NEW YORK | One World Trade Center | 1,776' Pinnacle / 1,373' Roof | 108 FLOORS

[Zensteeldude]

Nope, nothing to do with it.

There are NO floors in the tower numbered 7 through 19, the floor count goes from 6 to 20. There are also no floors numbered 94 through 99, the floor count goes from 93 to 100. (I Thought my post made that clear)

Let's see, 20 through 88 are office floors the sky lobby only takes up one side of the 64th floor.

There are only 94 actual floors in the tower, and the 105th floor is not actually a floor, it's the roof.

Add to that the fact that Tower One is self contained, all the mechanical equipment the tower needs is in the tower, the original towers had a central chiller plant that freed up alot of floor space.

Also, Tower One is a "Green Building" virtually every drop of rain that falls on it is collected and stored, for the cooling system and "Grey water" use. Those storage tanks take up room. Not to mention the 8 emergancy genorators etc. The electrical swith gear alone takes up 2 mechanical floors.

This is old, the tower has progressed well beyond this but note the floor count, 2,3,4,5 then 6 then 20 ! I think I still have a pic on my flicker stream of a print that shows the exact same thing.


In the future, save time, just search my posts for an answer, if it ain't there just ask me.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35124796@N04/

PS: Though the full scale set of prints was shreaded I still have a half scale set of prints for the entire Tower in my safe at home.

[Traynor]

^ That seems like a non-answer to me.

Either the floors exist and there is something on them or they don't and the numbering of floors is exaggerated. If the latter is the case then I could say that the top floor of my four floor walk-up is the 75th floor. I have a first and second floor but floors 3-73 are not numbered and then there is 74 and 75.

You see how that explanation makes no sense.

If there are spaces that roughly equate to a floor and take up vertical space, then they must have something on them, even if they are mostly empty. For example: Saying there are no numbered floors 7-19 or 94-99, is not an explanation. Do they exist but are not accessible to the public or is the 20th floor actually the 7th floor and the 100th then actually the 81st floor?

Furthermore a cross section of WTC 2 has no such waste of floors. Does that building not require all that space for chillers and such as well?

[robk1982]

Originally Posted by Traynor

^ That seems like a non-answer to me.

Either the floors exist and there is something on them or they don't and the numbering of floors is exaggerated. If the latter is the case then I could say that the top floor of my four floor walk-up is the 75th floor. I have a first and second floor but floors 3-73 are not numbered and then there is 74 and 75.

You see how that explanation makes no sense.

It would make some sense if the first two stories of your house were as tall as an "average" 73 story building. Now, compare the heights for the "20th floor" (as labeled) of the 1WTC with the 20th floor (as labeled) of any other skyscraper and tell us what you find.

[JACKinBeantown]

By my count there are currently 29 floors above ground. But I've learned not to question it because people get too defensive for some reason. Many buildings don't have a 13th floor. Some buildings in Asia skip floor numbers with "8" in them, so a 100 story building would have 81 actual floors. It's a similar story. Just count the floors you see when the building is topped out and go with what makes you happy.

[Tadd]

Originally Posted by Traynor

^
they don't and the numbering of floors is exaggerated. If the latter is the case then I could say that the top floor of my four floor walk-up is the 75th floor. I have a first and second floor but floors 3-73 are not numbered and then there is 74 and 75.

From what I've read, I think you have it. There a many buildings without a 13th floor. They just decided to delete a few extra around 13, just to be safe?

Seriously, I would make a guess that they are trying to represent the height above ground using the floor number, perhaps as an aid to secure proper value in real-estate offerings. The bottom hundred+ feet are not filled with floor space like one would think. Calling the 7th actual floor "7" would, perhaps, only bring 7th floor value, instead of what one would expect for office space at the 200' level.

[QuarterMileSidewalk]

^That's an excellent point. It's the equivalent height of the 20th floor on any other office tower, so just call it the 20th. Likewise, you couldn't get away with calling an office floor only, say, 50 ft above grade the 20th, because it's just not comparable to the 20th floor of any other building. The mechanicals, however, are not for rent/sale/lease, so it doesn't matter how they are numbered. It's always about money!

[uaarkson]

We've been through all this before; several times in fact. The bottom line is that they can and will number the floors however the hell they want. The tower is currently at ~400 ft., is that not simple enough? I really can't understand why people get so obsessive over floor counts when it's a well known fact that floor count is —.

[patriotizzy]

Originally Posted by uaarkson

We've been through all this before; several times in fact. The bottom line is that they can and will number the floors however the hell they want. The tower is currently at ~400 ft., is that not simple enough? I really can't understand why people get so obsessive over floor counts when it's a well known fact that floor count is —.

It's a nice conversation in my opinion, even though I don't actually participate in it.

