YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 148

Gordon · #**2941** Posted **Aug 18, 2010, 6:53 PM**

The routesonline link

says there are 4 underserved rougtes at YvR and 19 Userved routes at YVR

I wonder what they are?

twoNeurons · #**2942** Posted **Aug 18, 2010, 8:49 PM**

Anyone care to list them?

trofirhen · #**2943** Posted **Aug 18, 2010, 10:47 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon

The routesonline link

says there are 4 underserved rougtes at YvR and 19 Userved routes at YVR

I wonder what they are?

*** Sorry. Something changed since I posted it. I kept the original in my files and copied and pasted them here.
They're listed below.

trofirhen · #**2944** Posted **Aug 18, 2010, 10:55 PM**

CPH (Copenhagen Airport) - Unserved Route
TXL (Berlin Airports) - Unserved Route
(Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority) - Unserved Route
BWI (Baltimore-Washington International Airport) - Unserved Route
DXB (Dubai International Airport) - Unserved Route
SGN (Ho Chi Minh City) - Unserved Route
KUL (KL International Airport) - Unserved Route
XSP (Singapore Seletar) - Unserved Route
BKK (Bangkok) - Unserved Route
BNE (Brisbane Airport) - Unserved Route
MEL (Melbourne Airport) - Unserved Route
CAN (Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport) - Unserved Route
DEL (Delhi) - Unserved Route
KIX (Osaka Kansai International Airport) - Unserved Route
PHL (Philadelphia) - Unserved Route
SMF (Sacramento Internat) - Unserved Route
BOS (Boston Logan International Airport) - Unserved Route
MIA (Miami International Airport) - Unserved Route
MCO (Orlando International) - Unserved Route

trofirhen · #**2945** Posted **Aug 18, 2010, 10:57 PM**

PIK (Glasgow Prestwick Airport) - Under Served Route
MAN (Manchester Airport) - Under Served Route
ZRH (Zurich Airport) - Under Served Route
CDG (Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport) - Under Served Route

trofirhen · #**2946** Posted **Aug 18, 2010, 11:02 PM**

Don't know about anyone else, but I'd love to see them ALL get full service. That would put YVR squarely in the airport forefront. Of course, that's highly unlikely. If we walk away with 2 or 3 we'll be lucky.

Gordon · #**2947** Posted **Aug 19, 2010, 4:38 AM**

IAD Dulles has been a Summer route over the last few Summers.

Alaska tried Sacramento for a couple of Summers then discontinued it.

Could San Francisco (SFO) be considered under served since Alaska backed out a couple a years ago?

Hourglass · #**2948** Posted **Aug 19, 2010, 5:39 AM**

Why Berlin Tegel and not Munich? Munich is a Lufthansa / Star Alliance hub and handles far more passengers than Berlin. I also have doubts about Kuala Lumpur, given Malaysian Airlines' troubles. Maybe Air Asia X could take up the route, though.

A few of the US cities are probably seasonal routes to coincide with the cruise season.

I can't see some of the cities on this list being viable for YVR, unfortunately -- at least not now.

trofirhen · #**2949** Posted **Aug 19, 2010, 9:27 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Why Berlin Tegel and not Munich? Munich is a Lufthansa / Star Alliance hub and handles far more passengers than Berlin. I also have doubts about Kuala Lumpur, given Malaysian Airlines' troubles. Maybe Air Asia X could take up the route, though.

A few of the US cities are probably seasonal routes to coincide with the cruise season.

I can't see some of the cities on this list being viable for YVR, unfortunately -- at least not now.

Why Berlin Tegel and not Munich? My question exactly. Doesn't make sense, does it? ....... on second thought, maybe it's because Zurich is close to Munich, and Zurich is a major transfer hub. In which case, Berlin would possibly be a jumping-off point for flights to Eastern Europe (Poland, Russia, etc)

trofirhen · #**2950** Posted **Aug 19, 2010, 11:31 AM**

From "Routes Online" which I subscribe to, there is a special (noted above) feature on the upcoming World Routes Forum at YVR in September.

