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Old Posted Oct 6, 2010, 12:54 PM
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Personal note:

- I am very encouraged about the idea of incorporating a downtown terminal into the proposed arena/events centre. I remember that we raised this very possibility in our discussions on this subject on our very own forum here......perhaps they read it!

- With two universities and two community colleges in town (as well as the UNB Health Sciences campus at the Moncton Hospital), it probably shouldn't be surprising that there are 9,200 post secondary students in the metro area, especially if you included both full time and part time students. If you went further and expanded Codiac Transit into a truly regional transit service, also including places like Shediac and Sackville, then you could toss in Mt. A students as well and come up with a regional total of about 12,000 post secondary students. I really think that Codiac should do this. Regional transit to Shediac would be very popular with commuters and beach goers. Regional transit to Sackville would be popular with students and would greatly improve accessibility of Mt. A to the greater Moncton community.

In any event, this seems like a well thought out report.

Although they didn't mention it in the report, the new Codiac Transit garage and depot on Millenium Blvd. is nearing completion.
I for one can attest and am frustrated by the express routes in Moncton. Nothing is more frustrating than you are rushing to catch a bus, you are less than a minute from 'rounding the corner to the bus stop, and you see the #1 zoom by, followed less than 10 seconds later, by one of the Express buses - and neither bus is full! If either bus has more than 10 people each I'd be surprised.

Half the time you have it so that the one of the express busses and one of the full route buses (#1, or #2) leap frog each other around the route. The other half the time (usually during peak hours) most of the express busses some how end up clumped up at one end of the route instead of distributed evenly over it providing full coverage.

But I digress,

Every time I'm in the HRM I see how amazingly expansive their metro system is. It seems that no matter what far corner of the HRM you are in you'll find bus service. I really think Moncton needs to look at that.

In my observation what would be a great boost:
  • In the summer, a 3 time daily shuttle right to Parlee beach entrance (and maybe one more stop on the return leg into downtown Shediac)
  • 2-3 time daily year round shuttle service to Sackville (MonctonRad's point)
  • This is more of an infrastructure thing, but Invest in eco buses, Fuel cell, electric etc.
  • Late night or 24 hour service on Core routes in Moncton (Im thinking one Mountain Rd route (1,2,Ex), Elmwood, Single to Dieppe, and a Single to Riverview, and possibly one of the routs that hits the hospitals.. (I know there are risks to that, but you can have a separate fare schedule to incorporate late night runs, and in case of security, you can staff a guard on the bus, and have a camera. ( the buses are already wired for internet, streaming a camera signal back to a monitoring station would not be far fetched))
It seems to me, the biggest problem the City has, is that Moncton is expanding ALOT faster than its transport network can expand. Some extreme cases, areas that should have bus service (new areas) have to wait years before they see it, and even then the service is spotty. And areas like Dieppe, have almost no real bus coverage and they need to acknowledge that. The fact that we have no reliable shuttle service to the Airport in a 'major center' blows my mind.
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2010, 1:04 PM
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An article on Hall's Creek Villages (vision lands) in the T&T: http://timestranscript.canadaeast.com/article/1250689

And the website is up: http://hallscreek.ca/
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2010, 8:26 PM
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Thanks for the links pierre.

For those amongst us who don't like clicking on links.........I will provide a few images (and comments).

According to the T&T, Hall's Creek Village is a $30M development that will occupy 264 acres out of 1500 acres in the Vision Lands.

This is the area to be developed:

The TCH is to the top of the image and McLaughlin Road is to the right.

Another view: The TCH is to the top right and Wheeler Blvd. is to the top left.

The development will be right behind Ecole Mascaret and Ecole Odysse

This is a typical residential area in the development:

All the houses are semi-detached and border on a common area in the back.

This shows what the "common area" might look like - sort of a mini-playground area.


This is an interesting concept for a residential development. Aside from the semi-detached nature of the houses, the development looks like it would be ultra-low density with abundant parkland. The concept of having an interconnected series of mini-villages is intriguing as is the accent on sustainable living and green development.