[Traynor]

Originally Posted by uaarkson

We've been through all this before; several times in fact. The bottom line is that they can and will number the floors however the hell they want. The tower is currently at ~400 ft., is that not simple enough? I really can't understand why people get so obsessive over floor counts when it's a well known fact that floor count is —.

I don't care about floor count.

I want to know what is in all that empty space. I am fine with floors not being accessible to the public, but they are still floors if an air conditioning mechanic can walk in them. Some service guy doesn't just appear on one of those mechanical mezzanines without pressing a button on a service elevator somewhere in the building. And he has to know what level he's going to, so there must be a button marked "Level 12 - Water Pump Room" or something.

Because if what you guys are telling me is that the 20th floor is called that because it is equal to any other building's 20th floor AND there are no floors between 6 an 20 THEN logic dictates the ceiling height for the 6th floor space is 200 feet. Do you understand how you guys are explaining this?

I think you mean to be saying that there are floors in between but they are only accessible to service people.

So, all I was asking in the first place is what could possible occupy nearly 30 floors of a commercial building that isn't rentable? I don't buy the rainwater/air conditioning answer.

[winlinmac001]

Now that's more like it. Very interesting indeed. Thanks a lot.
It appears Tower 2 will show a little bit of Tower 1 from behind as Tower 2 is slightly facing the memorial (if I'm not mistaken)
The progress is exciting. 5-6 years as Larry Silverstein stated better be definite. =p

Originally Posted by nycdagreatest

well theirs always Google Earth

thanks to Sebastian S. for the great model of the world trade center.

Do you have any visuals / renderings of this? I can't seem to view the pictures you posted on this thread earlier.

Originally Posted by CalibratedZeus

I was pretty curious too so I plotted out the planned layout of all the towers on a Google sat image and laid out some lines to see where views would be obstructed and where they would be best...



Red is pretty much totally blocked by one of the three other towers, and yellow is a partial obstruction. The green areas are all free and clear, and from the looks of it the green area in the southeast corner (Bottom-right of the photo) will turn out to have the best views of all the towers together.

None of this takes into account any tower currently there, like WTC 7 is sure to have an effect from viewers in the north-east, as well as the Goldman-Sachs building and World-Financial building to the west, north-west (although due to their height they have nowhere near the impact on the view that the other three planned towers would have).


Oh yeah, and I re-did my progress image, fixed the base and everything (the first time I did it I thought all the steel was squared and equidistant, turned out to not be the case when I looked again after) for up to the 16th office floor, which is where we currently have steel going in for.

[You Need A Thneed]

Originally Posted by Traynor

I don't care about floor count.

I want to know what is in all that empty space. I am fine with floors not being accessible to the public, but they are still floors if an air conditioning mechanic can walk in them. Some service guy doesn't just appear on one of those mechanical mezzanines without pressing a button on a service elevator somewhere in the building. And he has to know what level he's going to, so there must be a button marked "Level 12 - Water Pump Room" or something.

Because if what you guys are telling me is that the 20th floor is called that because it is equal to any other building's 20th floor AND there are no floors between 6 an 20 THEN logic dictates the ceiling height for the 6th floor space is 200 feet. Do you understand how you guys are explaining this?

I think you mean to be saying that there are floors in between but they are only accessible to service people.

So, all I was asking in the first place is what could possible occupy nearly 30 floors of a commercial building that isn't rentable? I don't buy the rainwater/air conditioning answer.

There isn't 30 floors of space though. There is the tall lobby, then 5 mechanical floors (each taller than regular office floors, then the first office floor is called the 20th floor.

Mechanical, Electrical, Water Storage, Power Generation (backup), elevator mechanicals, Phone Systems, Alarm Systems, Broadcast equipment etc. - together take up a whole lot of space, easily 10 floors in a building like this, which is about what is allotted for it. In many buildings, they put quite a bit of that equipment in the basement, but for various reasons, at the WTC site, they don't have room for it & otherwise can't put it there.

[Rizzo]

Originally Posted by JACKinNYC

By my count there are currently 29 floors above ground. But I've learned not to question it because people get too defensive for some reason. Many buildings don't have a 13th floor. Some buildings in Asia skip floor numbers with "8" in them, so a 100 story building would have 81 actual floors. It's a similar story. Just count the floors you see when the building is topped out and go with what makes you happy.

Lol, sounds like my apartment building with floors 10, 11, 12a, 12b, 14

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Traynor

I want to know what is in all that empty space. I am fine with floors not being accessible to the public, but they are still floors if an air conditioning mechanic can walk in them. Some service guy doesn't just appear on one of those mechanical mezzanines without pressing a button on a service elevator somewhere in the building. And he has to know what level he's going to, so there must be a button marked "Level 12 - Water Pump Room" or something.

Because if what you guys are telling me is that the 20th floor is called that because it is equal to any other building's 20th floor .

