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Old Posted Oct 14, 2010, 5:55 AM
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Calm now, but it'll be one of the busiest stations in the network after M-line is extended....
     
     
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Is that supposed to be an indication of something? =S e.g. low demand at that particular time of day?
I don't see how you can judge demand by just a snapshot.
Probably next time we should have someone taking video for a four-minute time span to see how quickly the customers arrive.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 6:13 AM
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Was on the Canada Line one evening, during the 12-min spur service time, and noticed something odd. I was on the Waterfront train from Richmond, and as I was pulling into Bridgeport Station, the outbound train pulling out was for YVR-Airport. If I actually wanted to go to YVR-Airport, and got off at Bridgeport, I would have missed it, and have to wait another 12 mins. Factor in worst case scenario that I had to wait 12 mins at Richmond-Brighouse, to go from Richmond to YVR would've taken over 1/2 hour! During normal peak service, this wouldn't be an issue as the trains arriving at Bridgeport are the 'same' (outbound to Richmond, inbound from Richmond), so you would just have to wait for the next train to arrive. Does anyone notice that as well? I wonder if ProTrans could alter the sequence of the trains so that travel from YVR-Richmond would only result in a 6 min wait instead of 12 min.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 6:35 AM
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I wonder if ProTrans could alter the sequence of the trains so that travel from YVR-Richmond would only result in a 6 min wait instead of 12 min.
It sounds like pretty much a zero-cost modification, why don't you send an e-mail to Translink suggesting it? It was because of concerns voiced by the cyclists that they decided to run a few extra Expo Line trains for cyclists boarding immediately after the rush hour no-bikes window.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 4:38 PM
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Canada Line no ‘Crime Train’

Despite some initial fears that the construction of the Canada Line into Richmond might bring an influx of crime around rapid transit stations, a new report shows such fears were largely unfounded.

The report by the RCMP for the City of Richmond looked at incidences of crime within 250 metres of Canada Line stations before the train’s operation from Sept. 1, 2008 to July 31, 2009, and then again after its opening from Sept. 1, 2009, to July 31, 2010.

According to the report, presented Wednesday at city hall, there were 1,547 crimes near the transit stations in the pre-Canada Line period and 1,566 crimes after the train’s opening—numbers the report referred to as “stable.”

And while the overall number of crimes occurring in these areas remained steady, there were some changes in the types of crimes occurring in the areas around Richmond’s transit stations.

Property crimes decreased significantly around Richmond-Brighouse, Lansdowne and YVR-Airport stations, according to the report.

But property crimes around Bridgeport more than doubled from 53 incidents in 2008-2009 to 136 in 2009-2010.

Violent crime also increased by 39 incidences post-Canada Line, with a 2009-2010 total of 163 violent crimes reported—mostly around the city’s central stations.

Business break-and-enter incidents were nearly cut in half around all Richmond Canada Line stations and shoplifting, mischief and thefts from vehicles also decreased considerably.

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http://www.bclocalnews.com/richmond_southdelta/richmondreview/news/104886084.html
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 4:40 PM
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Premier pushes transportation plan

Pacific Gateway 'phase two' could help push provincial debt to $60 billion


By Vaughn Palmer, Vancouver Sun October 15, 2010

The B.C. Liberals are having to pull together the details of an updated multibillion-dollar transportation plan, following Premier Gordon Campbell's recent promise of a "phase two" in his ambitious Pacific Gateway initiative.

"We've done this before," the premier told local government leaders during his speech to the annual convention of the Union of B.C. Municipalities earlier this month. "In 2002 I spoke to you and laid out a plan to open up B.C. to the Pacific ... We set the foundation, but it is no time to stop ... We are looking at phase two."

Campbell went on to recall some elements of the first phase, including the Canada Line rapid transit service in Vancouver and Richmond, the container port in Prince Rupert, and upgrades to the Trans-Canada Highway, the Sea to Sky, and the main route through the Okanagan.

