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Old Posted May 31, 2010, 11:39 PM
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I still think the scale and concept of the building is fine, but talk about the complete wrong way to go about it!

What do they expect to accomplish by saying things like this? -

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When asked what would happen if someone purchased a ninth-floor unit if the building height is ultimately capped at, for example, eight storeys, Mr. Edwards began criticizing the community opponents of the project as out to “grind personal axes.”
I could understand that maybe by the OSEG about those in the Glebe (although even then it would not be constructive to the process), but here when the process has only just begun?
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Old Posted May 31, 2010, 11:49 PM
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As long as all concerned - developer, prospective purchasers, and the City are all agreed that the pre-sales are irrelevant to the consideration of the merits of the re-zoning application, I'm not sure what the problem is.
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Old Posted May 31, 2010, 11:59 PM
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Assuming all concerned parties do feel that way, then there is no impact to the application. It is still wrong in the context of disrupting the lives of the prospective purchasers, who may have passed up other options for a project that will not proceed as they believed was planned.

Although my real issue is more with the attitude of the developper more than this practice.

Edit: I see you mentioned the purchasers. I think its unlikely that every purchaser would in fact be fully aware of the planning process, especially since this is a different way of going about things than normal.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2010, 2:49 PM
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I don't have a big problem if a developer wants to put something out to see if there is interest, but they probably should not be taking deposits as they have no idea what they exactly what they will be allowed to build or what it will look like.

Furthermore, since they are not building anything anytime soon, what exactly would a deposit be for? The developer isn't really spending any money building anything yet. If someone walks basically we are still at the "ow well" stage.

I think what they should be doing is letting people reserve units under the understanding that the units may not be how they presently appear, they may not even exist at all and assuming it does get approved a deposit will be required shortly after or reservations will be canceled and the reserved unit opened back up first come, first get.

It just comes down to be up front with people by saying this one is still a big "maybe" at this point.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2010, 3:15 PM
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Doing pre-sales before getting your major rezoning or OPA is sometimes done, but I've heard a developer complain about other developers doing that because it hurts their reputation... GOHBA also seems to feel the same way based on that article . If it's something like a few variances needed it's not that bad, but a full doubling of the height? Your chances of planning approval are considerably less. Consider that for a subdivision I believe you need at least draft approval before you can start offering lots for sale.

Technically their deposit is in a trust so they don't lose their money, but there is an opportunity cost for purchasers.

Good luck starting construction by Spring 2011

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Old Posted Jul 31, 2010, 1:12 PM
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By way of update, it's been a couple of months now since the City received an application. Apparently it's still stuck in deficiencies. The City notified residents of the development application, but it never went up on DevApp because a complete application was never received. Now, we're being told it's "on hold". The CA has had to go back to the City to ask them to notify those residents who received notice of the application of the current status. We don't know what remaining deficiencies there are with the application, but apparently it's something more than an undotted i.

I note that the presentation centre is open now by appointment only and not with regular hours. I wonder what those who have put down a deposit are being told?
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2010, 2:07 AM
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This project has apparently been cancelled.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2010, 2:17 PM
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This project has apparently been cancelled.
I think that's all she wrote:

http://www.obj.ca/Real-Estate/Reside...minium-plans/1
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2010, 8:56 PM
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Congrats, Nimby.
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Old Posted Sep 21, 2010, 12:28 PM
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@Luker: I think the HCA had some valid concerns and objections to this project, and their support past and present for a number of other (superior) project proposals clearly puts the lie to your lazy drive-by. Have you explained why you think this proposal was so great? A "Build absolutely anything everywhere" attitude is just as obnoxious as a NIMBY-BANANA attitude.
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Congrats, Nimby.
I'm far from the most active Hintonburg resident, but from what my more active neighbors have told me this proposal had some very serious problems. It's not a simple case of NIMBY-ism.
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2010, 1:08 AM
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Congrats, Nimby.
Luker, I'd love to say the community took this project down, but in this case it appears the developer was his own worst enemy.

We posted a letter to our site sent by the developer to those who had put down a deposit. They've said they're looking to buy the adjacent property to do the development on a bigger scale. At the same time, though, we've heard they're shopping the project around to real developers. It's hard to imagine that these "vision" guys are actually ever going to get a shovel in the ground. You've got to figure they've burned some bridges with their approach, and now with another spectacular high-profile failure on their hands. Hopefully they sell and we can start dealing with professionals again.
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2011, 11:17 AM
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Parkdale Attika | 18 fl |Approved

My apolgies if this proposal has already been mentioned in another thread. if it is , I can not seem to find it.

Anyways another proposal for a tall building to rival the Soho Italia project, but with a Greek name. What thinkest thou?

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By Joanne Chianello, Ottawa CitizenJune 4, 2011 4:08 AM

They want to build it 36 storeys high and call it Attika.

Tega Homes is proposing a two-building development at the northwest corner of Parkdale Avenue and Armstrong Street in Hintonburg. One of those buildings would be a 36-storey tower that, if approved, would be the tallest building in the city, with some spectacular views of the Ottawa River and the Gatineau Hills.

The name is a sentimental suggestion by Tega's Greek-born CEO, Spyros Dimitrakopoulos. Attica is the province where Athens is located, but the boss's colleagues convinced him to change the "c" to a "k" so as to distance it from the infamous prison, not the usual association one looks for in a luxury condo development.

