hardening enzyme and compacted, leaving for now essentially a hard-surfaced yet dirt road. Next year, it’ll be chip sealed.

Stein’s section is part of an experiment by the Sonoma County Transportation and Public Works Department to see if it can stretch its maintenance dollars by smoothing out pothole-patched roads without having to completely rebuild them.

Sonoma Mountain Road, which likely was originally built as a dirt road, is the test site: The 600-foot stretch in the 6100 block between Santa Rosa and Kenwood as well as two other stretches –- 900 feet and 2,400 feet -– off Adobe Road near Petaluma. Grinding of the longer stretches, both marked with dozens and dozens of pothole patching, began Monday.

Rob Houweling, operations coordinator for the department’s northern-southern division, said the county wants to see how the stretches of road hold up during this winter’s storms before deciding whether the tests are a success.


Another test section of the specially treated dirt road is on a 600-foot section of Sonoma Mountain Road between Bennett Valley and Kenwood.
This photo shows the dirt portion meeting the asphalt part of the road.
Photo by pressdemocrat.com.

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source: http://roadwarrior.blogs.pressdemocrat.com/10813/are-dirt-roads-the-future/

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FYI - here is the official recommendation that SMART buy from Sumitomo.

Interesting specs on the cars, they look much better appointed than I would have expected for their price. The technical comparison of the offerings was very close for the top 4.
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This looks like West Virginia, not Sonoma County!!!
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2010, 3:03 PM
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a lot of transportation news:

it's official:

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Supervisors approve reduced maintenance on Sonoma County roads


PD FILE, 2006
Bicycle riders pass a pickup truck on one of Sonoma County's rural roads outside of Healdsburg.

By GUY KOVNER
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Published: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 at 12:33 p.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 at 12:33 p.m.

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Expressing dismay that they had no alternative, Sonoma County supervisors on Tuesday approved a plan to limit preservation of smooth paved surfaces to a select list of 150 miles of county roads.

“What else are we gonna do at this point?” Supervisor Mike Kerns said. “Something’s got to happen here or all our roads are going to fall apart.”

Paul Kelley, who along with Kerns is leaving the board this year, said that setting priorities for pavement preservation was “a foregone conclusion.”

The plan presented by Phil Demery, county transportation and public works director, directs $4.5 million a year in pavement preservation work to 31 heavily traveled roads in unincorporated areas of the county.

Those roads represent 11 percent of the county’s 1,384-mile network of roads, which Demery said is an asset worth $2.5 billion.

County roads are in poor shape overall, with a pavement condition index of 43 on a scale of 100. It would cost $55 million a year — more than 10 times the county’s budget — to maintain that rating throughout the road system, Demery said.

Under the new plan, 150 miles of roads that carry an average of 4,500 vehicles per day will be maintained in good condition. More than 1,200 miles of county roads will be allowed to fail within 10 years, Demery said, and some of those roads will be converted to gravel surfaces.

Routine maintenance, including filling potholes, clearing brush and repairing storm damage, will continue on all county roads.

Roads in unincorporated Sonoma County were rated worst in the Bay Area this year for the sixth year running, according to the Metropolitan Transportation Commission.

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Hwy. 101 getting taller in Cotati

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As Highway 101 is growing wider in Cotati, it’s also getting taller.

New overpasses being built at Highway 116 and West Railroad Avenue are several feet higher than the old ones, which will be torn down and rebuilt higher as well.

“The two new overpasses there are being raised just in order to raise the clearance below,” Caltrans spokesman Bob Haus said. “Trucks have gotten a little bit bigger over the past 55 years since that highway first opened up.

“As things are now, the clearance is a little bit iffy. There are some trucks that can’t make it underneath. This will make it a little bit easier for them.”

Haus said the 116 overpass is 5 to 6 feet higher than existing one and the West Railroad overpass is 3 feet higher.

Crews have brought in dirt to raise the highway on both sides of the overpasses, which at some point will be opened up to north or southbound traffic when Caltrans starts replacing the current overpasses.

Haus said work on the overall $55 million project to widen 101 to six lanes from Rohnert Park Expressway south to Pepper Road is on schedule, expected to be finished late next year.
source: http://roadwarrior.blogs.pressdemocrat.com/11276/hwy-101-getting-taller-in-cotati/

as for SMART:

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SMART team visits Japan to assess rail cars

October 26th, 2010:
By BOB NORBERG
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Four representatives from the Sonoma-Marin transit agency are in Japan this week to examine the rail car being considered for North Bay train service.