I have tried to put the links of the attending airlines here. Hope it works, ladies and gentlemen .....

http://www.routesonline.com/events/123/t...forum-/attending-delegates/airlines/all/

twoNeurons · #**2951** Posted **Aug 19, 2010, 6:23 PM**

Realistically, I can see these being possible:

TXL (Berlin Airports) - Unserved Route
(Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority) - Unserved Route
BWI (Baltimore-Washington International Airport) - Unserved Route
DXB (Dubai International Airport) - Unserved Route
SGN (Ho Chi Minh City) - Unserved Route
KUL (KL International Airport) - Unserved Route
XSP (Singapore Seletar) - Unserved Route
BKK (Bangkok) - Unserved Route
CAN (Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport) - Unserved Route
DEL (Delhi) - Unserved Route
BOS (Boston Logan International Airport) - Unserved Route
MIA (Miami International Airport) - Unserved Route
MCO (Orlando International) - Unserved Route
ZRH (Zurich Airport) - Under Served Route
CDG (Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport) - Under Served Route

Some, because of support from local immigrants, some because they're hubs.

trofirhen · #**2952** Posted **Aug 19, 2010, 6:28 PM**

I think you're pretty accurate. However, it may interest you to know that on the site "airport shop," CPH was actually seeking a link to Vancouver, (which Air Canada just picked up - out of Toronto, of course)

On second thought, I think I'd add Brisbane, too, as a hub for Australian cities other than Sydney.

Gordon · #**2953** Posted **Aug 19, 2010, 6:34 PM**

The list of possible attendee airlines does not include Air Canada. they should be there as Canada's flag carrier & YVR's largest carrier.

twoNeurons · #**2954** Posted **Aug 19, 2010, 7:03 PM**

twoNeurons · #**2955** Posted **Aug 19, 2010, 7:08 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I think you're pretty accurate. However, it may interest you to know that on the site "airport shop," CPH was actually seeking a link to Vancouver, (which Air Canada just picked up - out of Toronto, of course)

On second thought, I think I'd add Brisbane, too, as a hub for Australian cities other than Sydney.

Lots of Danes want to come to Vancouver, perhaps?

Actually, I think BC should put more effort into advertising in Germany. German tourists love the outdoors and direct flights from Berlin or Munich would certainly help the tourism industry.

Interestingly, Air Berlin flies to YVR. I'm assuming they don't do YVR-TXL then... and opt for Frankfurt.

EDIT:

Air Berlin's flights are via Dusseldorf

trofirhen · #**2956** Posted **Aug 19, 2010, 7:22 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Lots of Danes want to come to Vancouver, perhaps?

Not so much that. There is a large Scandinavian population in Vancouver and BC, and Kastrup is the transfer point for all other cities in Scandinavia: Stockholm, Oslo, Bergen, Göteborg, Uppsala, Trondheim ...... as well as flights into Finland (and I doubt Finnair has the resources to add Vancouver to its list; it's just not big enough, and I believe it already flies to Seattle)

Otherwise stated, the Vancouver - Scandinavia traffic volumes, while not mega-huge, are respectable, which is probably why Copenhagen Airport was seeking a link to Vancouver.

phesto · #**2957** Posted **Aug 19, 2010, 7:28 PM**

As Gordon touched on, a lot of the unserved US routes have been tried, usually as seasonal service, then cancelled. The lack of business traffic really weakens the case for a lot of east coast US destinations.

I could see Philly, Boston or Dulles service potentially again in the future though.

I never really understood the Sacremento service. Likewise, a non-stop to BWI doesn't seem warranted. Though it would have served me well when I lived there for a few years...

trofirhen · #**2958** Posted **Aug 19, 2010, 7:30 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by phesto

As Gordon touched on, a lot of the unserved US routes have been tried, usually as seasonal service, then cancelled. The lack of business traffic really weakens the case for a lot of east coast US destinations.

I could see Philly, Boston or Dulles service potentially again in the future though.

I never really understood the Sacremento service. Likewise, a non-stop to BWI doesn't seem warranted. Though it would have served me well when I lived there for a few years...

Let's face it; Vancouver just isn't a BIG enough city to support all these routes. In ten years, it'll be another story.

whatnext · #**2959** Posted **Aug 19, 2010, 8:52 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by phesto

As Gordon touched on, a lot of the unserved US routes have been tried, usually as seasonal service, then cancelled. The lack of business traffic really weakens the case for a lot of east coast US destinations.

I could see Philly, Boston or Dulles service potentially again in the future though.

I never really understood the Sacremento service. Likewise, a non-stop to BWI doesn't seem warranted. Though it would have served me well when I lived there for a few years...

Air Canada served MIA, SMF, MEL and KIX at various times from YVR. One can assume it wasn't profitable or they'd still be flying there. And no other carrier has rushed in to fill the void.

I flew MIA-YVR once, which had to be one of the longest transcons in history. It was an A319 and even then had to be weight restricted.

trofirhen · #**2960** Posted **Aug 19, 2010, 9:02 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by phesto

As Gordon touched on, a lot of the unserved US routes have been tried, usually as seasonal service, then cancelled.

I never really understood the Sacremento service.

There used to be a twice - daily nonstop to San Jose on American Airlines. then the flights continued on to LAX. Similarly, though, I guess it wasn't profitable. Same thing with Sacramento. Easier to fly in and out of SFO.