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Old Posted Oct 12, 2010, 10:32 PM
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Radio editorial from today...

CHQR Editorial Comment: The UAE Has a Point
Posted 10/12/2010 12:20:00 PM

Canada has suddenly found itself embroiled in a tense diplomatic standoff with the United Arab Emirates

Canada is being forced to vacate its military base in the Arab nation, and yesterday the UAE even closed its airspace to Defence Minister Peter MacKay.

On the surface, it seems quite galling that we could be lectured to by a country ranked by the organization Freedom House as being “not free” and scoring quite low on political rights and civil liberties

The source of the dipute is the question of aviation landing rights. The UAE wants more landing rights in Canada for its national carriers, Emirates and Etihad. Air Canada opposes the move.

What is so threatening about these airlines wanting to land more flights in Canada? Why, exactly, is this ostensibly pro-free-market and pro-free-trade Conservative government taking such a position?

It seems pretty clear that when it comes to air travel, this country has long been very protectionist. So the United Arab Emirates might have a very valid point here.

Not only that, but a recent study by the Frontier Centre for Public Policy showed how Canada's protectionist policies mean much higher costs for Canadian air travellers.

Ottawa's protectionist stanbce on this issue is very disappointing considering the other ways in which they've promoted free trade.

For example, last year Ottawa overruled the CRTC and allowed Globalive into the Canadian wireless market.

More recently, the federal government cut the 25-per-cent tariff on ship imports.

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty defended the move saying, "We believe in free trade," said Flaherty. "We believe in reducing tariffs and we encourage countries around the world to do the same thing."

It's time for Ottawa to walk it's talk. Our protectionist approach to air travel flies in the face of that rhetoric and will ultimately hurt Canadian consumers and Canadian companies trying to compete abroad.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2010, 10:59 PM
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One of the disadvantages that Canada has is that Canadians have a general dislike of Air Canada.

Other countries don't have to worry about their national airlines folding as a greater number of their countrymen would only fly on [one of] their national carriers.

Due to the demise of Canadian Airlines, there's not a lot of love in much of Canada for its only national carrier.

There just isn't the brand loyalty. Given the choice would you fly:
JAL or AC to Japan?
SQ or AC to Singapore?
BA or AC to Britain?
AF or AC to France?
KLM or AC to Amsterdam?
Luftthansa or AC to Germany?
Qantas or AC to Australia?

AC has a better reputation outside of Canada than inside. At least in the West this is true.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2010, 3:12 PM
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Wow - not only has the government's pandering to Air Canada jeopardized our country's military mission in the Middle East, it has also apparent cost us our UN security council seat. Read on...

Angering Emirates to help Air Canada is dumb


BY DON MARTIN, POSTMEDIA NEWSOCTOBER 13, 2010 7:30 AM


The foreign affairs fizzle of losing its bid for a UN Security Council seat on Tuesday, while a humiliation for the history books, was not Canada's major diplomatic breakdown of the last week.

The dogfight in the skies over the United Arab Emirates has the potential to punch a billion-dollar hole in Canadian exports to the region, even while we're hastily evicted from a military base that's cost tens of millions of dollars to carve out of the desert sand near Dubai.

Long after the red faces fade over Canada's smack down at the UN and Prime Minister Stephen Harper gives up his desperation tactic of trying to blame the failure on trash-talking by Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff, the negatives from losing Camp Mirage and resulting economic tensions with this tiny but fabulously wealthy sheikdom will linger.

In a remarkable tit for tat exchange over 100 hours of total negotiation meltdown, Canada's belligerent refusal to allow more UAE-owned airline flights into Toronto, Vancouver and Calgary turned into the UAE's petulant aviation blockade and a premature military eviction. Some say the UAE went so far as to lobby its Arab neighbours to vote against Canada's security council seat.

There are no angels in the air over this dispute.

Transport Canada has been needlessly provocative and protectionist in refusing sisters Emirates and Etihad Airlines more than their thrice-weekly landing rights in Toronto -- a seriously warped change for a Conservative government that has campaigned worldwide to eliminate barriers to trade and commerce.

But the UAE is not playing fair in evicting Canada from its secret Camp Mirage military base on 30-days notice and then denying Defence Minister Peter MacKay and his top general permission to land there over the weekend.

The sheiks have cross-wired a business disagreement to a political-military discussion and blown a fuse that has plunged a speedy resolution into darkness.

The way it's been explained to aviation insiders, the air war began when former transport minister John Baird demanded continued route protection for Air Canada's one-stop hop to the Middle East, a position supported by Harper who was infuriated when the UAE slapped down Camp Mirage as a blackmail bargaining chip.

