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Old Posted Sep 12, 2010, 10:54 PM
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I have been using Google Street View and Halifax has a very interesting downtown. I have modeled a few Halifax area buildings over the past few days using Google SketchUp (Sir Charles Tupper Building, Summer Gardens Tower and Metro Parking lot - a poor attempt). The thing that really strikes me is that Halifax has a very interesting downtown which is made up of interesting newer towers and older buildings. It is very compact which gives it a bigger city feel than it would have otherwise.

To make a long point short - I hope that these various proposals will go ahead and that more residential buildings will be built in downtown Halifax. This will keep the downtown as a vibrant area. My viewpoint - pack more buildings in downtown Halifax since it makes for a very impressive downtown core.
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lol, you've just entered the matrix.


just kidding, but you now understand how this stuff is being presented to the reader in halifax who isn't as enlightened as you.

Downtown residential is presented here as assumed to be negative... even though it is clearly vital for the revitalization of areas where readers of this stuff come from. This is where you know that they are against development and change in halifax. Its tied to the "sustainability" argument, that downtown can't support all of this development... even though its not the same situation as when past developments flooded the market with office space. People need to live downtown, and its part of the reason we've seen streets like Barrington die. Although many companies on Barrington were also victims of their own industries, revitalization will happen with renovated buildings and new businesses.

This article makes the assumption that housing isn't a continuously growing phenomenon in cities with non-Detriot situations. Well in Halifax, we are actually hurting our downtown because we are constantly building farther and farther away. Tim doesn't take into account that maybe if we built all this residential that the Nova Centre would be much more likely given the shift in where people will live and go to work.

Thus, the article was really underlying obstructism mystified in assumed thruths.
VERY well said, and exactly what I was thinking when I read his article.

It BOGGLES MY F'ING MIND that he purports to be "green", and actively pursues an agenda that minimizes density in the central core. W. T. F???
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2010, 5:13 PM
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He's more anti-business than green. Basically, if you're not poor, you're a member of the "elite" to be viewed with suspicion. Development and construction are evil because they make money for elites somewhere.

If you want a depressing read, go here: http://www.thecoast.ca/halifax/we-are-poor/Content?oid=1789108

The editorial is entitled "We Are Poor" and is about how futile it is for NS to try to maintain a real economy.

The Coast was kind of similar 5-10 years ago (Bruce Wark editorials and so on) but I don't remember it being that shrill and negative. It seems like even Tim Bousquet has personally gone farther and farther into left field recently.
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2010, 7:17 PM
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He's more anti-business than green.
True... but he purports to be green so that he can wrap it up in a nicer package and make it seem trendy.

I had at least some amount of respect for Wark (even if I didn't always agree with him), but none for Bousquet. The worst part is that it has permeated the whole paper. It would be one thing if his personal viewpoint were limited to his own pieces, since he is entitled to his opinion. But the paper reads these days as if there is one and only one opinion that is valid.

It used to be that I enjoyed the Coast of a source of multiple alternative viewpoints, as a counter-point to the CH. Instead it now has turned "alternative" into a single opposing viewpoint with that viewpoint mandated from above. At that point it is no better than the CH, and no more interesting to read.

I get no feeling at all that a dissenting view to Bousquet would be tolerated or published, which is sad.
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2010, 7:35 PM
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What continues to allow Tim to voice these opinions is that very few; if anyone challenges them.

We have an editorial writer out here in Calgary called Rick Bell. His articles give me the shivers and whenever I see him I just get disgusted. He twists everything to be sensationalism.

Some of the stuff he posted about the Plan It Calgary exercise sent me through the roof and yet he still thinks I want to talk to him if I'm at city council - yeah I'd rather die (which is what I'm doing at home today with this cold; but I digress).

One of things that's been happening more and more here lately is that administration is writing letters of response and they aren't hiding their names. Mac Logan, head of transportation took a good swipe at Rick recently, Mary Axworthy who is the head of the Policy Planning Section has too and I believe our GM David Watson has as well. This is a great time for people in planning (managers I'd say) tack a few minutes and write a well written response and tack a good swipe at time and come out fighting.
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I think he is suffering from a case of clinical depression. He is always dark and pessimistic even outside of his Coast articles.
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Old Posted Sep 14, 2010, 1:06 AM
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VERY well said, and exactly what I was thinking when I read his article.

It BOGGLES MY F'ING MIND that he purports to be "green", and actively pursues an agenda that minimizes density in the central core. W. T. F???
I KNOW! The worst part is alot of the hippie kids and "green" folks take this stuff as fact!

Its bizarre how the heritage nuts have used this to their advantage because there is some overlap between their circles.

And the whole "anti-business" concept is rediculous. Good business and regulation are the keys to prosperity. Supposed developing nations are kicking ass and they aren't sitting on their hands when it comes to development, even if some of the tactics aren't democratic. We are losing out if we don't build this trade centre.
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Old Posted Sep 14, 2010, 1:53 AM
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I KNOW! The worst part is alot of the hippie kids and "green" folks take this stuff as fact!

Its bizarre how the heritage nuts have used this to their advantage because there is some overlap between their circles.

