NEW YORK | 15 Penn Plaza (Hotel Penn) | 1,050 FT / 315 M | 52 FLOORS

[sterlippo1]

beautiful young lady.............what i meant was that the ESB tapers so much from the 86 fl observation deck to that top level, there isnt mass, where the new tower is , for use of a better term, all building to the top. the diagram shows what i am trying to say

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by sterlippo1

beautiful young lady.............what i meant was that the ESB tapers so much from the 86 fl observation deck to that top level, there isnt mass, where the new tower is , for use of a better term, all building to the top. the diagram shows what i am trying to say

There's a large parapet at the top of 15 Penn that reaches it's final height. The occupied height would be well below that, so the Empire State would have the higher occupants looking down on 15 Penn.

[The_All_American]

Here's what the building would look like at dusk.

http://www.extravaganzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/New-York-15-Penn-Plaza.jpg

[The_All_American]

Several more pictures...

www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/04/13/news/photos_stories/cropped/tower_plans--300x300.jpg

http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/2010/08/20100830_15pennplaza_560x375.jpg

http://secondavenuesagas.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Entrance33rdSt.jpg

[Dylan Leblanc]

Originally Posted by RobertWalpole

Very cute chick!

You're too old. You'd better have money!

[nim3]

worship this design......lets see this project move foward!!

[tsan04]

I just noticed they finally have a diagram pic up for this tower. Thank you to whoever made the contribution.

[RobertWalpole]

Originally Posted by Dylan Leblanc

You're too old. You'd better have money!

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by tsan04

I just noticed they finally have a diagram pic up for this tower. Thank you to whoever made the contribution.

Nice to finally have it there. Still waiting for STR's version.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by NYguy

There's a large parapet at the top of 15 Penn that reaches it's final height. The occupied height would be well below that, so the Empire State would have the higher occupants looking down on 15 Penn.

The top floor would still be 1100' something, The only (publicly accessible) floor in the ESB past that is the 102nd observation deck at 1207'

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

The top floor would still be 1100' something, The only (publicly accessible) floor in the ESB past that is the 102nd observation deck at 1207'

A little higher, but last checked, even 1207 beat "1100 something". The Observation deck isn't the last and highest floor at the ESB btw, its at 1224 ft.. There was a picture in the newspaper this week taken from the top floor, which was to be used as a landing/docking exit. Chieck the link I gave for more info on that.


This is how the stacking tops out for both versions of 15 Penn Plaza...

1190 ft


1216 ft



Empire State

[Matthew]

I'm the person who drew the diagram. It's actually a highly detailed 3D Model, which I can rotate and render in different views with different lighting.


The 3D model rendered with Perspective

After making a 3D model of it, I learned a lot about the design and really want to see this building built. It is beautiful and looks better rendered in perspective.

Curved and multi-angle glass buildings are a bigger challenge to render. I submitted a new version, with reflections similar to a late winter evening. The storefronts are more visible in the new diagram's view. The curved section reflects the high clouds and the late evening sun brightens the building, with a glass appearance similar to what is seen in the architect's rendering. The gold from the golden hour light appears on the curved section. I hope everyone likes it.

[CoolCzech]

Originally Posted by Dylan Leblanc

You're too old. You'd better have money!

Ah, money - the Fountain of Youth

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Matthew

I'm the person who drew the diagram. It's actually a highly detailed 3D Model, which I can rotate and render in different views with different lighting.


The 3D model rendered with Perspective

Thank you sir. I still think I like the slightly shorter version, with the tower itself extending to the street.

[Matthew]

I like both versions. The taller version separates the base from the tower, which is interesting, but the shorter one seems taller, because it rises up from the sidewalk uninterrupted. It looks as if the developer prefers the shorter version and is looking in this direction, even if it takes a few years to find a single tenant.

One more view for fun. I usually don't post the perspective views.



Thank you again to everyone for the nice comments.

[Zapatan]

hm.. wonder why the developer prefers the shorter version, there shouldnt be too much of a price difference between the two.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

hm.. wonder why the developer prefers the shorter version, there shouldnt be too much of a price difference between the two.

With the shorter version, you get the large trading floors, similar to the WTC towers. The taller version's lower floors are basically an extension of the Manhattan Mall.

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

Originally Posted by Matthew

I like both versions. The taller version separates the base from the tower, which is interesting, but the shorter one seems taller, because it rises up from the sidewalk uninterrupted. It looks as if the developer prefers the shorter version and is looking in this direction, even if it takes a few years to find a single tenant.

One more view for fun. I usually don't post the perspective views.



