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Old Posted Sep 19, 2010, 8:19 PM
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Dartmouth Crossing (DX) and Bedford Highway

Dartmouth Crossing's (DX) bus issues could be resolved by building a transit terminal near the Empire movie theatre - which would allow express bus service straight to DX and have collector routes routed throughout DX and Burnside. They should try to aim for 15 minute frequency in the daytime and 30 minutes at night.

If demand is low at first, they could start out with small Metrox-style buses (but with conventional Metro Transit decals), and roll on bigger buses as demand rises, unless if its already high, where large buses would be used right away.

The terminal would be designed for large buses right off the bat - to limit the need for a sudden overhaul if demand spikes.

DX might not be transit friendly, however, the transit system can be adapted to serve it well. It's just a matter of convincing the politicians to make it happen. I hope my editorial gets read can causes some change. HRM needs to face the reality that the fastest growth is in the suburbs (due to shortcomings in downtown's abilities to serve business under our current economic system), and move to acheive a balanced road-transit system to mitigate negative effects of urban sprawl whilst keeping the city liveable for everyone, regardless if they're urban, suburban, exurban, or rural.

I have recently suggested that strips of land be set aside along the 107 Burnside extension for bus lanes on both the inside and outside edges of each direction of the new highway well before the road reaches its ultimate width (inside lane for express buses, and an outside lane for more localized buses that provide service at each of the interchanges along the way).

It might make sense to build those lanes now, on top of the already planned 2general through lanes in each direction. Also, they should widen Glendale to provide two through lanes in each direction, plus a third lane on the outside edge for buses in each direction and have a median wide enough to accomodate inside-edge bus lanes whenever they may be needed, and also have all traffic signals converted to roundabouts.

The middle lane on the entire 3-lane portion of Bedford highway should be made into a reversible bus/HOV lane now, while having left turns diverted into right-hand, signalized U-turn lanes (aka New Jersey Jughandle ramps), or have roundabouts built along the way at the existing signals. Overhead signs on the reversible lane could be made to show a white diamond for the bus HOV lane, while still showing a red "X" to the opposite direction. The entire 2-lane portion of the Bedford Hwy should be widened to 3 lanes to allow for extension of the reversible bus/HOV lane. Alternatively, if it's determined that the buses need to be on the right-hand edge (chances are that they will need to be on the outside), then the white diamond would be shown over the right-most lane in the peak direction. The white diamond will be shown on the right side in the direction its going, with a green arrow over the centre lane, with a red X on the far left. During transistion periods, the white diamond will be raplaced with a green arrow, while the centre lane's green arrow would be replaced with a YELLOW downward diagonal "move right" arrow (similar to what happens on the Macdonald Bridge) for 15 minutes before showing the red X, while the centre lane would go to a green arrow in the other direction, followed by a while diamond being shown on the other outside edge.

Consideration should be given to making the centre lane on the Macdonald a bus/HOV lane, which should have been done when they 3-laned it in the last decade, along with making all of North Street a 3-lane road (centre lane for buses and HOV in the peak direction). In the AM, the centre lane on North would be eastbound, while it would be westbound in the PM, or have it set to ingress traffic toward Robie in the AM and egress away from Robie in the PM, which would allow Robie to act as a second bridge access route for buses and HOV's (I have already suggested such lanes to HRM for all of Robie between the Willow Tree and Massachusetts and the Bayers/Young corridor). That would entice more people to park in Dartmouth and board buses at the new Bridge Terminal, or pool together into HOV's during rush hour. This would fix the problem of buses not meeting their schedules.

Ultimately, HRM sould prepare to widen Bedford Highway to 5 lanes within the next 10 years, although, I would suggest setting aside an ultimate RoW for six lanes, but with reversing capability. Like it or not, even under the most sustainable scenario, this road WILL need to be widened (ultimate maximum width of 6 lanes with moveable jersey barrier, plus sidewalks), even with Larry Uteck Boulevard built. Lanes on the widened road would be reversed to favour the peak direction, and the peak direction would have at least 1 bus/HOV lane. First, a bus/HOV lane would be on the outside edge, with the second one being added on the inside edge if the peak direction needs a second bus/HOV lane. If both general and bus/HOV traffic in the peak direction jams, bus/HOV gets priority for a new lane, otherwise, the road would simply add general lanes. Less cars stuck in traffic = less pollution. The Off-peak direction could be reduced to a single lane if possible, but only if buses and HOVs can be merged in with general traffic WITHOUT getting held up, othewise the off-peak direction would have one bus/HOV lane on the outside edge with a general lane on the adjacent inner lane with all other lanes going the other way (this is in both the 5-lane and 6-lane scenarios). This coupled be done with or without a moveable median barrier. The existing 4-lane Bedford Highway south of MSVU could also be made reversible, but only up to the Fairview Overpass.