The Ottawa home builder is working with the property owner, who controls the entire block except for one small parcel: the corner occupied by the popular Carleton Tavern. Beer lovers can rest easy, however, as there are no plans to remove or redevelop the tavern. Instead, the 300,000 square-foot development is being planned around the Carleton Tavern, which, with a skinny soaring tower behind it, promises to become a true historic quirk in the quickly intensifying and gentrifying neighbourhood.

But whether it will be built as currently designed is far from settled.

Local residents aren't too happy with the height -which is more than four times the current eight-storey limit -and local politicians are questioning the validity of the developer's demands for more sellable space.

The issue is one of contamination.

The land under the site is chock full of VOCs -volatile organic compounds -at exponentially higher levels than provincial guidelines allow, due to a no-longer-used light industrial building that has been there for decades.

Tega is proposing to undertake the daunting task of cleaning up the contamination, which has spread beyond the site and under neighbouring homes. According to an independent appraisal, decontamination will take eight or nine months and require excavating 18 metres of bedrock and collecting and treating the groundwater. Even after the project is completed, a mechanism will have to be put in place to handle any residual contamination in the groundwater.

All this will cost $12 million.

The city has a "brownfield" program to help cover the costs of cleaning up contaminated land. The city is prepared to pay half of the expenses or, in this case, $6 million. But Tega says that for the development to be economically viable with the cleanup costs, it needs 50-percent more sellable space than called for in a recently approved local design plan.

In other words, instead of 200,000 square feet, Tega requires 300,000.

It's this assertion by Tega that Councillor Peter Hume isn't buying, characterizing it as an issue that is altogether separate from heights.

"We are prepared to put money on the table to provide an incentive to get builders to develop brownfields -and it's not an insignificant contribution," said Hume, who chairs council's planning committee. "Now they're saying we have to give them more density for doing the right thing?"


Hume pointed out that the fact the land was contaminated would have been built into the land's cost. He added that other developers have been able to build on previously contaminated land without asking for huge increases in sellable floor space.

"I don't want to send a signal that if you're going to clean up a site, we're going to let you build a 30-or 40-storey building," said Hume. "That's not a justification for more density."

As the proposed development is near both the Tunney's Pasture transit station and the federal government complex of the same name, it falls under the city's guidelines for intensification. Hume, who chairs council's planning committee, agreed that there are good reasons to zone it for more than the called for eight storeys.

But most are finding 36 storeys hard to swallow.

The company met with some members of the community on Thursday night and said the exchange was cordial and that residents "asked some very intelligent questions," but admitted that the locals were not in support of the record-setting height.

The proposed condo development, designed by architect David Blakely, would sit on a two-storey podium that would house retail shops and perhaps a restaurant. There'd be a six-level underground garage, seeing as Tega would have dug that huge hole for the decontamination, which would allow one parking spot for each of the planned 286 units.

An eight-storey building is planned for the western side of the site, while the 36-storey tower would sit on the eastern edge, along Parkdale. With a floorplate of about 7,000 square feet, the highrise would be relatively slender. There would be some open space between the two residential buildings.

This design was the third go-round with city planners, said Dimitrakopoulos. Tega originally proposed shorter, but broader, structures. City staff preferred a thinner, taller building that would let more light and air through the structure, as well as cast a narrower shadow on neighbouring properties.

Tega is also prepared to donate a "community benefit" for the extra height. Dimitrakopoulos is suggesting $500,000 in subsidies to artists who might be interested in using third-floor condos as residences and studios.

"In case that doesn't work out, we're prepared to offer the money directly toward another community benefit," said the company CEO.

But already, Kitchissippi Councillor Katherine Hobbs is saying that isn't nearly enough money.

"We will be seeking a significant community benefit," she said Friday from Victoria, B.C. "I would think we'd be looking for at least $1 million."

Hobbs suggested the money could go toward establishing the Hintonburg Hub, a project to bring medical and social services, as well as affordable housing, under one roof. But she added that there are too many issues still to be worked out to make any definitive statements.

"Right now I don't know what to think about the 36 storeys," said Hobbs. "I think it's high, that's for sure."

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Old Posted Jun 4, 2011, 12:03 PM
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That's awfully ambitious on Tega's part. They've primarily been limited to low-rise condo buildings and high-end townhomes. Given their design output, I'm a little concerned.
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2011, 12:21 PM
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36 floors seems a little high for that area.
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2011, 12:53 PM
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I'm normally the first one on here to cheer height, height, height, but this proposal sounds a bit bizarre and out of place for the area.
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2011, 1:07 PM
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if it was the northwest corner of Parkdale and Scott, (and part of a plan to develop the whole west side of Parkdale) I might be okay with this, but 36 stories on Parkdale behind the Carleton is reediculous!
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they're tearing down the carleton?? one of the few bars where my dad had some wild nights as a young man and so did I when I was a young man haha. i think it's a good location for that kind of height...there's already some high profile in Tunny's and there a few midrise and highrise residentials in the area. it could anchor a nice little area of high density. so many crappy blocks in hintonburg, it could use some serious gentrification in the form of new build and infill...not much to work with in the old buildings.
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2011, 1:17 PM
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Without seeing the actual design render, I'll reserve judgement, but I do tend to agree that Tega Homes is not the builder I'd choose for a new highest. They are better known for non-descript low rises like Centropolis. Given that they weren't able to put together a full block land assembly for the project leads me to think that they don't really have the chops for it as well.
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2011, 1:33 PM
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they're tearing down the carleton??
The article says that the Carleton stays
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