It will be interesting to see how well this is recieved. It is certainly a non traditional concept. I for one do not want the entire Vision Lands developed in this manner. It would be nice to have areas with higher density as well, especially closer to the Hall's Creek Marsh. Some taller apartment buildings and condos there would look nice as you drive by along Wheeler Blvd.
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Every time I'm in the HRM I see how amazingly expansive their metro system is. It seems that no matter what far corner of the HRM you are in you'll find bus service. I really think Moncton needs to look at that.
Halifax Metro Transit has similar problems covering new development, particularly large subdivisions. Only about 3/4 of the population is served by buses. A very small number live near express buses/BRT or ferries.

Something else to keep in mind is that bus service is not very useful unless it is reasonably good. The twice-a-day milk runs are at best very slow and at worst useless if they don't line up with your schedule. Buses become really useful when there is a mix of express and regular service and frequencies are high enough that you don't really need to worry about schedules much.

In order to have good transit cities also need to fund their systems as a major service (think of how much is spent on public roads and private personal vehicles).

I would love to see the development of automated transit systems that can run small vehicles (electric buses or light rail on surface tracks) at high frequencies and are affordable for cities like Moncton.
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Anyone know what they are building a wooden hut/shelter thingy for on St. George near that used car/boat lot? Drove by yesterday and it was there...

JL
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Chains expanding now that recession is over

A1By Jesse Robichaud
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Some of North America's hottest names in retail are headed to Metro Moncton in the next few months.

Eric Pelletier of Enterprise Greater Moncton says shoppers come to Metro Moncton from around the Maritimes, it's the first centre to attract big name stores and outlets, and he said there will soon be news of more exclusive retailers landing here.

"What has made the Greater Moncton region's success on the retail side is always adding new and unique retailers to the mix," said Pelletier, the agency's manager of investment attraction.

"Now that the playing field is getting a little bit more crowded with Saint John and Fredericton and even Halifax having some of the same retailers we have, we are always looking forward to bringing a unique experience to shoppers."

Pelletier and other representatives of Enterprise Greater Moncton are in Toronto this week selling the region's benefits to over 450 sought-after retailers at the National Convention for the International Council of Shopping Centers.

He said the effects of the recession seem to have receded and retailers are ready to spend money on expanding into new markets again.

And it seems Moncton is on their list.

"The feedback so far is very positive. What we are seeing is that retailers are starting back with their expansion plans that were put on ice a few years ago and I can see that having a direct benefit for Moncton," he said.

"We will have announcements in the next few months of either existing retailers in the region expanding their presence or new retailers."

Pelletier said expansion will notably be taking place at Champlain Place mall in Dieppe, as well as Uptown Dieppe and the Mapleton shopping area.

He can't say what names will be setting up shop in Moncton, but there is one name eager shoppers can cross off their shopping lists - at least for now.

"We're not talking to Ikea," he said with a laugh.

"That's one everybody would like to see but there's no interest (from Ikea) at this point."

So who is on the move to Moncton?

Pelletier said it is up to developers and retail chains to make the specific announcements, but he said Metro Moncton's shopping landscape will soon feature some new draws.

He said there is plenty of expansion in hardware construction stores, pharmacies, sporting goods stores and general merchandise stores, and that should reflect on the new retailers that will be expanding to Moncton in the near future.

Pelletier said Enterprise Greater Moncton targets retailers that are showing signs of expansion, and right now the list of expanding companies is growing.

"We go to retailers that we believe are in expansion mode and hence try to convince them to come to the Maritime provinces," said Pelletier.

"The way we position ourselves is that we have the biggest catchment area, we have the biggest retail sales per capita in the Maritimes, and we have some of the lowest costs per square foot in the Maritimes."

For retail chains thinking about extending their reach to the Maritimes, Moncton is the place they want to be, said Pelletier.

"In most cases people want to be in the Moncton area. It's not the question of one versus the other, it's a question of if we're going to the Maritimes Moncton is a place we want to be, it could be the first of could be the second."

He said Moncton's retail advantage is integrated with its other strengths as a regional centre for the Maritimes.

"It goes with everything else, we're the entertainment hub, we're the distribution and the retail hub, so if someone is planning a weekend somewhere they know there are a couple of niche stores and unique stores in the Greater Moncton area, it makes it easier to convince them to come and spend a weekend here."

He said retailers are also increasingly choosing Moncton as their distribution hub as they expand to other reaches of the Maritimes.