The rambling, hour-long address proceeded with passing references to the next phase, though Campbell neglected to specify where he was recycling and where he was expanding on earlier announcements.

For the umpteenth time, he promised the start of construction of the Evergreen Line through northeast Metro Vancouver was imminent, despite a $400-million gap in the project budget. Then came a brief discussion of next-phase transit expansions for Metro Vancouver and environs.

"It's time to get started doing the SkyTrain to Langley City. It's time to get ready to build a rapid bus from Langley to Chilliwack. It's time to build rapid transit to UBC."

Deconstructing that passage, rapid transit to the University of B.C. was part of the transit plan announced in early 2008. But the plan to run SkyTrain all the way out to Langley City goes beyond the earlier commitment to extend the existing Surrey line to Guildford. Nor was the Langley-to-Chilliwack extension included in the first phase expansion of rapid bus services.

Mindful of the presence of mayors and councillors from every corner of B.C., Campbell tipped his hat to some of them as well.

"We need to expand a rapid bus from Kelowna to West Kelowna. We need to get the rapid bus launched in the Capital Regional District, and we're going to significantly expand public transit options in other regional centres like Prince George and Kamloops and Nanaimo and Courtenay-Comox."

For those places where the bus is no answer, Campbell had this to say: "The transportation system is not just transit. We're going to fast-track the Cariboo Connector and expedite major improvements on Highway 97, Highway 3, Highway 16 and the Trans-Canada Highway."

The Cariboo Connector, meaning the projected widening of Highway 97 between Prince George and Cache Creek, is already under construction. But the current schedule, which involves finishing about 10 per cent of the project over five years, would not constitute fast-tracking in anyone's book.

The government has undertaken extensive work on those other routes as well, most notably the expensive straightening of the Trans-Canada through Kicking Horse Canyon. But from Campbell's admittedly sketchy reference, it would appear that the government is preparing to ramp up construction to a new level.

Details will presumably be ready for the premier's televised address on the provincial economy, scheduled for Oct. 27. Based on what he has said so far, the second phase of his transportation plan will run to billions of dollars.

Rapid transit to UBC, which includes tunnelling west along Broadway from the existing Millennium Line as far as Arbutus at least, was priced at almost $3 billion in 2008 dollars. The Campbell government estimated $1.1 billion for the six-kilometre SkyTrain extension to Guildford; going as far as Langley City could raise the price tag to $3 billion. The first phase of the rapid bus was pegged at $1.2 billion, so presumably that tab would be going up as well.

The Cariboo Connector comes with an all-in cost of $2 billion, again in current dollars. The still-to-be-completed Kicking Horse Canyon phase of the Trans-Canada upgrade is already priced at $1 billion. The government has spent and committed almost $1 billion worth of roadwork in the Okanagan Corridor with more, apparently, on the way.

Paying for it? Campbell said he was looking for partners, including Ottawa, local government and private developers to help shoulder the cost. But he acknowledged that the province will be going into hock as well.

"The cost of borrowing is not going to get cheaper than it is today," he told the UBCM. "The skilled labour available is not going to be more available in the future than it is today. And waiting won't save us a penny. It only costs us time, money and benefits to the families, communities and our environment."

Interesting contrast to what he said in the 2002 speech. Back then he boasted about his commitment to "financial discipline," balanced budgets and a cautionary approach to borrowing, then capped at about $40 billion by his reckoning.

Amid today's revisionist attitudes toward red ink, the provincial debt is already on track to top $50 billion in the next year.

