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Old Posted Jul 24, 2010, 1:08 AM
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wait now im lost what Time warner center towers?Manhattan West?
Time Warner Center-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Warner_Center

Manhattan West-http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=127297
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i dont see the resemblance
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Both versions are what's on the table now. That's so Vornado can have flexibility in finding a tenant. So whatever version get's built will depend on who signs for space, and the amount.
ah i got it, thanks for the explanation. me personally, i couldn't decide which version is better, they both look good.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2010, 8:28 PM
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^ I'm not decided on a favorite yet. I do like the shorter version slightly better, because of the sheer wall on 7th. However, the taller version sits centered on a podium, similar to the ESB. The design of the taller version also extends to the top of the facade.

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i dont see the resemblance
You're not supposed to see a resemblance. When Related talked of building a "Time Warner Center on a grander scale", it was a reference to a mixed use, 2-towered development with retail at the base. That's what they built at Columbus Circle, and the MSG development would have been virtually the same thing, only on a larger scale.
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You're not supposed to see a resemblance. When Related talked of building a "Time Warner Center on a grander scale", it was a reference to a mixed use, 2-towered development with retail at the base. That's what they built at Columbus Circle, and the MSG development would have been virtually the same thing, only on a larger scale.[/QUOTE]

o, lol i thought you meant design wise,sorry
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2010, 3:27 PM
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This will be settled by early September...

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This will be settled by early September...

not for nothing but we have to do something about the approval process,it takes all to long...
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2010, 1:25 AM
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not for nothing but we have to do something about the approval process,it takes all to long...
It's long, but I think it's ok to take time. Most of these developments don't start soon after approval anyway.
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This article discusses tenants currently looking for very large blocks of space. Many more will come to the market in the next few years, as many large leases will expire soon. One of these likely will anchor 15 Penn Plaze and one will anchor Foster's 2WTC.

http://therealdeal.com/newyork/artic...mighty-hunters
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This article discusses tenants currently looking for very large blocks of space. Many more will come to the market in the next few years, as many large leases will expire soon. One of these likely will anchor 15 Penn Plaze and one will anchor Foster's 2WTC.

http://therealdeal.com/newyork/artic...mighty-hunters
RobertWalpole, please repost that last link. It appears to have been chopped down in size and is a dead link as a result. Thanks!
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2010, 7:16 PM
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Here's the article from Therealdeal.net:

In the office market, mighty hunters
August 01, 2010 12:00PM

By Adam Pincus




Bank of America. Morgan Stanley. Condé Nast. These are the companies leading the pack when it comes to searching for large blocks of Manhattan office space.

Yet they have plenty of company.

In fact, real estate insiders say there are more large tenants on the hunt for Manhattan space -- and also signing deals -- this year than there were a year ago.

The reasons are manifold, brokers say. First off, the improved economy, while not necessarily firing on all cylinders, has provided tenants with just enough confidence to take advantage of the weakened market conditions.

Indeed, as of last month effective rents were down 38 percent from their July 2008 peak to an average of $42.65 per square foot, Cushman & Wakefield statistics showed. In addition, a wave of lease expirations looms on the horizon.

While there is no public record of which tenants are actively seeking space, The Real Deal asked sources at each of the major commercial firms -- all of which keep their own proprietary lists of tenants that are in the market -- and found that at least 16 tenants are eyeing space of 300,000 square feet or more. (Brokers cautioned, however, that it is impossible to produce a fully comprehensive list because some tenants are looking for space quietly and don't want their searches to be publicly known.) And most of the firms officially declined to comment, citing confidentiality agreements with tenants.

Still, not only are large tenants on the hunt for space, they also signed a higher percentage of deals in the second quarter than they did in the same period in 2009. This year, almost 15 percent of the total square footage leased from April to June in Midtown was for leases above 100,000 square feet, according to statistics from Cushman.

That's up from just under 7 percent of the Midtown deals last year.

A large number of the assignments identified by The Real Deal are held by brokers at Cushman. They represented seven of the tenants, for a total of as much as 3.5 million square feet, according to the survey. One of the assignments, for financial and accounting firm Deloitte, is being handled by vice chairmen Mitti Liebersohn and John Cefaly, who was a member of the team that represented the 99,000-square-foot lease for the Daily News in the Financial District, and Dale Schlather, an executive vice president who was on the team that represented Avon Products in its 246,500-square-foot lease in Midtown (note: clarification). Schlather is also on the team representing law firm Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy, which is in the market for 350,000 square feet of space.


Click image for larger versionAndrew Sachs, executive director at Cushman, credited a more collaborative management style with bringing in a high number of assignments. Others said it was simply the brokerage's history as a tenant representative firm. Some noted that tenants might be looking for space quietly and not appear on this list.

Insiders said CBRE, with just two assignments on the list, should not be counted out. The firm represented tenants in seven of the 10 largest deals that closed in the first half of 2010, a CoStar Group survey showed, including four deals for 300,000 square feet or more.