Thank you again to everyone for the nice comments.

Nice shot. I think the 1,216 feet version would be more useful.... taller is not always better, but here it is!

[Dylan Leblanc]

[NYguy]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-09...uare-feet-of-blight-james-s-russell.html

Behemoth Tower Packs 2.83 Million Square Feet of Blight: James S. Russell


An architectural rendering of 15 Penn Plaza. The tower tapers only slightly as it rises about 1,200 feet.


An architectural rendering of the the lobby of 15 Penn Plaza. Across from Penn Station in New York City, the tower would rise sheer from the ground, tapering back beginning at the 58th floor.
The design by architect Pelli Clarke Pelli for Vornado Realty Trust intends to accommodate a financial firm with trading floors extending as large as 70,000 square feet at the base.


A view looking east to West 32nd Street from Penn Station in New York. 15 Penn Plaza would rise 1,200 feet on the north side of the street, after the 23-story Hotel Pennsylvania is demolished.


A view looking west on West 32nd Street in New York. A zoning variance permits 15 Penn Plaza to rise about five times as high as the building to the north (right in photo), the Hotel Pennsylvania, which would be demolished.


By James S. Russell
Nov 9, 2010

A behemoth office tower that may rise opposite Pennsylvania Station would deface New York City’s skyline and cast a pall over surrounding streets already shortchanged on light and air.

Vornado Realty Trust’s 15 Penn Plaza will stack as much as 2.83 million square feet on a site that was zoned to accommodate just 1.6 million square feet.

The tower tapers only slightly as it rises about 1,200 feet -- the height of the Empire State Building -- dwarfing two massive cookie-cutter residential towers to the south that are a sad legacy of Manhattan’s recent housing boom.

Architect Rafael Pelli, of Manhattan-based Pelli Clarke Pelli, carved slit-like corner recesses to slim 15 Penn’s glassy bulk, but this overweight monster appears to be bursting at its seams.

Stroll along the jammed sidewalks of West 32nd Street or West 33rd, east of Seventh Avenue, breathing in the diesel exhaust of idling trucks and buses. The blank walls of a multilevel retail mall or the blank wall of several massive trading floors -- depending on the tenant mix -- will line half the length of the block.

Scoops, Freebies

How did this thing get so huge?

Vornado controls the entire block, and so it has made the tower bigger by scooping up unused zoning square footage from the site of the careworn Manhattan Mall that occupies the Sixth Avenue side, and piled it onto the tower site.

In addition, the city has allowed a further free 270,000 square feet of development rights.

Should the tower be built -- that depends on getting enough tenants to sign on in advance -- the rest of us would be gifted with somewhat enlarged and less dingy subway stairs, among several modest transit improvements for which officials granted Vornado 474,000 additional square feet.

That’s the equivalent of stacking a good-sized office tower atop an already massive one.

There’s no space for what could be a real amenity on this unpleasant street: a plaza. Instead, we get minor widening of some of the city’s most overcrowded sidewalks.

High Ceilings

For all its great height, 15 Penn contains only 67 stories. Some are tall to accommodate trading floors as large as 70,000 square feet at the base and even office floors are 14 feet apart (compared with the old standard of 11.5).

The hoped-for financial-industry tenants (in palmier days Merrill Lynch) want to pack staffers tightly into large floors ranging up to 34,000 square feet. High ceilings are essential to avoid claustrophobia.

That’s good for tenants, but a super-tall building owes the skyline an expression of New York City’s optimism and energy. A soaring landmark has cash value, too, though Vornado, large and experienced as it is, can’t seem to calculate it.

Vornado justified the great size of an earlier incarnation of the tower because it would contribute millions to overhaul the grim overcrowded maze that is Penn Station. Several other similarly over-scaled developments proposed nearby make the same argument. However, the Penn project remains in limbo.

Hudson River Tunnel

New Jersey Governor Chris Christie’s absurd cancellation of the Hudson River tunnel may well repel investment on both sides of the river, as it makes long-term congestion appear unsolvable.

So chances are commuters will fight their way through even larger Penn Station crowds or into the eternally embarrassing Madison Square Garden sports arena.

Latent in Pelli’s design is a better tower. If its recesses were deepened and its bulk slimmed it could come alive on the skyline.

A no-aspiration mood has prevailed around Penn Station since its tragic 1960s rebuilding. What should be a great neighborhood has been an also-ran too long.

The 500,000 daily travelers can’t get away from the sordid surroundings fast enough.

The 15 Penn tower is important enough to change that dynamic if Vornado decides to care.