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Old Posted Oct 20, 2010, 1:33 PM
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A note on ParkPlus - you can set it up to email or call you at regular intervals to remind you your session is still active. I'm a big fan... but I'd love to see them release some phone apps for it.
     
     
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When is the WLRT scheduled to open again?
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Old Posted Oct 20, 2010, 2:13 PM
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As an occasional parker, I love Park Plus. The only problem that I ever had with it was a few weeks ago during that system-wide outage. I started a parking session with my phone right before the outage (literally, because I was only parked for about 10 minutes), and when I went to cancel the session, the system was down. Meanwhile, my session continued for the next couple of hours while they tried to fix the system.

But, to the CPA's credit, I emailed them and explained what happened. They responded within a few hours and put a credit back on my account. Outages will happen, but their response to it was favourable. And it sure beats putting coins into the meter only to have it jammed up by some bum or crackhead who comes along right after and steals your quarters.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 20, 2010, 6:40 PM
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I believe the number was $6 million a year estimated revenue from the $3 parknride fees. But I also believe that was assuming all the lots would stay around the same capacity they had been getting previously.

I'd be interested to see what the generated revenue is with the lots less full than they were. I suspect the lost revenue wouldn't be that much in the end, maybe $2-3 million.

I even heard Naheed mention at one point that "ridership was down due to the fee, so in fact, the city hurt themselves in net revenue in that regard" to paraphrase him ... now I'm not sure if he was speaking anecdotally or if he had any figures either, but I do know a two people that started parking back downtown because with 2 bus passes and $3 fee, the price at some downtown lots was worth the minimal increased fee to have the car convenience. In my mind I'd still pay the $3 cause its cheaper, but who's to argue with irrational human logic of convenience when they have money obviously burning a hole in their pockets.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 20, 2010, 7:03 PM
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In my mind I'd still pay the $3 cause its cheaper, but who's to argue with irrational human logic of convenience when they have money obviously burning a hole in their pockets.
To paraphrase the Linux/homebuilding PC communities: it's only more expensive if your time is worthless. We all spend our money on convenience of some sort or another, I'm not sure why you'd call that irrational.

On a purely functional note, I'd gladly pay $100/month more if I could shave even 20 minutes out of my round-trip commute each day. That's nearly 7 hours of time saved for $100, and I'm willing to bet most downtown workers make more than $14/hour. If (and this is a big if) I could find parking very close to my office, when you eliminate the walking several blocks through downtown to and from the LRT (especially with the stations closed for a year for a re-build), and eliminate having to stand around waiting for a 2 buses that may or may not be on time...

Unfortunately in my case I'd probably have to park even further away so the gains are negated. But on the rare occasions that I have driven into work, it's as fast or faster than transit, even with our wonderful LRT system. So it could easily be justified financially depending on where a person works (especially with 2 people carpooling).

Eliminate the PnR fee and I'd never even consider driving. $85/month plus maybe 10 cents in gas each day and it's a no brainer to take transit.

Well, I lie anyway as I actually prefer transit when it comes to rush hour commuting. I rather enjoy the reading time and the extra walking. But from a purely financial perspective, I can easily see driving making sense for a lot of people.
     
     
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Metrolinx released their RFP for the Union - Pearson line last week with an incredibly short deadline.

It's basically a modified version of the Sonoma - Marin RFP that was recently won by Nippon Sharyo. It will be interesting to see what the other proposers bring to the table in what is essentially a mulligan.
     
     
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Does Calgary Transit have plans to order more Nova buses besides the 40 they have ordered?

Have all of 40 so far ordered delivered yet? If no, how many have been delivered?

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Old Posted Oct 23, 2010, 1:51 AM
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Nenshi has already been quoted as saying the city might not be able to scrap the PnR fee. Gotta love politicians. He isn't even in office yet and has already broken a big campaign promise.

(Yes yes, I'll wait to see what he ACTUALLY tries to do here)
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2010, 2:14 AM
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One of the few issues I disagreed with him on. There's no such thing as free parking.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2010, 2:22 AM
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The amount raised from the fee has already shrunk quite a bit, once the city has a number on what is actually being made from the lots, shall know better. I would wonder also how much extra money is made from the lots themselves, and how much is made from ticketing in surrounding communities (or at least, the marginal increase in the amount of community ticketing).

Certainly I wouldn't expect the fee to be done away with until the budget is passed, it shouldn't be on the first or second council meeting.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2010, 3:48 PM
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Does Calgary Transit have plans to order more Nova buses besides the 40 they have ordered?

Have all of 40 so far ordered delivered yet? If no, how many have been delivered?

Thanks.
About 25 of the 40 have arrived, 5 so far have been put into service (mostly on routes that run out of Crowfoot such as the 37/137,43/143,58/158 and routes 2 and 3 as well.

The order was 40 this year with the option for 40 next year if CT wanted to buy more (pretty high chance, though there have been some complaints from drivers about these buses being gutless from whats being said on cptdb)
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2010, 4:11 PM
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One of the few issues I disagreed with him on. There's no such thing as free parking.
And there's no such thing as a $2.75 LRT fare, either.