"Not only are we chasing retail opportunities, in many cases companies are expanding in the Maritimes and they also need a distribution location and we're very attractive on that side," said Pelletier, noting Moncton's central location and available space for distribution.

"They open up 10 stores in the Maritimes then say 'we need a distribution centre' and Moncton is well positioned for that."

Pelletier said talk of a new downtown Metro Events Centre could be another catalyst for retail development in the city core.

This is the third year that Enterprise Greater Moncton has participated in the major retail industry event, and Pelletier said it is easier to close deals each time.

He said Moncton's name recognition has grown each year.
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Anyone know what they are building a wooden hut/shelter thingy for on St. George near that used car/boat lot? Drove by yesterday and it was there...

JL
They're putting brick down as well along the ground. That's a popular walk-way for the neibourhood behind there. They're just makin' 'er pretty.
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Historic Mount A library likely to be torn down
Published Thursday October 7th, 2010

Sackville architect says building is an important treasure that should be saved
by Alan Cochrane
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SACKVILLE - The historic Memorial Library building on the campus of Mount Allison University will likely be torn down to make way for a new arts centre.


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The historic Memorial Library building on the campus of Mount Allison University will likely be torn down to make way for a new arts centre.

Mount Allison spokesman Tony Frost said yesterday the university has decided to go ahead with plans to build a new centre for both fine arts and performing arts, but those plans won't include restoring or renovating the library building, which was constructed in 1927 as a memorial to the 73 students and alumni who died in the First World War.

Frost said the building will not be kept in its current form because the cost would add about $5 million to the arts centre project for a total of about $35 million. He said the university does not want to put that extra burden onto future students.

Robert Eaton, a retired architect who has done extensive research on the old library building and championed the cause of saving it, said yesterday he is very disappointed with the decision. He said it might be possible to salvage some of the old building to incorporate into the new centre, but that hardly appeases those who wanted to see it saved.

Eaton said the Memorial Library building is important to Mount Allison because it is an architectural treasure and has been an important part of campus life for decades. It was built in 1927 as a tribute to students and alumni lost during the First World War. It was used as a library and meeting place for many years, until it was replaced by the Ralph Pickard Bell Library in the 1970s. But it had a second life as the university's student centre and pub.

The Memorial Library building was designed by Andrew Randall Cobb, a U.S.-born architect who was educated in Canada, the United States and France. Cobb designed many other buildings in Atlantic Canada, including the historic Central United Church in Downtown Moncton which is now being renovated into the Moncton Peace Centre.

Eaton said a master plan done in 2002 wanted to use all or part of the old library and make it part of the new arts centre.

"They hired Canada's best architect who said that the memorial library was an important building and it would make a great part of the arts centre. The idea was to build the arts centre and use all or part of the old library and make it really interesting as they used part of the old and mixed it with the new, which is what people do today."

Eaton says the design of the Memorial Building "imparts a bold unadorned form with square-pitched roof and strong clean gables. It is built of rugged local red sandstone setting a standard for future university structures. On the upper floor running from one end to the other is the elegant reading room with an arc-vaulted ceiling and large airy windows."

Frost said the plan is to create a new arts centre that will incorporate fine arts and performing arts together under one roof. In the early states of the planning, it was thought that the old Memorial Library building could be incorporated into the new centre. However, he said there are significant structural and electrical issues that would cost too much to overcome. He said planners want to create a building with good acoustics, special lighting and high ceilings for performing arts, and the old building just didn't work with the plan.

At the moment, the old library building is not being used and the plaques paying tribute to students and alumni lost in the wars have been moved to the new student centre on campus where they are more visible.

"We respect memories, but the university needs to consider the needs of future students and we don't want to saddle them with increased costs," Frost said.

But Eaton says there are many other alternatives to the plan that could result in the old library being saved, along with a lot of money. He suggested various additions and renovations to existing buildings that would likely save millions of dollars.

"But they have blinders on. They have their mind set on building this big new building and they're not willing to look at the other alternatives so in the process they are destroying something that I think is valued by alumni," he said.