And with Campbell indicating we shouldn't wait to borrow more, the debt could be well on its way to $60 billion before his term is over.


http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Premier+pushes+transportation+plan/3675517/story.html
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 4:50 PM
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Maybe Campbell knows his time is up and wants to push out his pet projects before being ousted in 2013. But a western Millennium Line extension needs to take precedent, even if it's just to Arbutus. Phase I could be a Fleetwood and Arbutus extension as an express bus trip from Arbutus to UBC and Fleetwood to Langley really doesn't take that long. A Phase 2 extension to Langley and UBC would then be a no brainer to whoever's in power at the time.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 5:52 PM
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Any rapid transit expansion in Metro Vancouver would have to include Translink and to this point there is no funding mechanism that allows therm to raise necessary monies for expansion. I wonder if the Mayor's Council will have an announcement Oct . 27th when Premier Campbell makes his?
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 7:27 PM
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Note to InTransitBC: THIS IS HOW YOU DESIGN A TRAIN INTERIOR.


http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/C...bway-101015/20101015/?hub=TorontoNewHome

Side seating? Check.
Appropriate bars and handles to hold onto for standing space? Check.
Even the non-shiny but dulled bars look nicer, no fingerprints! Check!

The only thing I don't like is the blood red seat colour, it makes the train look retro already in a way...but I guess it is the TTC's colour.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 7:59 PM
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I dunno... I hate either 1) having to stand next to side-seaters, or 2) being seated in a side-seat with others standing over me.

I am not convinced that side seating leads to more standing room. Look at your picture. Two sideseats + legs use the same amount of floor space as two seats facing forward.

In the pic, the side seats have not improved passenger capacity, they have just made life more awkward and confrontational for both the seated and standing passengers.

Go into a C-Line Rotem car sometime and estimate how capacity would change by rotating the seats 90 degrees. There are some side seats on each train so you can make a direct comparison. The savings would be minimal and the discomfort would be greater. And this is on a layout that was deliberately given extra leg room for luggage.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 8:14 PM
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One the biggest reasons that I prefer side seating or single seating in the direction of travel. Is that we a double seat if I'm on the inside I have to ask someone to move. While with side seating or single seats. I don't have to bother anyone else.

Unless I know I'm going to be riding the train or bus to the very end. I will most times choose not to sit on the inside of a double seat.

Another reason is because I have long legs. My knees are jammed in behind the seat in front of me. Which is another reason I like side seating and even single seats and I turn my legs a bit outwards.

I don't mind sitting in a side seat and having someone standing in front of me. So long as she is good looking.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 8:18 PM
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It looks more like burgundy or red wine to me.

The narrower seats on the Toronto trains look more space efficient. The seats on the Canada Line trains are oversized. I like the new MKII seats the best, although they could be lower to the ground a bit.

And I love the centre monkey bars (whatever you call them).
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 8:48 PM
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I think the Canada Line cars could use more hand holds wheather along the seats or down the center of the cars as in the new Mark 2s
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 10:11 PM
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I still think the new MK IIs provide one of the best designs/layouts. It fits more standees than the old MK IIs, and more passengers than side seating (plus people prefer seating facing in the direction of travel anyway). With side seating, only two "columns" of passengers can be achieved. People generally don't form the "third" column because there isn't that much space available. New MKII layout still allow for two "columns" of standees despite less space for standees. Not to mention, the seats on the MK IIs are one of the most comfortable seats on transit, perfect arch support and smooth, easy-to-clean, material.

For sure, what I like about the new TTC cars is that it's brighter. I really don't like the "bluish" lighting on the Canada Line trains: it feels really cold. The emergency intercom system is also easier to use on the TTC trains: just pull to speak with an operator (which is actually found in many systems around the world); on the Canada Line, not that I've used it before, the emergency intercom requires you to press to speak with an operator, but let go to listen to the operator (whereas the MK I and MK II, you just need to push a button). Notice there is an emergency intercom on the TTC trains is located RIGHT NEXT to the wheelchair seating area.