Yet both are used to encourage people to take transit.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2010, 4:43 PM
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Nenshi has already been quoted as saying the city might not be able to scrap the PnR fee. Gotta love politicians. He isn't even in office yet and has already broken a big campaign promise.

(Yes yes, I'll wait to see what he ACTUALLY tries to do here)
I'm kinda hoping Nenshi take a bit more thoughtful approach to the PnR fee rather than scrap vs. keep.

I'd look first to see how usage has changed since the fees went in. In the unlikely event that usage is the same, the fee should stay, although I'd advocate for a monthly pass @ $60 (small discount) and @ $50 if you buy with a monthly bus pass. I'd advocate for a drop in the fee if there has been a significant drop in usage, and if there has been a drastic drop in usage that can be attributed to the $3 fee, then perhaps it should be scrapped.

What I don't want to see is driving into a lot at noon to ride the train downtown for the afternoon and not being able to park. What I want to see, particularly if PnR fees are not impacting usage, is an investment in more parking from the collected fees.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2010, 5:48 PM
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I'm kinda hoping Nenshi take a bit more thoughtful approach to the PnR fee rather than scrap vs. keep.

I'd look first to see how usage has changed since the fees went in. In the unlikely event that usage is the same, the fee should stay, although I'd advocate for a monthly pass @ $60 (small discount) and @ $50 if you buy with a monthly bus pass. I'd advocate for a drop in the fee if there has been a significant drop in usage, and if there has been a drastic drop in usage that can be attributed to the $3 fee, then perhaps it should be scrapped.

What I don't want to see is driving into a lot at noon to ride the train downtown for the afternoon and not being able to park. What I want to see, particularly if PnR fees are not impacting usage, is an investment in more parking from the collected fees.
You should email him that. For real.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2010, 9:44 PM
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I'm kinda hoping Nenshi take a bit more thoughtful approach to the PnR fee rather than scrap vs. keep.

I'd look first to see how usage has changed since the fees went in. In the unlikely event that usage is the same, the fee should stay, although I'd advocate for a monthly pass @ $60 (small discount) and @ $50 if you buy with a monthly bus pass. I'd advocate for a drop in the fee if there has been a significant drop in usage, and if there has been a drastic drop in usage that can be attributed to the $3 fee, then perhaps it should be scrapped.

What I don't want to see is driving into a lot at noon to ride the train downtown for the afternoon and not being able to park. What I want to see, particularly if PnR fees are not impacting usage, is an investment in more parking from the collected fees.
First point re:investment in more parking. Parking is really expensive. Unless you want the money spent on more surface lots, keep dreaming.

Second point re: mid day parking. Personally I would be more than fine with short term pay spots, the lots will start to be more full if the fee is dropped. However, the more inner city lots weren't filling up anymore even without the fee, but that is a good thing because we will be removing parking for TOD. So, just as we begun to see more midday users with the imposition of the new fee, we may drive them away with taking it away, unless there is some amelioration (depending on how many previous PNR users and now feeder bus users want to go back to their old habits).
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2010, 10:13 PM
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I'm kinda hoping Nenshi take a bit more thoughtful approach to the PnR fee rather than scrap vs. keep.
Personally, Ferreth's approach sounds quite sensible. However, I suspect that if Mr. Nenshi does take such an approach it could have consequences that reach further than people's use of the transit system.

It seems to me that in the recent election, Mr. Nenshi's campaign was able to re-engage many people who wouldn't normally vote or be interested in civic politics (that may be stating the obvious ). I could be wrong, but I personally doubt that that was because he was tweeting or had a facebook page.

It seems to me that voter disengagement is principally due to a cynicism that politicians always say one thing at election time and then never come through on what they said after election. Disengagement is the result of disappointment with those elected - i.e., of repeated iterations of voting for people who sound promising but in the end don't do what they said they would do.

I realize that the reason for "say one thing - something else ends up happening" is much more complex than just 'politicians are dishonest', and that such a perception of politics may not really be fair. Nevertheless, I think the net result is still disillusionment in politicians and government and therefore the whole electoral process.

I think the reason that Mr. Nenshi engaged so many people is that for the first time in a long time, people believed that change was actually possible.
He gave people a reason to think that he would actually come through with what he said: his ideas weren't merely pleasant fluff but rather seemed to be concrete proposals SUPPORTED by research and reasoning. That gave me the hope that "Hey, maybe these changes ARE possible...", and I suspect that I'm not alone.

Now that he's been elected, I think he can do far more to disengage voters than he did to engage them simply by not coming through on his 'promises'. It would harden the notion that politicians, despite how they may seem at election time, are all the same, etc. I realize that Mr. Nenshi is just one vote on a council of 15, but his ideas weren't couched in terms of 'as long as everyone else will agree' and so that's not what people will remember.

Mr. Nenshi was unequivocal about the $3.00 PNR fee: "Naheed has called the imposition of this fee the single worst decision this Council has made – and that’s saying something!" (from his Better Idea #5). He has repeatedly stated or implied that he wants to remove the PNR fee. To now say "well, maybe we should study it first" would undermine his credibility at least somewhat.