Personal note: I look at this building and can't help thinking that this will be the fate for Moncton High as well..........
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They're putting brick down as well along the ground. That's a popular walk-way for the neibourhood behind there. They're just makin' 'er pretty.
I believe this is part of Moncton's Active Transportation plan to connect the whole city with trail systems. Which in my opinion, they're doing a fantastic job doing so.

http://www.moncton.ca/Assets/Residents+E...ng/Active+Transportation+ENG/AT+Plan.pdf

http://www.moncton.ca/Residents/Recreati.../Active_Living/Active_Transportation.htm

I've definitely taken advantage of these new trail systems. I bought myself a sweet mt-bike last month with my poker winnings and I'm really enjoying these trails. Actually, I'm really impressed with the work they have done so far.

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I've definitely taken advantage of these new trail systems. I bought myself a sweet mt-bike last month with my poker winnings and I'm really enjoying these trails. Actually, I'm really impressed with the work they have done so far.
I posted these a while back, which show current plans:

http://www.moncton.ca/Assets/Residents+E...tation+ENG/Active+Transportation+map.pdf

http://www.moncton.ca/Assets/Residents+E...ntation+Plan+-+Active+Transportation.pdf

I have reservations on certain choices that are being made, but I agree that Moncton is doing a good job, and I'm glad that they're making efforts and actually following through with real progress (the new bike lanes on Vaughan Harvey being an example).

Biking season is unfortunately already over for me. Maybe a couple more outings.
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Old Posted Oct 8, 2010, 12:48 PM
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An update on Paul St and Highway 15: they have started paving sections of Paul street so there is finally a light at the end of the dust cloud!
Also as of this morning both directions are fully open on highway 15.
It has been a long summer for me as I work on Paul St. and live in Shediac so I'm very much looking forward to not having to deal with construction everyday, although I feel it'll probably be worth the wait (the Paul st. work anyway, I doubt I'll ever use the Scoudouc exit other than to see what is there).
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It looks as if the Continental flight out of Moncton is safe for the time being.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/air-canada-ua-strike-transborder-deal/article1747578/

Revenue will be shared between the US/Canada routes so no reason for AC to want Conti out.
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It looks as if the Continental flight out of Moncton is safe for the time being.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/air-canada-ua-strike-transborder-deal/article1747578/

Revenue will be shared between the US/Canada routes so no reason for AC to want Conti out.
Good news..........I remain hopeful that Continental/United would consider a second cross border route to Boston. With the revenue sharing agreement in place, presumably Air Canada wouldn't stand in their way.

I flew out of GMIA (to Toronto) a couple of weeks ago and noted with interest the new full body scanner in the passenger screening area. It needs more utilization!
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More money for security theatre?
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More money for security theatre?
Given the rather truncated nature of this missive, I presume that you must be texting from a mobile device!
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Moncton High closed over safety concerns
Last Updated: Friday, October 8, 2010 | 3:40 PM AT
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Moncton High School will be closed to staff and students for the rest of the school year. (CBC)

Students and staff at Moncton High School are being moved for the remainder of the school year so officials can assess health and safety concerns at the 75-year-old facility.

Karen Branscombe, the district superintendent, announced on Friday that the city's largest high school would be closed to students and staff.

"We have had more than 240 work orders from this school in the last year and a half and a list of concerns that continues to grow," Branscombe said in a statement.

"Moving staff and students out will allow us to do a thorough assessment and properly address concerns. It's simply more efficient for both those doing the remediation and for those trying to teach and learn."

The school's 1,300 students will remain in the school until the end of the month, when the contingency plans come into force.

The students will be moved to various schools throughout Moncton in two phases.

Grade 11 and 12 students will be sent to Edith Cavell school at the end of October.

To make room for the incoming Moncton High School students, 235 kindergarten to Grade 8 students will transfer to Queen Elizabeth School.

2nd phase of move to begin Nov. 15
The second phase of the contingency plan will roll out on Nov. 15.

At that point, Grade 9 and 10 students will move into the new Northrop Frye School.

The students from Magnetic Hill and Evergreen Park schools, who were supposed to move into Northrop Frye in 2011, will remain at their school.

The school district said the students at Magnetic Hill and Evergreen Park schools "will readjust to operate as two separate schools with some slight changes to class make-up."

The school closed for six days in September after some steel pillars were discovered to be rusting away and work is still being done to deal with mould on the ceilings.