Also like the fact that there are LCD displays, flashing LED maps in addition to the LED Text Display. While the LED maps aren't necessary (as that can be provided via LCD Displays), I think we should have LCD displays throughout the train. See Tokyo Metro Vision:
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Definitely with LCD Displays, you can present a lot more information with specific details. Tokyo Metro Vision Displays display (on some lines)....
  • Line Information (i.e. time remaining for the next stations... something Jarrett Walker touched on as a benefit for transport systems, in his experience in Paris)
  • Connections to other lines and buses
  • Station information (where you train stops relative to the entire platform, where the elevator is rel. to your train, where the stairs are, etc.)

Displays could also display advertisements (advertisement specific displays), important transit disruptions, transit alerts, etc. Not to mention, you can have information available in other languages. I know we've had a debate on other languages on our transit, and I'm not advocating for a Mandarin speaker, but it would be nice to have important transit alerts and general information made available via text in other languages, such as Chinese, Punjabi, etc.

There's a reason why YVR uses displays for some of its signage: they are flexible, easy to change, and can display a lot of info.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 10:37 PM
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The "Olympics" tram line (Olympic Village station<-> Granville Island) is back in service for weekends/holidays:
http://www.trams.bc.ca/dhr/schedule.html
     
     
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I dunno... I hate either 1) having to stand next to side-seaters, or 2) being seated in a side-seat with others standing over me.

I am not convinced that side seating leads to more standing room. Look at your picture. Two sideseats + legs use the same amount of floor space as two seats facing forward.

In the pic, the side seats have not improved passenger capacity, they have just made life more awkward and confrontational for both the seated and standing passengers.

Go into a C-Line Rotem car sometime and estimate how capacity would change by rotating the seats 90 degrees. There are some side seats on each train so you can make a direct comparison. The savings would be minimal and the discomfort would be greater. And this is on a layout that was deliberately given extra leg room for luggage.
I can assure you that this is simply not the case, given what I've experienced in Asia. Side seating adds quite a bit of standing room capacity, and thus increases overall capacity, and it also increases mobility within the train.

If the Canada Line Rotems had mainly side seating, we wouldn't be having the crush issues we're seeing today during peak.
     
     
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Note to InTransitBC: THIS IS HOW YOU DESIGN A TRAIN INTERIOR.

[IMG]http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20101015/600_TTC_101014.jpg[IMG]
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/C...bway-101015/20101015/?hub=TorontoNewHome
i believe this final design is already a compromise (still have some transverse seatings). If I remember correct, the media once reported that the new TTC subway car is going to have side seatings only.
     
     
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Side seating adds quite a bit of standing room capacity, and thus increases overall capacity, and it also increases mobility within the train.
The mobility issue is especially important on Skytrain because the cars are much narrower and with double forward-facing seats on each side of the aisle there's zero room to get past a standee.
     
     
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I don't see how you can judge demand by just a snapshot.
Probably next time we should have someone taking video for a four-minute time span to see how quickly the customers arrive.
lol... I was just asking about what the shot was supposed to mean... that's all ^^ because usually if there's a photo it generally means something yes/no? Sometimes the message is very clear but in this case I was like... "hmm? ummm.....?" ^^

As for seats... yeah, I'd prefer longitudinal seating for Canada Line Rotems... they do fill up quite quickly, although the last time i rode one in rush-hour direction and time was like during the summertime. ^^

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The "Olympics" tram line (Olympic Village station<-> Granville Island) is back in service for weekends/holidays:
http://www.trams.bc.ca/dhr/schedule.html
Oh... btw that's at the same time as the transport fair. =O I wonder how the two organizations will coordinate things... if at all. =O
     
     
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Note to InTransitBC: THIS IS HOW YOU DESIGN A TRAIN INTERIOR.


http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/C...bway-101015/20101015/?hub=TorontoNewHome

Side seating? Check.
Appropriate bars and handles to hold onto for standing space? Check.
Even the non-shiny but dulled bars look nicer, no fingerprints! Check!

The only thing I don't like is the blood red seat colour, it makes the train look retro already in a way...but I guess it is the TTC's colour.

eww I would have look at another human being across from me? ewww

gawd why don't people like that? i prefer this arrangement too
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