With all said, I don't know if coming through on a single issue is really all that important. I'm more trying to make the point that because of his success at re-engaging the electorate, its all the more important that he comes through on what he campaigned on.

Perhaps my ramble would be more appropriate in the Municipal Politics thread, but its Ferreth and Freeweed's fault - their posts got me thinking about this... Of course, I'm more than happy to have this moved if that would be best (I just don't know how to do it...)
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2010, 12:28 AM
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The PnR fee is a pretty simple issue: do we want to encourage transit use at all costs, or is it more important to "punish" driving at all costs? I think only a fool would argue that the PnR lots encourage transit use, the question is by how much.

That being said, the entire transit system is subsidized by taxpayers, so I'm always amused at how people bring up things like "parking isn't free" and whatnot. Of course it's not - neither is the LRT itself. It's ALL subsidized. Personally I wish this city was rich enough to have it ALL be free. Imagine how many people would take transit if the entire system cost nothing. Including the parking, which as much as some would like to pretend otherwise, is a vital part of the system. Not everyone lives a block from a feeder route, and not everyone is willing to spend half an hour on a bus for what is otherwise a 5 minute drive.

Either way, I rarely used the lots when they were free and I rarely use them now. $3 isn't exactly breaking my bank account. It's just another hassle that I've seen push many people away from transit, and it was a pure money grab by the City in the vein of a lot of traffic controls.
     
     
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Sir Humphrey,
Yes, it's expensive - but if we are getting close to full utilization, we can build a parkade in each LRT leg paid for in 13 years.

For the West lrt parkade & NW line using the following sources:
http://www.albertacanada.com/documents/SP_MajorAlbertaProjects.pdf (28 mil cost)
http://www.boma.ca/Newsletter/Current.pdf (750 stall)
http://members.shaw.ca/lrtincalgary/ (3900 stalls in the NW adding up the stations)

I'll calculate for the the NW as an example: 3900 stalls x $3 $ 90% utilization * 250 days = 2.6 mil/ year.

>>> pays out a $33 million parkade in 13 years. For comparison, the west lrt parkade is supposed to add 750 stalls at $28 million, so we should be able to add roughly 1200 stalls. 30% increase isn't that bad in my books. I'd consider building parkades closer in to replace the surface spots, TOD development sales of the land - use the money to build more parkades further out might allow parkades to be built even faster. My math and cited costs may be off; to feel to critque!

tmjr,
I think Nenshi has to take the "Ralph Klein" approach of admitting his mistakes, and in this case telling people when a promise made won't work out for good stated reasons, rather than the usual political BS. People might be more willing to pay $3 if they saw parkades being built.

Freeweed,
For myself, $3 isn't going to break the bank either. If it did, I'd take the bus to the train, which I think is what's happened to increase the feeder bus utilization. As far as the hassle goes, if I was still using LRT to go downtown everyday, I'd just want to buy a monthly PnR pass along with my transit pass and forget about it after I'd put it in the car. Come to think of it, just register my plate when I pay, then I don't even have to worry about putting something on the car.

In conclusion, if I was Nenshi, I'd like to see some ridership numbers and lot utilization numbers before & after the fees went in first before I made any decisions about the $3 PnR fee. I think we are only now to the point where fee has been in place long enough to look at the numbers and draw some conclusions.
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Sir Humphrey,
Yes, it's expensive - but if we are getting close to full utilization, we can build a parkade in each LRT leg paid for in 13 years.

For the West lrt parkade & NW line using the following sources:
http://www.albertacanada.com/documents/SP_MajorAlbertaProjects.pdf (28 mil cost)
http://www.boma.ca/Newsletter/Current.pdf (750 stall)
http://members.shaw.ca/lrtincalgary/ (3900 stalls in the NW adding up the stations)

I'll calculate for the the NW as an example: 3900 stalls x $3 $ 90% utilization * 250 days = 2.6 mil/ year.

>>> pays out a $33 million parkade in 13 years. For comparison, the west lrt parkade is supposed to add 750 stalls at $28 million, so we should be able to add roughly 1200 stalls. 30% increase isn't that bad in my books. I'd consider building parkades closer in to replace the surface spots, TOD development sales of the land - use the money to build more parkades further out might allow parkades to be built even faster. My math and cited costs may be off; to feel to critque!
Building 1 parked every 13 years is unacceptable. The parkade needs to be able to pay itself within a fairly reasonable timeframe (ie,10 years) After 10 years your going to have to do refurbishments with new asphalt, paint, etc.

So 28,000,000 / 750 stalls = $37333.33, $37333.33 / 3 = 12444.44 uses before breakeven. 12444.44/ 365 day. So 34 year to payback. So really to get paid back in a reasonable timeframe the fee should be $10. Now if you can build the parkade for about 9 million then it would be a reasonable at $3.
     
     
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I agree with tmjr, whatever honeymoon/goodwill Nenshi has now will be used up and put into the red if he doesn't revoke that fee that was a big part of his campaigning, and could damage his credibility enough that he will be unable to use any popularity of his to sway council to vote for any other of his ideas. He'll end up weaker than Obama, but only a day or two into his mandate.
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