See 7 WTC. Beyond that, the building was designed as it is for security purposes as well as practical. Had the tower been moved to the opposite side of Greenwich (like the other towers) and away from the highway, there would have been no podium "bunker". There's really not much more you need to know about it. Contact someone at the Port Authority for info if its that much of an issue.

[NYguy]

Seems there's only good news for the tower these days.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/re...eyes_space_at_wtc_mgxhdVIkdfYdUGCBsaj3mM
BofA eyes space at 1 WTC

By STEVE CUOZZO
August 24, 2010

Believe it or not, Bank of America — having comfortably settled into its grand new tower at 1 Bryant Park — is on the prowl for up to 1 million square feet more of office space in Manhattan.

And that could spell more good news for 1 World Trade Center, the supertall, and suddenly superhot, Ground Zero tower now under construction by the Port Authority.

Condé Nast recently signed a letter of intent with the PA for about 1 million square feet in the 2.6 million square-foot skyscraper, and this column last month broke the news that Bank of NY Mellon is at least taking a good look at it.

Now, we’ve learned, BofA has requests for proposals out with landlords both in Midtown and downtown to replace roughly 1 million square feet it has in some older buildings including 1185 Sixth Ave. and 114 West 47th St., where leases expire in a few years.

Sources said the bank prefers at least half of its relocation space to be at a newly minted address with features similar to those at 1 Bryant Park, which it co-owns with Douglas Durst — i.e., LEED-certified environmental design, advanced electronic technology and relatively column-free floor plates.

In Midtown, the only suitable location would seem to be 11 Times Square, where 500,000 feet remain up for grabs.

Downtown, only 1 WTC (in which Durst now holds a minority stake) is in fullbore construction for completion in 2013. Larry Silverstein’s 4 WTC could offer comparably modern space, but construction above a six-story base awaits completion of a financing agreement between him and the PA.

In other words, after years of being derided in certain quarters, 1 WTC is the hottest game in town.

The tower’s Cushman & Wakefield leasing team led by vice-chairman Tara Stacom — 1 WTC’s agent since 2007, whom we ridiculously managed to chop out of last week’s item about the project — would seem to be sitting pretty with the Condé Nast term-sheet in hand.

BofA has tapped a Stacomled Cushman & Wakefield team including John Cushman, Mitch Konsker and Melissa Bazar to handle its Midtown search, and Jones Lang LaSalle’s John Ryan and Mike Shenot to explore downtown.

Stacom declined to comment and Ryan did not return a call.

Meanwhile, BoNY, repped by JLL’s Peter Riguardi, is known to crave a new headquarters that would bring the venerable bank’s image into the modern age — which its longtime home at beautiful but obsolescent 1 Wall Street can’t do. Again, 1 WTC would seem to fit the bill. Riguardi declined to comment other than to note that BoNY is looking at other locations as well.

But, what about two widely reported government “leases” at 1 WTC that have yet to be signed—the US General Services Administration and the New York State Offices of General Services for a total 1 million square feet?

With Condé Nast apparently headed for a deal and two great banks kicking the tires, you can’t help ask why the world’s most important new office building should devote 40 percent of its space to government agencies.

A GSA lease might make sense. But the OGS, which handles such crucial missions as providing parking for employees of a nearbroke Albany?

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

Webcam update:



A few weeks later, it's going to be too tall for the cam if they don't jump it up.

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Seems there's only good news for the tower these days.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/re...eyes_space_at_wtc_mgxhdVIkdfYdUGCBsaj3mM
BofA eyes space at 1 WTC

By STEVE CUOZZO
August 24, 2010

they just built a tower and now they need more space....AWESOME!!! lets build BofA tower 2!

[Innsertnamehere]

or get them into wtc 2 0r 3....

[uakoops]

Originally Posted by You Need A Thneed

There isn't 30 floors of space though. There is the tall lobby, then 5 mechanical floors (each taller than regular office floors, then the first office floor is called the 20th floor.

Mechanical, Electrical, Water Storage, Power Generation (backup), elevator mechanicals, Phone Systems, Alarm Systems, Broadcast equipment etc. - together take up a whole lot of space, easily 10 floors in a building like this, which is about what is allotted for it. In many buildings, they put quite a bit of that equipment in the basement, but for various reasons, at the WTC site, they don't have room for it & otherwise can't put it there.

There are actually 9 mech floors if you count the mezzanines. Each "full" floor is twice the height of a standard floor, and the mezzanines are only partial floorplates (to leave room for larger equipment). So you have the lobby, which itself is over 60 feet high, then 2M, 3, 3M, 4, 4M, 5, 5M, 6, 6M, then 20 which is the first office floor. Zen has a diagram further up this page that should make it clear.

[brian.odonnell20]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

or get them into wtc 2 0r 3....

yea .

[winlinmac001]

I bet JP Morgan Chase is still interested.