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Old Posted Sep 28, 2010, 4:59 PM
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It's a shame none of the interior will be able to be saved and it's a shame the tower will only be 450 ft. It would be great if this one could be 500-550 and provide a little variation in the skyline instead of adding to the table-top like appearance as previously mentioned.
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Old Posted Sep 28, 2010, 7:05 PM
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It's a shame none of the interior will be able to be saved and it's a shame the tower will only be 450 ft. It would be great if this one could be 500-550 and provide a little variation in the skyline instead of adding to the table-top like appearance as previously mentioned.
Agreed. If they're not going to save the interior, just let them build the requested height without the heritage facadism. All that will do is muddy the design of the tower. Its not like its an integral part of some heritage streetscape that needs preservation.
     
     
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Its not like its an integral part of some heritage streetscape that needs preservation.
... well, it is the only thing preventing the Marine Building from looking like an orphan.
     
     
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New future proposed for hotel with seedy past

American Hotel may reopen with low-cost housing

By Lori Culbert, Vancouver Sun September 22, 2010


Vancouver's dilapidated American Hotel has been closed since 2006, when its tenants were evicted.
Photograph by: Ian Lindsay, Vancouver Sun, Vancouver Sun


It was once home to notorious drug dealers and some of the city's most vulnerable citizens, but in recent years Vancouver's American Hotel has housed only rats and garbage.

City council, however, will consider a proposal this week to see the dilapidated hotel at Main and Prior Streets converted into 42 low-income, single-room units.

The proposal is controversial with some housing advocates, as only six of the rooms will be rented at the welfare-friendly rate of $400 per month, while the rest will be geared to low-income workers.

However, Coun. Kerry Jang, who hammered out a deal to save the century-old building with its new owner, argues it is better to have six rooms renting near $375 than none.

"Without this agreement there would be no low-income housing at all because it would sit empty, so this is an increase in the stock," he said.

City Hall, which enacted a bylaw in 2003 to try to protect single-occupancy rooms and to avoid demolition of these old hotels, will decide Thursday whether to approve the renovation, which could be completed by January.

The American was raided by police and the owners illegally evicted the tenants before it closed in 2006.

The building's new owner, Steven Lippman of Living Balance in Gastown, recalls the inside of the three-storey building before it was gutted this summer.

"It was full of junk and clothes ... and rats in there. It was pretty bad," said Lippman, who owns other SRO and apartment buildings in the city.

There is a need in Vancouver, where rental availability and affordability are both consistently low, for suites aimed at people who have low-paying jobs, Lippman said.

Jang estimated the rent could be $600 to $800 a month for the other units. The financial reality, the councillor added, is this proposal involves no provincial or municipal funding, making it impossible for the building owner to rent every room at $400.

In comparison, another project expected to be approved by council on Thursday is the conversion of 40 SRO rooms in the boarded-up Pender Hotel into 24 suites rented at $375 per month. The difference, Jang said, is that the Pender is owned by the province and receives government subsidies.

The Carnegie Community Action Project (CCAP) released its third annual housing report Tuesday, noting a drastic decline in the number of Downtown Eastside rooms that still rent for $375. CCAP's Wendy Pedersen panned the American Hotel project, because there are 700 homeless people in the community who need rooms at welfare rates.

"Even though we recognize that the city likely did a great deal of work to finagle the deal," Pedersen said, "this is a dangerous model that the city shouldn't try to replicate."

Jang said CCAP's report is "quite right" that the number of $375 units is declining, but argued to turn that around would require the federal government to get involved and for the province to invest even more than it has already spent renovating SROs.

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Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/future+proposed+hotel+with+seedy+past/3559875/story.html#ixzz10IF9VRh9

any updates on this? did it pass council last week?
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Looks like the Central library will be expanding by quite a bit. Levels 8+9 were leased to the BC Government for a 20yr lease at $1M/yr as the city did not have the money to proceed with the full scale project at the time. The lease is set to expire in 2015 and the city will not be renewing the lease and will turn it over to the library. These will allow the library to expand plus provide public access to the roof top gardens.
Before we get too excited they will have to overcome some insurance issue with allowing public access to a rooftop but I expect that it will become resolved well before then.
Anyone know what the provincial government has on the 8+9th level? It's still early but I imagine they'll start looking for new space in the near future as 43Ksqft is a decent chuck.
     
