Provo MSA Development Thread - Page 94

goldcntry · #**1861** Posted **Oct 18, 2010, 6:14 PM**

LOL! Well, at least UB isn't around to be the rallying-cry against the skybridge... Maybe it'll have a timber theme to go with Cabela's... or maybe a stylized red-rock arch that's not too tacky...

TonyAnderson · #**1862** Posted **Oct 19, 2010, 12:01 PM**

I don't think the skybridge is a big deal with a development in an area like Lehi. In an urban area, like downtown Salt Lake, a bridge can take away from a lot of pedestrian activity, so it becomes undesirable (to urban enthusiasts).

Now regarding the building, if it's true there will be a skybridge, then I'd assume this will be a taller structure than previously thought. Here's a look at Adobe's HQ in San Jose (also with a skybridge):

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/06/adobe_achieves.php

I'd imagine a bit scaled-down version of that.

delts145 · #**1863** Posted **Oct 19, 2010, 12:16 PM**

They could easily be as tall as the Microsoft offices, which are just across the street (I-15)

ksl.com

SLC Projects · #**1864** Posted **Oct 19, 2010, 4:05 PM**

However I hope that if Adobe's HQ will have a group of buildings I hope it doesn't look anything like the Microsoft offices. I don't want to see another office park.

Orlando · #**1865** Posted **Oct 19, 2010, 8:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by shrubber

A few more interesting details about the Adobe campus...

Adobe purchased the land on both sides of Cabelas Blvd (the road leading southwest to northeast from the frontage road directly towards the Cabelas front door, and under the future Traxx line and the Historic Utah Rail Trail). They are planning to build several tall LEED-certified structures with a skybridge connecting them across Cabelas Blvd.

The Fashion Outlets (planned to be directly to the east) are scheduled to begin construction this coming Spring.

As much as I like that Adobe is building in Utah, I hate that all these software companies are clustering at a point between Salt Lake and Provo. Which means more damn sprawl!!!

Eagle Mountain Saratoga Springs, etc. will thrive. and the metro will continue to sprawl out instead of creating a much more dynamic and beautiful city. The core will suffer, and will always be fighting and losing out to the sprawl. We will be waiting for years for the downtown parking lots to be filled in. Pheonix is a prime example of sprawl. Phoenix metro is roughly the same population as Seattle, but Seattle is so much more urban and dynamic and beautiful. Phoenix's downtown doesn't look much bigger than Salt Lake's but it's population is a lot larger. Denver's metro population is smaller or close to Phoenix's but their core is easily twice as big, and more dynamic and energetic.

s.p.hansen · #**1866** Posted **Oct 20, 2010, 3:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by Orlando

As much as I like that Adobe is building in Utah, I hate that all these software companies are clustering at a point between Salt Lake and Provo. Which means more damn sprawl!!!

Eagle Mountain Saratoga Springs, etc. will thrive. and the metro will continue to sprawl out instead of creating a much more dynamic and beautiful city. The core will suffer, and will always be fighting and losing out to the sprawl. We will be waiting for years for the downtown parking lots to be filled in. Pheonix is a prime example of sprawl. Phoenix metro is roughly the same population as Seattle, but Seattle is so much more urban and dynamic and beautiful. Phoenix's downtown doesn't look much bigger than Salt Lake's but it's population is a lot larger. Denver's metro population is smaller or close to Phoenix's but their core is easily twice as big, and more dynamic and energetic.

The fate of the Wasatch front is to be filled in from Nephi to Brigham City because it is a good climate zone and is accessible to water resources and has excellent mobility. And when this happens Utah will still be far behind the sprawl of Phoenix and comparable to Denver (I mean this taking into account both metro areas if they were brought down to Utah's size).

Adobe will be situated right off I-15 and a future TRAX line. This is not the best example of your poster child sprawl monster.

TonyAnderson · #**1867** Posted **Oct 20, 2010, 11:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by Orlando

As much as I like that Adobe is building in Utah, I hate that all these software companies are clustering at a point between Salt Lake and Provo. Which means more damn sprawl!!!

Eagle Mountain Saratoga Springs, etc. will thrive. and the metro will continue to sprawl out instead of creating a much more dynamic and beautiful city. The core will suffer, and will always be fighting and losing out to the sprawl. We will be waiting for years for the downtown parking lots to be filled in. Pheonix is a prime example of sprawl. Phoenix metro is roughly the same population as Seattle, but Seattle is so much more urban and dynamic and beautiful. Phoenix's downtown doesn't look much bigger than Salt Lake's but it's population is a lot larger. Denver's metro population is smaller or close to Phoenix's but their core is easily twice as big, and more dynamic and energetic.