But tempers really flared after a trio of Transport Canada bureaucrats went to Dubai last summer to offer the airlines more flights but with the seat count capped below the existing limit.

It's not nice to jerk around mega-billionaire sheiks ruling an energy superpower.

The ones governing this New Brunswick-sized country of eight million people blew their stacks at what they perceived to be an intelligence insult and set to work making life miserable for all things Canadian amid rumours unofficial trade boycotts will follow if they don't get their way.

By ordering Camp Mirage emptied of Canadian soldiers, they've forced our military into an unnecessary and costly scramble for alternative military staging areas in far less strategic locations.

A trading relationship with an energy superpower with a strong aviation sector that's hungry for Canadian exports is also at risk. Of the $1.8 billion in two-way trade, $1.2 billion goes from Canada's canola fields and gold mines into the UAE market.

Here's hoping saner heads prevail on both sides of the world. To sacrifice so much trade in one of the world's fastest growing economies and a military partnership with the most Western friendly Gulf state just to preserve passenger counts for Air Canada is a ridiculously expensive airfare subsidy.

Provided Air Canada is granted equal air access to Dubai and Abu Dhabi, Transport Canada should open up our skies and let consumers make the choice of which seats to fill. That is supposedly the Conservative mantra.

After the brutal experiences of the last week, Canada needs to stop turning its red face to the world. It clearly needs a new look before its solid profile on the world stage disappears like, well, a mirage.

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The article above merely fuels a common misconception, and taps into some segments of the population's dislike of Air Canada. European carriers did not want to see Emirates given unfettered access to our market either. As I pointed out upthread, there is a backlash brewing against Emirates in Europe.

As to Camp Mirage, what's the big deal? We're going to be out of Afghanistan next year anyway. Dubai shamefully attempted to link a commercial issue with a geopolitical one and lost. The fact that they would do so at all shows how intertwined Emirates is with the State of Dubai.
     
     
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Europe has a good reason to support emirates, ethiad, they buy lots of their planes. Now if we had indicated they could have all the landing rights they want for buying 100 or 200 C-Series Jets, our government might be singing another tune.

In any case, still the right call by Harper, even if it could have been done a little quieter.
     
     
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The article above merely fuels a common misconception, and taps into some segments of the population's dislike of Air Canada. European carriers did not want to see Emirates given unfettered access to our market either. As I pointed out upthread, there is a backlash brewing against Emirates in Europe.
Actually, it's protectionism. UAE wasn't asking for unfettered access to Canada. They were asking for MORE access, as in more than the 6x weekly flights to Canada they are allowed today. Despite what Air Canada might say, a daily flight from Vancouver to Dubai -- even using a 600 seat A380 -- isn't going to destroy Air Canada's dominant position at YVR.

Commercial practicalities aside, though, it was wrong for the UAE to try to link access to Camp Mirage with an aviation agreement. It's bully-boy tactics that unfortunately, result in both sides losing.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2010, 6:18 PM
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There just isn't the brand loyalty. Given the choice would you fly:
JAL or AC to Japan?
SQ or AC to Singapore?
BA or AC to Britain?
AF or AC to France?
KLM or AC to Amsterdam?
Luftthansa or AC to Germany?
Qantas or AC to Australia?
If Qantas was flying an A380 I'd change my mind. But I don't think it has the range to do YVR - SYD does it ?

SQ, Lufthansa, and Emirates are all top tier airlines. Otherwise, AC is nice.
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2010, 6:20 PM
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I think the only think that a link to Dubai would delay is a direct link to India...

When are we getting that YVR-DEL route, again?
     
     
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It could reduce frequency or capacity to LHR, AMS, and FRA.
     
     
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People will always prefer direct flights. Though, people wouldn't be connecting through "friendly" Countries if they did want to go to the Middle East.

One would have to know how many people fly to LHR or FRA to connect to India, etc. I'm sure there might be *some*

Even a small % of people who fly to Tokyo are connecting to Singapore, Philippines, etc. with the Star or One World Alliance.

NRT happens to be a major hub for both, of course
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Wow - not only has the government's pandering to Air Canada jeopardized our country's military mission in the Middle East, it has also apparent cost us our UN security council seat. Read on...

Angering Emirates to help Air Canada is dumb


BY DON MARTIN, POSTMEDIA NEWSOCTOBER 13, 2010 7:30 AM


The foreign affairs fizzle of losing its bid for a UN Security Council seat on Tuesday, while a humiliation for the history books, was not Canada's major diplomatic breakdown of the last week.