     
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Looks like the Central library will be expanding by quite a bit. Levels 8+9 were leased to the BC Government for a 20yr lease at $1M/yr as the city did not have the money to proceed with the full scale project at the time. The lease is set to expire in 2015 and the city will not be renewing the lease and will turn it over to the library. These will allow the library to expand plus provide public access to the roof top gardens.
Before we get too excited they will have to overcome some insurance issue with allowing public access to a rooftop but I expect that it will become resolved well before then.
Anyone know what the provincial government has on the 8+9th level? It's still early but I imagine they'll start looking for new space in the near future as 43Ksqft is a decent chuck.
GREAT NEWS!

maybe in the proposed government office building on the QE Plaza site kitty corner to where they are now??
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What about the office tower that the federal government occupies?
     
     
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The Rogers Arena sign is going up (red sign on blue wall) - you can see it on the exterior BC Place webcam.
     
     
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GREAT NEWS!

maybe in the proposed government office building on the QE Plaza site kitty corner to where they are now??
hmmm.....
Since the feds already own the Canada Post site, and there is another rumour that Canada Post wants to open a new main sorting plant at a new site near the airport, I wouldn't be surprised to see them sell this Canada Post block to a developer with a lease-back arrangement.

Canada Post gets their new sorting plant.
Feds get a new tower complex (a-la Bentall Centre) to consolidate staff.
Developer gets a guaranteed investment for 25 , 35, or 50 years from the fed leases.

(Lets be realistic - have the Feds actually reduced their office space in the past? They may reduce the staff count, but rarely do they give up floor space)

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I MISS THE CONSTRUCTION BOOM! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
     
     
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Not really downtown but close enough. Salient Group has another project lined up on Carrall St. Can't confirm for sure which property but a walk along it this morning leads me to believe it's the Boulder Hotel/Pig and Whistle properties. They've been for sale forever and are now off the market.
Paris Block Annex is going ahead next month, prices now start at 370K well above the original attempt which had them priced at 300k.
Just got the card for Paris Annex. Building looks good, but those units sure are long and narrow:
http://thesalientgroup.com/residential/parisannex/features.php
     
     
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Just got the card for Paris Annex. Building looks good, but those units sure are long and narrow:
http://thesalientgroup.com/residential/parisannex/features.php
what s taking so long wht it, the site has been the same way for years
     
     
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If its where I think it is - I have to agree leave the space as is

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Garden will be 'eyesore for 9 months of the year'

West End resident says plan would be waste of rare green space

BY FRANK LUBA, THE PROVINCE SEPTEMBER 30, 2010


Erich Timm likes community gardens -- but not when proposed for one of the few flat patches of grass above Sunset Beach in Vancouver's West End.

"I think it's outrageous," said Timm.

"My taxpayer money is going to be spent on something that is taking a beautiful green space for everybody to a restricted space that is going to be an eyesore for about nine months of the year and is usable by a limited number of people," he said.

The 64-year-old resident of one of the most densely populated areas of the region also objects to how public input on the proposal was solicited -- a single sign in the middle of the grass.

The community garden is only a proposal at this stage because the Vancouver Board of Parks and Recreation is still collecting public input.

The board's contribution to the project is the land itself, a patch of ground that is 30 metres by 30 metres.

Funding of about $30,000 for the project is coming from the YMCA, which got the money from Welcome B.C. -- a joint program of the federal and provincial governments to aid newcomers to the country.

The proposed Sunset Beach community garden is intended to be an "inter-cultural" garden made up of the same demographic as the downtown peninsula -- 60 per cent residents and 40 per cent newcomers to Canada.

Linda Rubuliak of the YMCA said "the idea was to use the garden as a vehicle to build good community relations."

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""My taxpayer money is going to be spent on something that is taking a beautiful green space for everybody to a restricted space that is going to be an eyesore for about nine months of the year and is usable by a limited number of people," he said."

Wow... did not know that Edmonton had almost double the growing season Vancouver has...

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Sounds like there might be some plans coming to light relatively soon for the Pattison Toyota on Hornby - from this week's BIV:

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Mixed-use developments that include condominiums and street-level retail are replacing suburban-style dealership models as densification spreads in urban core
By Andrew Petrozzi

Urban auto dealerships are an endangered species in a city where land is at a premium and densification is the order of the day.

Just as hoteliers found mixed-use developments involving a condominium and/or commercial component is the only economically feasible route to developing a new luxury hotel, auto dealerships are facing many similar challenges.

Some manufacturers, such as the former Vancouver Chrysler dealership on Main Street, have abandoned downtown dealerships altogether, and others, such as Burrard Acura, are being redeveloped into condominiums with street level retail. But dealerships like Kingsway Honda and, in short order, Downtown Toyota, have taken a page from local developers and incorporated auto dealerships into mixed-use developments.

While Coastal Ford, Dueck Downtown and the recently relocated Mini Yaletown have clustered along Terminal Avenue in the False Creek Flats, those dealerships wanting to maintain a presence in the downtown core are looking at becoming just another storefront in an increasingly dense urban core.