True. It's a double edged sword though because if you regulate it more, than Utah isn't as business friendly, and companies look elsewhere. All SLC can do is make it the best it can be. Down the line companies that have established themselves in Utah, like Adobe, may find the amenities of the city great enough that they'd like to locate there.

delts145 · #**1868** Posted **Oct 20, 2010, 1:38 PM**

Seriously though, whether it's Seattle, The Bay Area, Denver, etc. these type of companies don't typically locate their campuses in a downtown location. The Thanksgiving Point area is becoming quite the dense, packed-in center of activity, and I think we're only beginning to see the tip of what's coming.

Looking at what has happened to Downtown Salt Lake over the past ten-plus years, and what's continuing to happen with the billions being invested in it's explosive redevelopment, I'm hardly worried about it becoming another Phoenix. Downtown Salt Lake has already long left in the dust that kind of problem.

Future Mayor · #**1869** Posted **Oct 20, 2010, 8:31 PM**

I was just as big of an opponent to the downtown skybridge as UB was, but as was mentioned there is no street level life/activity at the Adobe location so the skybridge from building to building won't be hampering anything like that.

I have no problems with a skybridge at this location. I wouldn't imagine that they would even find it necessary to build two 3 story buildings and connect them with a skybridge when the could save costs and just build one 4-5 story building.

s.p.hansen · #**1870** Posted **Oct 20, 2010, 11:45 PM**

More than the bridge, I just want that statue that's in the Adobe Office building image above. But I think the statue should honor some popular internet fad like the jello llama.

TonyAnderson · #**1871** Posted **Oct 21, 2010, 8:24 AM**

And actually made from Utah jello.

Erector · #**1872** Posted **Oct 21, 2010, 5:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Orlando

As much as I like that Adobe is building in Utah, I hate that all these software companies are clustering at a point between Salt Lake and Provo. Which means more damn sprawl!!!

Eagle Mountain Saratoga Springs, etc. will thrive. and the metro will continue to sprawl out instead of creating a much more dynamic and beautiful city. The core will suffer, and will always be fighting and losing out to the sprawl. We will be waiting for years for the downtown parking lots to be filled in. Pheonix is a prime example of sprawl. Phoenix metro is roughly the same population as Seattle, but Seattle is so much more urban and dynamic and beautiful. Phoenix's downtown doesn't look much bigger than Salt Lake's but it's population is a lot larger. Denver's metro population is smaller or close to Phoenix's but their core is easily twice as big, and more dynamic and energetic.

I actually have no problem with developing the area's between Salt Lake and Provo. It actually makes sense to fill the void between two larger cities. There is a phenomena called "Urban Echo," where two metro area's spread until they meet each other. At that point we see the development activity bounce back toward the downtown zones. It happens in natural circumstaces as well. Often time an urban sprawl will be confined by an ocean, or mountain range, and force developmental upgrades as the development cycle heads back toward the city centers.

Phoenix, and Vegas will continue to have uncontroled sprawl because of the amount of cheaper available land surrounding it. Seattle, San Francisco have already hit it's urban echo and have thus moved vertical. Dallas, Ft. Worth, have had there's, and current planning in the area is trying to keep development between the two cities.

s.p.hansen · #**1873** Posted **Oct 21, 2010, 5:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by TonyAnderson

And actually made from Utah jello.

That goes without saying. I think we should strive in all cases to build with as many supplies extracted and processed locally in our state as the given situation affords. And Adobe would have to be fools to outsource out of state jello (and jello artisans) when Utah produces it in the highest grades known to mankind with a fairly competitive labor cost.

delts145 · #**1874** Posted **Oct 22, 2010, 11:20 AM**

Thanksgiving Point theaters get $15M for renovations, expansion

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/article_abe36298-b261-576e-999e-7add11bc0456.html

Federal stimulus dollars will improve the viewing experience at the Thanksgiving Point movie theaters.

Utah County commissioners approved up to $15 million in tax-free bonds that will add nine screens and renovate the existing theaters. The county is often used as a pass-through agency for bonds for schools or non-profit organizations. But because of the nature of some of the federal stimulus dollars, for-profit agencies have access to the $25 million the county has available...

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delts145 · #**1875** Posted **Oct 23, 2010, 12:07 PM**

Cedar Hills OKs program plan for events center

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/article_6fd69ea8-675a-5d46-9f81-9f840800c0d9.html

The Cedar Hills City Council selected this model as the direction for the architect to use in designing a community events center. Courtesy graphic

...The plan for the events center, to be built at the Cedar Hills Golf Club over the winter, emphasizes a 4,000-plus square-foot banquet room for wedding receptions and other formal gatherings.

The event room would overlook the first fairway of the golf course to the north and have a panoramic view of Utah Valley from the northwest to the southwest. A dividable multi-purpose room on the main floor could also be used for smaller gatherings and informal meetings.

According to City Manager Konrad Hildebrandt, "Less than a third of the facility is directed at golf."

The east end of the main floor will feature a 1,144-square-foot golf retail store and a small golf pro shop. The basement will house golf cart storage and a cart wash and maintenance area.

The entire building is expected to be 16,000 square feet with an estimated cost of $100 per square foot, Hildebrandt said...

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