The dogfight in the skies over the United Arab Emirates has the potential to punch a billion-dollar hole in Canadian exports to the region, even while we're hastily evicted from a military base that's cost tens of millions of dollars to carve out of the desert sand near Dubai.

Long after the red faces fade over Canada's smack down at the UN and Prime Minister Stephen Harper gives up his desperation tactic of trying to blame the failure on trash-talking by Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff, the negatives from losing Camp Mirage and resulting economic tensions with this tiny but fabulously wealthy sheikdom will linger.

In a remarkable tit for tat exchange over 100 hours of total negotiation meltdown, Canada's belligerent refusal to allow more UAE-owned airline flights into Toronto, Vancouver and Calgary turned into the UAE's petulant aviation blockade and a premature military eviction. Some say the UAE went so far as to lobby its Arab neighbours to vote against Canada's security council seat.

There are no angels in the air over this dispute.

Transport Canada has been needlessly provocative and protectionist in refusing sisters Emirates and Etihad Airlines more than their thrice-weekly landing rights in Toronto -- a seriously warped change for a Conservative government that has campaigned worldwide to eliminate barriers to trade and commerce.

But the UAE is not playing fair in evicting Canada from its secret Camp Mirage military base on 30-days notice and then denying Defence Minister Peter MacKay and his top general permission to land there over the weekend.

The sheiks have cross-wired a business disagreement to a political-military discussion and blown a fuse that has plunged a speedy resolution into darkness.

The way it's been explained to aviation insiders, the air war began when former transport minister John Baird demanded continued route protection for Air Canada's one-stop hop to the Middle East, a position supported by Harper who was infuriated when the UAE slapped down Camp Mirage as a blackmail bargaining chip.

But tempers really flared after a trio of Transport Canada bureaucrats went to Dubai last summer to offer the airlines more flights but with the seat count capped below the existing limit.

It's not nice to jerk around mega-billionaire sheiks ruling an energy superpower.

The ones governing this New Brunswick-sized country of eight million people blew their stacks at what they perceived to be an intelligence insult and set to work making life miserable for all things Canadian amid rumours unofficial trade boycotts will follow if they don't get their way.

By ordering Camp Mirage emptied of Canadian soldiers, they've forced our military into an unnecessary and costly scramble for alternative military staging areas in far less strategic locations.

A trading relationship with an energy superpower with a strong aviation sector that's hungry for Canadian exports is also at risk. Of the $1.8 billion in two-way trade, $1.2 billion goes from Canada's canola fields and gold mines into the UAE market.

Here's hoping saner heads prevail on both sides of the world. To sacrifice so much trade in one of the world's fastest growing economies and a military partnership with the most Western friendly Gulf state just to preserve passenger counts for Air Canada is a ridiculously expensive airfare subsidy.

Provided Air Canada is granted equal air access to Dubai and Abu Dhabi, Transport Canada should open up our skies and let consumers make the choice of which seats to fill. That is supposedly the Conservative mantra.

After the brutal experiences of the last week, Canada needs to stop turning its red face to the world. It clearly needs a new look before its solid profile on the world stage disappears like, well, a mirage.

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This - plus other issues like Oil Sands environmental destruction, and a near-total neglect of foreign aid - all coming from Canada, the "goody gumdrop" of the international scene, have given the present government the kick in the ass it deserves, and exposed Canada as the small-minded hypocrite it CAN SOMETIMES be. Although not directly the airlines, I think this episode has given the government the kick in the butt - humiliatingly done on the world stage - that it deserves, unless it changes it attitude and walks the talk.
Many will vehemently disagree, but that's my two cents' worth. Thank you.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2010, 3:54 PM
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Landing rights dispute with UAE may force 'open skies' debate

BY BARBARA YAFFE, VANCOUVER SUNOCTOBER 14, 2010

Canada's dispute with the United Arab Emirates over airline landing rights lifts a curtain on a dispute between Ottawa and Western premiers over Canadian airline policy.

The bilateral quarrel also highlights a key exception the Harper Conservatives make in their habitual stand against protectionism.

Conservatives, like governments before them, have been protective of Canada's domestic airline industry, reluctant to allow foreign carriers unfettered access to Canadian cities.

The UAE for many years has sought expanded landing rights in this country.

The disagreement blew open last weekend when the Middle Eastern country, in a high-profile expression of national anger, closed its airspace to a jet carrying Defence Minister Peter MacKay.

Further, the UAE has asked Canada to vacate its Camp Mirage military base over yonder in retaliation for this country's airline protectionism.