Some may cry "urban sprawl", but that is mitigated by proper land-use planning and zoning bylaws and sustainable real-estate pricing (which the is NOT the case with the current real-estate pricing system), not by jamming roads. Also, HRM's policy of trying to elevate prices in the urban core of Halifax and Dartmouth, to the point of unaffordablity, is a recipe for more mass urban sprawl out to more affordable areas like Sackville, Fall River and Eastern Passage - where many DND employees now reside as a result of expensive real-estate prices in the urban core and this is also a surefire recipe for an economic disaster - similar to how Dubai bankrupted itself 6 months ago due to overbuilding its business and residential infrastructure before it could even be paid off. It's bad enough they are allowing a developer to build King's Wharf in Dartmouth as a high-priced development, when a nearby condo that was built last year could not even fill itself yet because of its unaffordable, expensive prices. The key to getting people to live in balanced communities (transit and car friendly, whilst being walkable) is to make them EASILY affordable, NOT expensive - otherwise you WILL continue to see more DX's, Burnsides, Sackvilles, and Eastern Passages built at a high rate. Make the new urban-core developments affordable and the people will come, otherwise, forget about densifying the city. Again, I reiterate that Halifax will end up bankrupt like Dubai if it does not get a grip on this problem. This may sound extreme, but I'm already hearing indications all across the board of impending mass budget shortfalls once the stimulus spending stops next year, and the economic forecasts for Canada overall are souring pretty quickly. The prices of many of our goods and services are entering a "bubble" stage that is set to burst fairly soon (heightened prices followed by a dramatic drop once demand collapses, similar to what happened to the price of oil/barrel in July of 2008, where it peaked at $147, and then fell all the way to only $35 once demand plummeted).

Good to see that Atlantic Acres has a bus now. HRM should focus on improving transit inside of the urban and suburban areas, prior to doing the rural areas (except for the airport, which is needed).
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Old Posted Sep 19, 2010, 8:55 PM
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^There are so many things I could say to that post ... the most important being it would be physically impossible to widen the Bedford Highway to anything more than three lanes in most areas (two lanes in some areas).

Personally I'd say widen the Bi-Hi prior to doing any widening on local streets with consideration given to installing more interchanges.
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Old Posted Sep 19, 2010, 9:17 PM
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^There are so many things I could say to that post ... the most important being it would be physically impossible to widen the Bedford Highway to anything more than three lanes in most areas (two lanes in some areas).

Personally I'd say widen the Bi-Hi prior to doing any widening on local streets with consideration given to installing more interchanges.
I looks like several properties would need to be expropriated. It certainly would be a good idea to support growth along the Bedford Basin close to Halifax but what would be the cost?
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Old Posted Sep 19, 2010, 9:35 PM
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I looks like several properties would need to be expropriated. It certainly would be a good idea to support growth along the Bedford Basin close to Halifax but what would be the cost?
Enormous to say the least.

A three lane reversing road would be acceptable from Windsor Street Ex to Hammonds Plains but after that it would get overly expensive.

As I said before they should install a couple more interchanges on the highways before widening the entire road. For exmaple one for the Bypass up off of Rocky Lake Drive would decrease the truck traffic going through Sunnyside.
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Old Posted Sep 19, 2010, 9:37 PM
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The cost?

Bedford Highway's RoW would have to be widened, forcing property expropriation, but the negative effects of this would be offset by the denser development that would result from such a widening.

Bedford Highway would be able to handle high-density development, which it has a difficult time doing now as a two-lane road. The 102 is meant to be an urban regional commuter highway, not a urban arterial, while beford Highway is an urban arterial, so we should plan to keep it that way. Otherwise, the 102 will get clogged up earlier than it should be, along with having more sprawl along the 102 as a result of the unnecessarily constricted Bedford Highway.
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Old Posted Sep 19, 2010, 9:58 PM
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A three lane reversing road would be acceptable from Windsor Street Ex to Hammonds Plains but after that it would get overly expensive.
This would make a lot of sense to me. Perhaps even go wider and encourage denser population along the Bedford Highway.