Several teachers later submitted a letter claiming the 75-year-old building is causing them health problems.

The school district, WorkSafeNB, the Department of Education and the Department of Health investigated the teachers' concerns.

A group of 30 parents met on Thursday and expressed concern over what they believe was too much secrecy surrounding the future of the school, which first opened in 1935.



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/new-brunswick/s...ncton-high-closed-247.html#ixzz11nSeV03D
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Given the rather truncated nature of this missive, I presume that you must be texting from a mobile device!
In a sense

By that, I meant that those machines are very expensive, but really don't do much other than offer the appearance of security (hence, security theatre), especially if they're only used on occasion. And they're only as good as the rest of an airport's security and procedures.

Mind you, airport security is well out of this forum's (and my) bailiwick. So that's all I have to say on that.
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Last Updated: Friday, October 8, 2010 | 3:40 PM AT
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Moncton High School will be closed to staff and students for the rest of the school year. (CBC)

Students and staff at Moncton High School are being moved for the remainder of the school year so officials can assess health and safety concerns at the 75-year-old facility.

Karen Branscombe, the district superintendent, announced on Friday that the city's largest high school would be closed to students and staff.

"We have had more than 240 work orders from this school in the last year and a half and a list of concerns that continues to grow," Branscombe said in a statement.

"Moving staff and students out will allow us to do a thorough assessment and properly address concerns. It's simply more efficient for both those doing the remediation and for those trying to teach and learn."

The school's 1,300 students will remain in the school until the end of the month, when the contingency plans come into force.

The students will be moved to various schools throughout Moncton in two phases.

Grade 11 and 12 students will be sent to Edith Cavell school at the end of October.

To make room for the incoming Moncton High School students, 235 kindergarten to Grade 8 students will transfer to Queen Elizabeth School.

2nd phase of move to begin Nov. 15
The second phase of the contingency plan will roll out on Nov. 15.

At that point, Grade 9 and 10 students will move into the new Northrop Frye School.

The students from Magnetic Hill and Evergreen Park schools, who were supposed to move into Northrop Frye in 2011, will remain at their school.

The school district said the students at Magnetic Hill and Evergreen Park schools "will readjust to operate as two separate schools with some slight changes to class make-up."

The school closed for six days in September after some steel pillars were discovered to be rusting away and work is still being done to deal with mould on the ceilings.

Several teachers later submitted a letter claiming the 75-year-old building is causing them health problems.

The school district, WorkSafeNB, the Department of Education and the Department of Health investigated the teachers' concerns.

A group of 30 parents met on Thursday and expressed concern over what they believe was too much secrecy surrounding the future of the school, which first opened in 1935.



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/new-brunswick/s...ncton-high-closed-247.html#ixzz11nSeV03D
MHS poses such a threat to the staff and students, yet they won't all be out until the middle of November? That doesn't pass the smell test.

The problems that have been noted have everything to do with poor maintenance, and not necessarily with the age of the building. Steel columns don't just rust through overnight. How frustrating this must be to the community. There are campuses all across the country older than this that have never been even close to this shape.

It sounds like for whatever reason, the powers that be are trying to scare everyone into demolishing it. Lame.
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I'm not saying the teachers/students are wrong, but problems tend to get overstated when everyone jumps on the bandwagon. My understanding is that a bunch of testing has been done and that the building is technically safe. I really can't see the District trying to perpetrate a conspiracy to undermine everyone's health.

They probably decided that the easiest course of action was to cut their losses and move everybody elsewhere until the myriad issues with MHS could be resolved. As for doing that right away... I shudder to think of the logistics of moving 1400 or so students from two schools, plus opening a new school early, all the new bus routes, etc.

As for lack of maintenance... yes, this is a real shame and probably largely avoidable. However school boards aren't in the business of school upkeep. Maintenance is usually the first thing to get deferred when other expenses eat up tight budgets. I recall reading somewhere that UNB Fredericton has something like 50-100 million in deferred maintenance alone! When you consider the shear number of buildings the district runs, it's really no surprise.

Not to mention, it's politically more popular to build new gyms or IT infrastructure than to spend on 'cosmetic' improvements like removing asbestos.
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Was just passing through downtown and noticed a !!!TOWER CRANE!!going up at the Peacecenter.
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