This will complicate pending plans to move Canadian soldiers and equipment out of Afghanistan.

The issue over airline rights has festered for a while. In June, the Western Premiers' Conference issued a statement: "The lack of Open Skies agreements is currently costing our economies hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of jobs.

"This goes beyond transportation. It is about the West's ability to attract investors, trade, international students and tourists.

"Lack of agreements is holding Western economies back."

Specifically, the premiers contend, greater access for foreign carriers, particularly from the Asia-Pacific region, would translate into better airline service, increased flight options, enhanced competition and cheaper prices, as well as more jobs for Canadians.

In February, Alberta Premier Ed Stelmach publicly raised the matter of UAE airline access: "During my recent visit to the UAE, it was very apparent that Alberta needs to have direct international air access from key markets like the UAE in order to stay competitive in the global economy. "

That same month, a study by the B.C. office of InterVISTAS Consulting, commissioned by Emirates Airline, projected that extra Emirates Airline flights to Toronto, Calgary and Vancouver would deliver $480 million in economic benefits and more than 2,800 jobs to Canada.

"Canada's domestic carriers stand to benefit significantly from the projected growth in foreign tourists and business travellers," asserted the study.

The state-backed Emirates Airline has been permitted to operate three flights weekly to Canada. It wants to fly daily to Toronto, Calgary and Vancouver.

Singapore Airlines and Icelandair also have been seeking greater access to the Canadian airline market.

Westerners have reason to want more flying options. It's inconvenient to have to fly first to Toronto or Montreal in order to catch a flight to major European capitals and points beyond.

And based on the sub-par service I received aboard a recent Air Canada flight to Paris, Canada's domestic airline might benefit from competition.

Room for competition also exists when it comes to price.

A study released last July by the Winnipeg-based Frontier Centre for Public Policy surveyed five cheapest-fare 3,300-mile flights and found Canadian passengers pay an average fare

per mile of 45 cents. Americans pay 28 cents, and Europeans pay 16 cents.

The report, by Frontier research director Mark Milke, urged Ottawa to adopt an "open-skies" policy that would allow foreign airlines to operate unfettered in Canada, in exchange for similar rights for Canadian airlines abroad.

This has now become a hot political issue, with Opposition Liberals accusing the government of incompetence and bungling in its negotiations with the UAE and reports circulating that the Harper cabinet is split on the landing-rights controversy.

To date, neither main party has put forward a clear position on an "open skies" airline policy for Canada. It is obviously time to have that national debate.

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SWISS/Edelweiss adds a second weekly non-stop flight ZRH-YVR for summer 2011

SWISS/Edelweiss adds a second weekly flight to YVR for summer 2011, changes the planes from A330-200 to A330-300

Zurich – Vancouver

01JUN11 – 14SEP11 NEW roundtrip terminator flight with Airbus A330-300
WK010/LX8010 ZRH1215 – 1355YVR 333 3
WK011/LX8011 YVR1540 – 1055+1ZRH 333 3

this is in addition to Zurich – Calgary – Vancouver – Zurich
03JUN11 – 16SEP11 Service relaunched in Summer 2010 returns in S11
WK012/LX8012 ZRH1450 – 1655YYC1840 – 1900YVR2010 – 1525+1ZRH 332 5

from Airline Route: http://airlineroute.net/2010/10/18/wklx-s11/
     
     
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American Airlines, WestJet alliance

American Airlines and WestJet Airlines formed an alliance Tuesday to more seamlessly carry passengers on each others' networks, the two carriers said.

American Airlines, owned by AMR Corp, and WestJet, Canada's second-biggest airline, said they had entered into a so-called interline agreement.

The deal will allow American passengers traveling to Canada and transferring to a WestJet flight to buy a single ticket and to check their bags through to the final destination.

American passengers will be able to connect to 25 new Canadian cities not currently served by American or American Eagle.

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Nice, WestJet is totally joining OneWorld if these deals work (and if there is a category for airlines such as theirs). FinnAir, Cathay Pacific, American, all with deals as of late.
     
     
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found a vancouver mention...

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Mr. Fentress mentioned that Vancouver International Airport has what strikes me as a brilliant idea: a bar in the baggage claim area, which might entice more friends and family to agree to the airport pick-up chore.

“You can sit there and have a beverage and wait for your friend,” he said. “Why that doesn’t catch on more in the U.S., I don’t know.”
full article/source: http://travel.nytimes.com/2010/10/24/travel/24prac.html
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Canada & Switzerland updating their Open Skies Agreements as well as Double Taxation Agreements.

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Good timing, considering the additional flight.
     
     
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