“They want to ride on vehicles produced by this company, see the kind of quality, the kind of comfort,” said Chris Coursey, spokesman for Sonoma—Marin Area Rail Transit. “It is like test-driving a car before you buy it. We want to know the type of workmanship we are getting.”

SMART’s Chairwoman Deb Fudge, a Windsor councilwoman; Director Charles McGlashan, a Marin County supervisor; the agency’s capital projects director, John Lackey; and Dominic DiBrito, project manager for consultant LTK Engineering, are riding the trains and will visit the Nippon Sharyo factory southwest of Tokyo.

The trip is estimated to cost SMART $12,000.

Sumitomo Corp. of America was the low bidder for nine two-car trains, at $56.8 million. The amount was $20 million under SMART’s estimate and $22 million below the next lowest bid.

The cars will be made by Nippon Sharyo, which has built 302 similar rail cars, called diesel multiple units, for 12 other transit agencies in four countries, according to the bid proposal released Monday.

In Japan, similar diesel-powered cars are being used in service from Nagoya to Shinagawa, while an electric-motor version is in service in a Chicago-South Bend commute service.

Coursey stressed that SMART alone is paying for the cost of the trip.

“This group is not being wined or dined or even spoken to by Nippon Sharyo while over there,” Coursey said. “They are on their own, although they will go to the Nippon Sharyo factory in Toyokawa.”

SMART staff has completed negotiations with Sumitomo, the financial partner with Nippon Sharyo, and is recommending its bid be accepted by the SMART board at its Nov. 10 meeting.

“Negotiations were fairly straightforward and brief,” Coursey said. “Sumitomo accepted all of the conditions and terms of sample contract. They offered us everything we asked for. There was not a whole lot of haggling to do.”

The trains will meet the crash-worthiness standards set by the Federal Railroad Administration, while also incorporating a crash energy management system, according to the specifications.

The trains also will be equipped with diesel engines that meet the U.S. emission standards taking effect in 2015.

The aluminum shells of the cars would be built in Nippon Sharyo’s plant in Japan and shipped to a new plant being built in Rochelle, Ill., for final assembly, satisfying federal Buy America standards, according to the bid proposal.

The state of Illinois is investing $12 million in the plant, which will create 250 jobs. The plant also will produce 160 new cars for Chicago’s MetraRail transit system.

The two-car SMART trains will have 158 seats, four wheelchair spaces, room for up to 38 bicycles, a snack bar, restroom, work tables, luggage racks, Wi-Fi, reclining seats and security cameras.

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for complete article: http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2010/10...t-team-visits-japan-to-assess-rail-cars/

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eBART Now Under Construction, Extending Rapid Transit Far from San Francisco


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» Effort to extend BART across the region continues, even as roadway expansions pursue their course.

The San Francisco Bay Area is one of the nation’s case studies in regionalism, with one metropolitan planning board determining local transportation spending in cities from San Francisco in the west to Antioch in the east, from Richmond in the north to San Jose in the south. The existence of Metropolitan Transportation Commission, while theoretically designed to distribute resources to the most effective projects, has in fact erred in the opposite direction, prioritizing geographic equity over efficiency or high ridership.

The groundbreaking of the eBART line from Pittsburg to Antioch, in east Contra Costa County, is indicative of this trend that also includes the extension of BART to Livermore and San Jose. eBART would bring diesel multiple unit (DMU) train service from the existing BART Pittsburg/Bay Point Station to Hillcrest Avenue in Antioch, via a new station at Railroad Avenue in Pittsburg, providing customers new rapid transit service along 10 miles of track wedged into the median of Highway 4. The $462 million project is being built in conjunction with the expansion of that road from four lanes today to six and eight. Completion is expected by 2015.

10,100 daily riders are expected to use the line by 2030, up from 3,900 in its opening year. This is expected to relieve the current crowding at the Pittsburg/Bay Point terminus. Including a timed transfer between DMU and BART trains across a new platform, customers hoping to get from Antioch to San Francisco’s Embarcadero Station, the first in that city, will have a 68 minute ride. Thus the region’s ambitions for transit connectivity stretch far into the suburbs.

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Artist Rendering of new DMU's:


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I found this YouTube clip of a simulation showing the shared eBART/BART platform at Pittsburg.

