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  #10401  
Old Posted Oct 14, 2010, 5:55 AM
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The thing you have to remember too is that new buildings are physically bigger then they were 70 years ago. Ceilings are higher, lobbies are taller, floorplates are bigger. Buildings today are just plain different then say the Empire State Building.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2010, 12:48 PM
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Sometimes I wonder if there could have been or will be some design changes that we won't know about untill they are built.
The physical appearance of the top of the building hasn't been revealed, though we have some idea thanks to ZenSteelduds's drawings. It's not clear if and when the Port Authority will release those details along with finalized spire plans.
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I don't think that will happen until early next year, at around the same time it will top Chase Manhattan Bank, leaving only a handful of skyscrapers Downtown to be conquered on its quest to skyline's tallest.
Reminds me of a wonderful book about the race for title of Downtown's tallest back in the '20s -'30s. Great book if you like to time travel. Everything old is new again.



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Old Posted Oct 14, 2010, 4:56 PM
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Not really news...and NOT an invitation for a city vs. city or spire vs. roof argument.


http://blogs.wsj.com/developments/2010/10/13/tallest-building-title-may-return-to-new-york/
Tallest Building Title May Return to New York


The Willis Tower: Tallest in America, for now...

Maura Webber Sadovi reports:
October 13, 2010

Lovely, I can't wait to see NYC at the top in the Americas again!
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2010, 8:02 PM
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2010, 8:46 PM
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Nice shot, looks to be about even with the B/V Building.


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The physical appearance of the top of the building hasn't been revealed, though we have some idea thanks to ZenSteelduds's drawings. It's not clear if and when the Port Authority will release those details along with finalized spire plans.
I've been checking the PA website about once a week for any change orders involving the spire. It should be the only change to the top of the tower, but it well still look the same as it does in the latest renderings. Any change would be structural.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2010, 8:48 PM
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i dont really think Chicago cares anymore if we have the tallest anymore lol
Not true in my book, I mean look at my signature!
But in all honesty, I think NYC deserves to get the title back right now because of everything that's happened in the past nine years.
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... a three-story building in Idaho...
three stories?!? that would be SWEET!!!

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Old Posted Oct 14, 2010, 10:01 PM
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Look at the Sears...I mean, Willis Tower. That's what most 2,000 foot towers will probably look like in the future, a future half or more empty. These kind of towers are huge and become outdated quickly. Furthermore your right, the space just isn't needed. We can look at our own cities and see the office vacancies already, imagine trying to get rid of a 2,000 foot tower. 1WTC will be successful being in the financial capital of the world, just as the Twins were before. But beyond that who really knows.
These are all good points, but I think they're only relevant in the short term. The current recession is going to take at least half a decade to even get back to pre-recession levels is term of employment which certainly affects vacancy rates. But beyond that, here are the long term trends:

-More than half of the entire world's population now lives in urban areas, and that trend is accelerating, not declining, especially in places like China, India and Africa.
-Global population is expected to reach 9 billion by 2050 in an information economy which equals office jobs
-As the human population grows, its use of land will require more space for cultivating crops and livestock which will infringe upon the exurbs and other areas, forcing more people in urban areas.

So, the five to ten year picture may be in a lull for supertalls, but we'll be seeing way more tall buildings as cities contract from the pressures of increased agriculture land use and urbanization in an information economy that use offices.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2010, 11:00 PM
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the core scaffolding is now installed for floor 43,44. Can anyone tell if steel beams have gone up on 43,44 core yet?
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2010, 11:32 PM
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The corn is higher !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old Posted Oct 14, 2010, 11:37 PM
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the core scaffolding is now installed for floor 43,44. Can anyone tell if steel beams have gone up on 43,44 core yet?
It's not so much installed as it is jacked up to the new level. Without actually checking, I would say it is or well be in a day or two.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 12:06 AM
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They should turn the white unicorn spire into glass and light it up different colors!
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 12:16 AM
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How do you know that that is not the plan ????!!!!!
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 12:44 AM
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These are all good points, but I think they're only relevant in the short term. The current recession is going to take at least half a decade to even get back to pre-recession levels is term of employment which certainly affects vacancy rates. But beyond that, here are the long term trends:

-More than half of the entire world's population now lives in urban areas, and that trend is accelerating, not declining, especially in places like China, India and Africa.
-Global population is expected to reach 9 billion by 2050 in an information economy which equals office jobs
-As the human population grows, its use of land will require more space for cultivating crops and livestock which will infringe upon the exurbs and other areas, forcing more people in urban areas.

So, the five to ten year picture may be in a lull for supertalls, but we'll be seeing way more tall buildings as cities contract from the pressures of increased agriculture land use and urbanization in an information economy that use offices.
Regarding population growth, remember that demographic trends can turn on a dime. Who knew even 30 years ago that Europe would be looking at quite probable continent-wide depopulation, with a birthrate chronically below replacement level? America's population is growing only due to immigration. Japan and South Korea have stopped growing, and possibly face decline. The simple fact is, developed countries struggle to maintain healthy population growth. It's the poor ones that grow fast - and those aren't the ones that usually build 2,000 foot towers.
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 12:49 AM
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I knew they jacked up the cranes. I didn't know they jacked up the scaffolding at the core. Thanks for the info.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 1:02 AM
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I'm sure everyone on this forum knows this, but the Empire State Building was known as the "Empty State Building" throughout the 1930's because it was built at the beginning of the Great Depression and remained largely empty after it was built. The same fate may or may not be true for so many supertalls being built throughout the world today. Be it bragging rights or supply filling demand... whatever. I appreciate great architecture at whatever size the building is. If it's a three-story building in Idaho or a 125 story building in Dubai, as long as the architecture is nice and the building makes sense in its location, I'm all for it.

One World Trade Center is being built (as is the entire WTC complex) in a location where demand will make sure the buildings are filled. As many of you will agree, I can't wait to see it fill the void left by the loss of the original World Trade Center (and the lives of all those who were lost that day).

Now back to the subject of the building itself...
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 1:50 AM
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So what is more important. Height or meaning. This tower complex has both!. More then any other project built today.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 1:52 AM
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Please keep the topic on the Freedom Tower. If you wanna discuss population trends, do so in a thread elsewhere. Thanks in advance.


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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 2:05 AM
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Was that picture taken early this week?
     
     
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