And the whole "anti-business" concept is rediculous. Good business and regulation are the keys to prosperity. Supposed developing nations are kicking ass and they aren't sitting on their hands when it comes to development, even if some of the tactics aren't democratic. We are losing out if we don't build this trade centre.
It may have gotten them an advantage for now - but I'm getting a sense that the tide seems to be changing. Yes; unfortunately the economic tide was bad for Waterside and Twisted Sisters is waiting the market return as well - but some seriously different and modern buildings have been approved in downtown.

I really get an impression that more and more; commerce/developers and just citizens (as a whole) are getting fed up with Halifax being locked into this 'small town' mentality. I've said it before and I'd be more than happy to say it to a room for Tim/HT-esk people: Unless you are going to sit at every entry point to HRM and turn them around; you cannot stop people from moving to HRM. More and more people are hearing great things about HRM, visiting and deciding to move there. Hell; I have coworkers come to me all the time about Halifax asking me places to stay and what to visit. Last year; 3 people asked me those questions, this year - 8. Despite what they think; Halifax's reputation is growing and improving and it's causing more attention from business too.

Nova Centre (in whatever form it takes) will kick up that attention even move. It will put the city on the next level of conventions; it will also say to business we're open and ready. What people in HRM need to realize (as much as the HT people don't want to accept it) is that HRM is moving from a small city to a nice growing mid-size city. This attracts more business (usually - not less); more people; more service in terms of transportation (flights, perhaps rail?) and more tourism...more everything. There desperately needs to be a realization that not all development is bad and it IS part of the economic development of the region.
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Old Posted Sep 14, 2010, 3:12 AM
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To some degree there are always flaky people against everything. They exist here in Vancouver, in Manhattan, etc.

I do think though, as I've mentioned before, that Halifax is getting a little better because it's bigger and more connected to the rest of the world. People are also getting more accustomed to change and growth, whether they know it or not.
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2010, 9:17 PM
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From today's Chronicle Herald Online...

Dexter government close to decision on new convention centre

By DAVID JACKSON Provincial Reporter
Thu, Sep 23 - 4:20 PM

The Dexter government’s decision on a new convention centre for downtown Halifax may or may not come by next week.

Transportation and Infrastructure Renewal Minister Bill Estabrooks has his mind made up, and expected a cabinet decision by the end of the month.

He said today that he’s not sure that will happen.

“Whether we’re able as cabinet and a government to meet that deadline or not is yet to be determined,” Estabrooks said after a cabinet meeting.

He said he is still collecting opinions on the project, which would occupy the old Chronicle Herald space on Argyle Street in Halifax.

The NDP caucus heard a presentation about the proposal on Wednesday, and cabinet looked at it Thursday.

Estabrooks said he wants to get more information on the project out to the public, but wasn’t clear how that would happen, or whether it would come before or after government’s decision.

He said there could be open houses with some of his advisers, but he doesn’t know when.

Premier Darrell Dexter said the government is doing its analysis, and must be satisfied with all the data.

“Whether it is this week, or next week, or a month from now, it will be a well-considered decision,” Dexter said.

Dexter said the public would expect due diligence on a project that could be in the $500-million range.

The publicly funded convention centre portion is expected to be a third of that or less, but the entire proposal from developer Rank Inc. includes a privately-funded hotel and office space.
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For now we are stuck with this. Photo by me taken from the 6th floor of 1718 Argyle St.
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2010, 10:53 PM
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We should take that and send it out as a Christmas Card from the Heritage trust lol.
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2010, 11:08 PM
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I hope this won't become a new Halifax iconic image - a hole in the ground. (it's not how I feel about Halifax)
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2010, 11:44 PM
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Someone should e-mail him this link about the convention center.
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2010, 12:05 AM
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The suspense is killing me... I can't read this NDP government.

I think we would definitely get the federal funding given the nature of the proposal compared to others.

Does our government realize that if we don't seize this opportunity, another municipality will... and it may be for projects that don't even meet the criteria. We cannot be idle!!!

Our municipal leaders need to view every other city as a competitor... so far we are losing to Moncton this week. WTF?

This article is an interesting read.

Strings entangle stadium funding

A proposed new stadium to house the Saskatchewan Roughriders could end up in private sector hands as a condition of the provincial government's application for financial assistance from Ottawa, Saskatchewan Party cabinet minister Ken Cheveldayoff said Tuesday.

The government has applied to the federal government's P3 Canada Fund for up to 25 per cent of the funding for a proposed $431-million retractable roof stadium in Regina.

That fund is intended to provide funding for public private partnership (P3) or alternative financing and procurement (AFP) projects.

The "minimum requirements" to access funding is that the private sector must either design or build the project. The private sector must also either finance or maintain and operate the facility.

Cheveldayoff said all aspects of the project -- including ownership -- are on the table.

"Conceptually we've talked to private sector groups about the design, about the build, about owning it, about financing it and about operating it and we've had positive response from the private sector in each of those areas," said Cheveldayoff, who has been tasked by Premier Brad Wall to shepherd the stadium project.