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here's some news on the van ness, geary brt (for you cybereric):

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By: Will Reisman
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11/01/10 12:15 PM PDT

Two planned projects to install swift-moving buses on Geary Boulevard and Van Ness Avenue are underfunded by as a much $235 million.

The San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency, which operates Muni, wants to install bus-rapid transit vehicles on the two thoroughfares as a way to increase speed and efficiency and make public transportation a more attractive option on the congested corridors. The BRT vehicles (a hybrid of sorts between light-rail trains and Muni trolley buses) would travel on dedicated transit lanes and would receive signal priority at intersections.

However, the BRT proposal for Van Ness Avenue is facing a funding shortfall of $15 million to $80 million, and the one on Geary Boulevard has a gap of $115 million to $155 million, according to the SFMTA, which will make a presentation on the project at its Board of Directors meeting Tuesday.

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If funding is made available, the Van Ness BRT is scheduled to be completed by 2015, and the Geary BRT by 2016.

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can a mod please combine this thread with the one busy bee just created?

since we're resurrecting this thread from the dead...
here's some news on the van ness, geary brt (for you cybereric):

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Bus rapid transit projects facing major funding shortfalls
By: Will Reisman
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11/01/10 12:15 PM PDT

Two planned projects to install swift-moving buses on Geary Boulevard and Van Ness Avenue are underfunded by as a much $235 million.

The San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency, which operates Muni, wants to install bus-rapid transit vehicles on the two thoroughfares as a way to increase speed and efficiency and make public transportation a more attractive option on the congested corridors. The BRT vehicles (a hybrid of sorts between light-rail trains and Muni trolley buses) would travel on dedicated transit lanes and would receive signal priority at intersections.

However, the BRT proposal for Van Ness Avenue is facing a funding shortfall of $15 million to $80 million, and the one on Geary Boulevard has a gap of $115 million to $155 million, according to the SFMTA, which will make a presentation on the project at its Board of Directors meeting Tuesday.

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If funding is made available, the Van Ness BRT is scheduled to be completed by 2015, and the Geary BRT by 2016.

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for full article: http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/...-shortfalls-106460394.html#ixzz148cbwir5
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Threads merged. Busy Bee's post on the eBART extension should now appear in this thread. Carry on with your bad selves.
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thanks colemonkee!

as for ebart, let me get this straight. a person traveling east on bart has to wait at the pittsburg/bay point station, then travel to a second pittsburg station some hundreds of feet away where they transfer? i honestly dont know the area but was it really impossible to bring ebart to the existing pittsburg station, rather then having a transfer station completely isolated in the middle of a freeway a hop, skip and jump away? what about someone traveling west to the current pittsburg station from antoich. would they have to transfer to conventional bart for the few hundred feet or so, or would the bart completely skip the current station?

anybody? i'm so confused at this setup.
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Thanks!

I guess those won't be happening anytime soon. I'd rather see them wait and spend the extra for light rail if this is going to be this hard. Seemed like part of the appeal of a BRT was the speed at which a solution could be reached.

I guess I can be glad I don't live in the Richmond or near Van Ness. As of now it takes me less time to get to Oakland than to get to North Beach.
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World Series parade boosts BART ridership to highest day ever

"BART carried the most riders of any day in its 38-year history on Wednesday -- 522,200 -- many of them going to cheer the San Francisco Giants in a World Series victory parade."

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thanks colemonkee!

as for ebart, let me get this straight. a person traveling east on bart has to wait at the pittsburg/bay point station, then travel to a second pittsburg station some hundreds of feet away where they transfer? i honestly dont know the area but was it really impossible to bring ebart to the existing pittsburg station, rather then having a transfer station completely isolated in the middle of a freeway a hop, skip and jump away? what about someone traveling west to the current pittsburg station from antoich. would they have to transfer to conventional bart for the few hundred feet or so, or would the bart completely skip the current station?

anybody? i'm so confused at this setup.
You're correct. The transfer platform will be in addition to the existing Pittsburg/Bay Point station. Passengers won't be able to exit the system at the transfer platform, only change trains.

This is a cost saving measure, I think. The median of SR-4 is used as a train storage area by BART. Bringing the DMUs to the existing Pittsburg station would eliminate virtually all of BART's train storage tracks. The alternative is to widen the highway to allow for a wider median, but that would increase the cost dramatically.

It's obviously not ideal. I'm guessing that the long-term goal is to move the transfer point further west to the existing station, which is why the transfer platform is being built pretty bare-bones.
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