I think most people on this forum would agree that focusing growth within a small urban area would be the best for the municipality as far as keeping transit and other infrastructure cost down. The HRM also seems to recognize it but has conflicting objectives (denser growth but in low rise buildings).
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Old Posted Sep 19, 2010, 11:59 PM
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Regarding Dartmouth Crossing, I think the recent change to the route 72 through that area has significantly improved the situation within the shopping area, however it could still benefit significantly from some sort of a dedicated shuttle-type service with decent frequencies within DC.
Perhaps the future transit terminal at Wright and John Savage will make that a better possibility, with better connections to DC.

I still think it's rediculous though that the only two routes that service DC both originate from the eastern Dartmouth area. If you want to get to DC from Halifax, you're potentially looking at a couple of transfers. I don't know why the route 56 when it was first introduced did not service the Bridge Terminal to DC.
Well actually I do, it was to link Mic Mac and Penhorn malls with DC...but there still needs to be some sort of Bridge to DC connection.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2010, 12:39 AM
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^Hopefully you'll agree with me that a Bedford - Bridge bus is much more urgently needed than a DC - Bridge bus.
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Both are strongly needed. Bedford needs an Express Bus for starters. As well, standard routes that go throughout the town would be a good addition. A lot of people think Bedford residents wouldn't ride the buses. They would if they were given a bus that actually took them where they needed to go in decent time.
A Bridge-DC bus will be even more useful if a terminal goes into the crossing.(Worst case the John savage one could be used) Dartmouth Crossing is terribly pedestrian unfriendly. If a terminal was built, connector buses could bring passengers in from various other terminals and then return. What would then be needed is a loop bus that leaves the terminal and travels throughout the area covering all the shopping hubs and then returning to start trip again. Similar to the 8 Waterfront. On top of that more shelters are needed at the stops. It's a shame that people who take mass transit would have to stand out in rain and snow for periods of time while shopping.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2010, 10:25 PM
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^Hopefully you'll agree with me that a Bedford - Bridge bus is much more urgently needed than a DC - Bridge bus.
Hopefully you'll agree that both are needed, and that trying to pit one under-serviced corridor against another is useless.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2010, 10:45 PM
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Hopefully you'll agree that both are needed, and that trying to pit one under-serviced corridor against another is useless.
Not when one obviously has priority over another ... Hmm should the money go to a big-box retail area designed for personal vehicles placed outside of town, or should it go to a 20'000 population community that is part of urban Halifax and has its best route at a 1.5-2 hour bus ride to downtown?

Hopefully you'll agree that when your home community has gotten the short end of the stick in regards to transit for decades you have to compare it to other areas otherwise nothing will ever get done ...
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2010, 11:41 PM
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BTW sorry if I seem very grumpy lately. It's because of the damn HRM traffic department. I've been dealing with them for years now and particularily this summer because of the close calls and petition. I have a certain name for them that I will not post here but brainless bureaucrats covers some of the problems with them. After hearing the first-hand stories of cycling accidents and certain HRM worker's lack of care for almost everyone it just fustrated me to the point where I'll curse them every chance I get. I thought they were making bad decisions because of lack of data available to them however I was terribly wrong. I spent a month out on the streets collecting data so they could make informed decisions and now they won't even take 30 seconds of their time to email me back saying they got the data and will look at it when they get the chance. There have been some nice people around HRM that have tried to help me get their attention but unfortunately the handful of people that have all of the power refuse to listen to citizens and in some cases even elected officials! Anyways before I get into a massive rant detailing why certain people in the Traffic Department deserve to get run over by the dangerous traffic situation they have created I will stop and end with this.

If any HRM workers read this forum do your citizens a favour. Go barge into Patrick Doyle's office and demand that he do his job (which is to create a community that is safe and efficient for all modes of transportation)!

I'm currently writing my second email to Mayor Kelly (he didnt respond to the first one, surprising eh!), and I'm also writing to Patrick Doyle to give him a chance to correct the mess he has made before I go further and demand displinary action (hell I could probably sue him for knowingly putting many people's lifes in danger)!