“The challenge that dealers face in urban centres is simply this: the value of their real estate in today’s market-based on highest and best use is not automotive,” according to Bill Harbottle, president of the Jim Pattison Auto Group. “If the dealerships had to invest in properties in urban cores today, based on the value per buildable square foot, they could never be profitable.”

The alternative, according to Harbottle, is to look at incorporating a dealership into a larger mixed-use facility where you can achieve much higher density on the site.

“I know with our downtown project [Downtown Toyota], we are doing a fairly significant project there in a co-venture with our neighbours, and it has to involve a number of mixed uses.”

Auto dealerships in major world cities such as London and New York, as well as cities in Japan and Korea, have integrated into mixed-use developments. “You have to vertically integrate, so you have indoor displays, indoor service bays and indoor customer parking.”

According to Harbottle, few dealers are prepared – or able – to proceed with the major development of a mixed-used project. “Most of them are only in the car business and they want to own their real estate. They are not prepared to get into or are knowledgeable about development.”

Harbottle said the Pattison auto group has been working with the City of Vancouver to develop a concept and model for the redevelopment of its Downtown Toyota dealership and would be submitting a formal rezoning package in the next few months.

While he declined to provide details, he did confirm it is “a very large development involving office, residential, retail, day care and automotive.”


No one from Destination Auto Group was available to speak about the mixed-used redevelopment of its Kingsway Honda dealership. However, Russell Acton, a principal with project architect Acton Ostry Architects, said the project was one that its developers speculated could be a North American first and it involved some unique design considerations.

Beside the fire and acoustical separation of the residential component from the showroom and service bays, the unique shape of the property presented some design challenges.

“When we presented this project to the urban design panel, the massing is almost counterintuitive,” he said. “Many would look at it and expect to see the tower element at the corner. Our response was why do we want to put people right where all the street traffic is? That’s a horrendously busy corner. At the same, that’s where we wanted the dealership.”

By moving the tower to the north, “it lessened the structural implications of having excessively massive columns that have to support a tower come up through the showroom. Even though there are still columns in there, it is not as many or as big as if we had a tower. It is very important to use have great visibility for the showroom.”

Acton did confirm his firm has been approached about designing another mixed-use development involving an auto dealership, but he declined to elaborate.

Dealerships that do not relocate to auto malls or areas where city planners permit more traditional suburban-style dealership formats will likely share the same fate as Burrard Acura in Kitsilano.

According to the June 30, 2010, development permit staff committee recommendation report from the City of Vancouver, the dealership, which is owned by the Dilwari Group of Companies, has been approved to be redeveloped into a 10-storey mixed-use building. While there is some street-level retail and three levels of underground parking planned for the primarily residential project, there is no mention of the dealership. A company spokesperson said the Dilwari Group had no comment on the project.

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I'm glad to hear the dealership will be retained in the new development. It's great to just walk a few blocks to get the car serviced, though the current building is a dump.
     
     
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^I think the downtown Toyota site was identified in a recent city or perhaps provincial document as one of about 4 sites that would be suitable for a very tall building. Can't remember which thread this came up in, but I think it was in context of a discussion on a suitable site to go beyond viewcones and height limits and increased FSR. Anybody have more detail?
     
     
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^I think the downtown Toyota site was identified in a recent city or perhaps provincial document as one of about 4 sites that would be suitable for a very tall building. Can't remember which thread this came up in, but I think it was in context of a discussion on a suitable site to go beyond viewcones and height limits and increased FSR. Anybody have more detail?
In the end, the city declared that it would not allow "taller" buildings on those sites. Our architectural overseers are making sure their precious viewcones remain uncontaminated with architecture. It's for our own good.
     
     
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Sounds like there might be some plans coming to light relatively soon for the Pattison Toyota on Hornby - from this week's BIV:
Isn't the showroom in the main building on Burrard & Drake?

The Hornby side of the block has nothing on it of significance from Drake to Davie (unless you want to keep the 7-11). The two remaining old houses have no context to the rest of the block, but someone might want to barge them over to one of the islands (if they haven't been vandalized & stripped already).

Makes sense now why Pattison bought the dealership - for its land, but I don't recall him being a developer of his dealership sites. I thought his other dealerships were closed down & the land sold to other developers, but he owned those dealerships for decades & rode the increasing land values, unlike Downtown Toyota that I believe he bought only a few years ago.

I wonder if the Aquarium store on Burrard is part of the land package?
If not, it will be difficult to develop such a small parcel between the condos mid-block and the new Pattison development.
     
     
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