"If somebody came in and said they wanted to own it and operate it, that's something we would look at very favourably but it remains to be seen," he added, noting it would also be possible that a company could take a smaller equity stake in a new facility.

The current home of the community-owned Roughriders, Mosaic Stadium, is owned and operated by the City of Regina.

Mayor Pat Fiacco is on holidays and was not available for comment.

The provincial government has made federal funding a prerequisite for a new stadium to get the go-ahead.

But the issue of federal funding for facilities that house professional sports teams has erupted into a national issue in recent weeks as Quebec has pressed the Conservative government to cover 45 per cent of the cost of a new arena to return the NHL to Quebec City, with no private-sector component.

While the two projects have been linked by no less than Prime Minister Stephen Harper, they are seemingly taking different paths.

The P3 Canada Fund -- which has $1.2 billion to allocate over five years -- will only pay for a maximum of 25 per cent of direct construction costs. The criterion for funding sports facilities includes that it "excludes facilities used primarily by professional athletes."

Cheveldayoff said the stadium proposal shows the Roughriders' potential usage of the facility as lesser than its use as a community recreation and entertainment facility.

One potential major stumbling block, however, is timing.

The province wants an answer from the federal government this fall, but that timeline appears very unlikely to be met through the P3 Canada Fund.

Saskatchewan applied under round two of funding, which had a June 30 deadline.

But the first round of funding through federal Crown corporation PPP Canada saw applications from 20 projects submitted in the fall of 2008. So far, only two have been allocated funding while others remain under review.

Saskatchewan's stadium proposal meanwhile remains under preliminary assessment. If it qualifies for a comprehensive assessment, PPP Canada will then ask for more information, including a business case for the project.

Cheveldayoff said the provincial government is prepared to supply whatever information is needed when it is asked, but it is still hoping for an answer this fall.

"Time is of the essence. Our feasibility study was done in March of this year and they only have a shelf life of so long, so that's why we're relying on our members of parliament and ministers to get that answer for us," he said.

Cheveldayoff also noted that while the P3 Fund appears to be a "logical fit" for Saskatchewan, the province is also looking for other potential sources of federal funding, which could make the outcome of the Quebec situation very relevant.

Cynthia Robertson, executive director of the Toronto-based Canadian Council for Public-Private Partnerships advocacy group, said that the P3 Fund is not a pork-barrel fund determined by the lobbying of politicians.

"From where I sit, absolutely not," she said in an interview.

"They are very much merit-based. I think what they'll finance will be based on the number of projects they receive and the impacts the program will have and looking at revenue sources. They have to look at all sorts of things in terms of evaluating those kinds of projects," she added.

Projects must be approved for recommendation first by a board made up of high-profile former corporate heads and civil servants. A project with a dollar figure the size of Saskatchewan's would need to be signed off on by the federal ministers of finance and transport -- and by the Treasury Board as well if it exceeded $100 million.

P3s are designed to transfer some financial risk associated with major projects from the public sector to the private sector, while also creating business opportunities.

Proponents such as Robertson say that P3s can offer the advantages of coupling private-sector innovation with more disciplined and transparent procurement and accountability systems on the private-sector partners.

But P3s have also been controversial, with opponents, such as the Canadian Union of Public Employees, arguing they are more subject to cost overrun and often leave the taxpayer on the hook for private-sector mismanagement.

CUPE Saskatchewan president Tom Graham said Tuesday he's concerned about the idea of a new Regina stadium being run as a P3.

"If we're building a stadium and the private sector wants to get involved, then they should get the money together and once they've got the lion's share of the cash they should approach government ... the other alternative is, if we want one that badly, we should pay for it and I don't know if people want to spend half a billion dollars on a football stadium or not."



Read more: http://www.leaderpost.com/sports/Strings+entangle+stadium+funding/3560354/story.html#ixzz10Ou2065W
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2010, 2:12 AM
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there are reports in allnovascotia that Parks Canada has written a letter to the government requesting a redesign of Nova Centre.

Hopefully someone can put their hands on the letter to see if the person is creditable.
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2010, 2:16 AM
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Hmm... this sounds fishy, I am now certain there must be an STV or HT person working for Parks Canada in Halifax, using their position to try and influence the process.

There was some mention in the YMCA development of a similar letter or something.

I don't think anything should be admissable at this point... its not like the developer can randomly throw in evidence now.
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2010, 3:29 AM
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Parks Canada shouldn't have any say in this.
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2010, 11:31 AM
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Parks Canada shouldn't have any say in this.
They own the lands nearby, it would be no different if you were a property owner.

That said, they have view plane protection so i am not sure what else they can get or need to have.

In the end their voice will probably be slide under the mat.
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2010, 11:33 AM
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there are reports in allnovascotia that Parks Canada has written a letter to the government requesting a redesign of Nova Centre.

Hopefully someone can put their hands on the letter to see if the person is creditable.
yeah I read that this morning and almost spat my coffee at the screen.
Where the hell do people get off saying that developers should not do things that are within the development rules. If developers wanted to violate the viewplanes then the HT folks would have a fit. So why the hell do they think they should be able to say that buildings that don't block the viewplans shouldn't be built. They want to have things both ways. ARG!!!!!
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