BTW if either Tim or Hanita happen to read this post don't worry I have no complaints about you guys. You've treated me with respect and even done more than I could of ever imagined with offering to meet, presenting the petition, responding to my report and many other things over the last couple of months. If the rest of HRM was like you we'd be on fast track to Paradise (not literally like what I did of course).

Anyways I'm going to stop here and go for a walk around the block. Hopefully when I get back I won't feel like I'm on fire. The hot air in HRM's Traffic Department and the steam coming out of my ears right now could cause global warming all by themselves.

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That's the problem when you hire a cheap person/people to run something. Instead of thinking about the majority of people, it is always about a minority, or something that isn't as meaningful when there are bigger problems.
We really need a sackville-bedford-Bayers lake-Dartmouth crossing type bus, could go into where sobeys is in bedford, out to bayers lake, back to bedford, out to cobequid then to dartmouth crossing and back, or something like that.
There is nothing in sackville to shop at besides sobeys and super store. It is probably getting close to 40,000 people who use the sackville area on a regular basis, right to uppersackville/parts of mt uniacke and out to beaverbank.
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Just to throw this out there the planning case for the new Lacewood Terminal also includes a new Park 'N Ride at the Northwest Arm Drive/Highway 102 Interchange.
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Just to throw this out there the planning case for the new Lacewood Terminal also includes a new Park 'N Ride at the Northwest Arm Drive/Highway 102 Interchange.
Is this currently being built or is it a proposal? Is the Park N Ride facility close to the terminal? I have heard of this terminal but I don't know any details. How does it compare in size to the newly proposed Dartmouth Commons terminal?
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Is this currently being built or is it a proposal? Is the Park N Ride facility close to the terminal? I have heard of this terminal but I don't know any details. How does it compare in size to the newly proposed Dartmouth Commons terminal?
Case 16029 Details

Both the terminal and the Park 'N Ride are still being proposed. The terminal is on Willett Street near Lacewood and the P N' R is on Northwest Arm Drive at Highway 102.

Theres no renderings up but I imagine the terminal will be large but not nearly as large as the new Bridge Terminal.

For in-towners there a PIM on October 7th (7pm at Halifax West).
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Bids for transit terminal $4m higher than expected


Bids for a proposed Metro Transit project in Dartmouth are almost $4 million higher than the development’s estimated cost, say a municipal spokeswoman.

Kathleen Cameron, with Halifax Re gional Municipality, said Thursday two bids for the planned bus terminal replace ment behind the Sportsplex came in re cently at roughly $13.4 million each.

The project’s proposed cost is $9.5 mil lion.

Municipal staff “will take time to eval uate the bids before they do anything," Cameron said.

In June, regional council voted over whelmingly for the planned development.

The vote, following a lengthy public hearing and council debate, was to autho rize land-use amendments so the project could proceed. Council voted 20-3 in support of amendments to Dartmouth’s municipal planning strategy.

According to staff, the Dartmouth termi nal is the busiest in metro but has out grown its usefulness. It cannot accommo date future growth in bus traffic.

It also can’t serve disabled transit users, the hearing was told. As well, there are safety concerns in terms of loading and unloading bus passengers.

The replacement project is part of Metro Transit’s five-year plan, a blueprint that includes a number of new terminals throughout the municipality.

“Construction of this terminal on the site proposed is one of the most important infrastructure improvements required by Metro Transit," said a May municipal report.

The two received bids are on the munic ipality’s website. One is slightly more than $13.4 million; the other came in at more than $13.3 million Municipal staff plan to contact the bid ders “to look at this and verify the cost before (the) next steps are outlined," Cameron said.

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Old Posted Sep 24, 2010, 11:17 PM
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Wow, surprised the bid costs went up so much.
Material costs have been low the past few years; they can't have spiked that much?
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Wow, surprised the bid costs went up so much.
Material costs have been low the past few years; they can't have spiked that much?
There is considerable suspicion that contractors (both building and paving/infrastructure types) collude to set prices artificially high on HRM projects. I seem to recall that last year there was a summit conference of sorts where HRM higher-ups met with the major contractors to try and influence them into bidding more competitively. Obviously that worked well.
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Hmm interesting. Should go public with it then; because that's just not right.
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