The three largest tenants in the market are all looking for up to 1 million square feet. They are: Condé Nast, which is represented by Mary Ann Tighe, CEO of CB Richard Ellis' New York office; Bank of America, which is represented by Jones Lang LaSalle and Cushman; and Morgan Stanley, which is represented by Newmark Knight Frank.

Tighe has a long-time relationship with Condé Nast, which she placed in its current location at the Durst Organization's 4 Times Square in 1996. The company is reportedly looking to take as much as 1 million square feet in 1 World Trade Center, where Durst was picked last month by the Port Authority to buy a stake in the tower. Currently under construction, 1 World Trade Center is scheduled for completion in 2013.

Peter Riguardi, president of the New York office of Jones Lang LaSalle, is representing Bank of America in its search for space Downtown, while Cushman brokers Mitchell Konsker and Tara Stacom are searching in Midtown. The bank has Midtown offices in 1 Bryant Park, but also has space occupied by Merrill Lynch, which it took over in 2008, that is expiring in 2013 at World Financial Center.

Newmark Knight Frank brokers Barry Gosin and Hal Stein are representing Morgan Stanley in its search for up to 1 million feet. Although headquartered at 1585 Broadway in Midtown, the financial firm also leases space at 1 New York Plaza in the Financial District.

Brokers differed on the meaning of the increase in activity.

Some interpreted the rise in large tenants on the prowl as a positive indicator, showing that companies want to commit to space now because they are anticipating that rents may rise quickly. But others noted that most of the tenants in the market, such as Deloitte and Condé Nast, may ultimately cut the amount of space they rent. So while those big guns are currently creating activity in the market, their moves will ultimately put additional downward pressure on prices and increase the Manhattan vacancy rate, which was 10.8 percent in the second quarter.

"Don't confuse the number of big deals with positive net absorption," said Dirk Hrobsky, managing director at tenant representative firm UGL Equis. "Right now these big deals are all just trading space and not increasing overall occupancy."

While most of the tenants have leases expiring in the next three years, some are further out, such as Condé Nast and Zurich American Insurance, now located in Downtown and Midtown locations. Zurich, which Hrobsky represents, has two locations with expirations in 2017, but has been reviewing options to lease Downtown, he said.

In addition, hunting for space and taking space are obviously two different things. Indeed, brokers said many of the tenants in the market will likely stay in their current locations, but use the deals they find to create leverage with their existing landlords.

Yet the optimists note that there is a limited supply in some markets. There were 21 blocks of space greater than 250,000 square feet available in Manhattan, Cushman reported last month. Joseph Harbert, COO of Cushman's New York office, noted that there were just nine blocks larger than 250,000 square feet available in Midtown. Some of the available spaces include 1 World Trade Center, 1 New York Plaza, Worldwide Plaza at 825 Eighth Avenue and 1221 Sixth Avenue, CoStar shows.

"At some point this is going to put [upward] pressure on pricing," Harbert said at the firm's media briefing last month. "It's going to end up being a game of musical chairs, and at some point someone may be left without a seat."

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The P.A. should look at this chart if they believe still the markets are dead.
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wow...BoFA still needs space... build another tall tower!!!!
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Or just move into the ones downtown that are stalled.
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2010, 10:55 PM
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The only towers "on hold" downtown are 2 and 3 WTC. They alone don't have enough space to satisfy the upcoming demand. The Hotel Penn site and Hudson Yards will be necessary to quench NY's thirst for space.
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This is the reason I'm always amazed at the people who talk of "no demand" for office space. They simply have no idea of what they are talking about, or are blatantly lying. Any one of these could be an anchor of a new tower, and we do have a list of towers ready to go. The time to make a deal is now, especially for those who don't necessarily need "new" office space.
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This is the reason I'm always amazed at the people who talk of "no demand" for office space. They simply have no idea of what they are talking about, or are blatantly lying. Any one of these could be an anchor of a new tower, and we do have a list of towers ready to go. The time to make a deal is now, especially for those who don't necessarily need "new" office space.
Except there is already 4.4 million square feet of office space under construction downtown, which some companies on that list have already signed space in (Conde Nast just signed 1 million). If they want midtown office space thats one thing, bu there is another 4.5 million we want downtown too.
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Except there is already 4.4 million square feet of office space under construction downtown, which some companies on that list have already signed space in (Conde Nast just signed 1 million). If they want midtown office space thats one thing, bu there is another 4.5 million we want downtown too.
Which is why I added this..

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The time to make a deal is now, especially for those who don't necessarily need "new" office space.
We're talking about companies who will need space within a few years. The space that's available now - which some will need to take obviously - will be even further removed in a few years than it already is from top of the line, Class A Manhattan office space. I mentioned somewhere else that in five years, Midtown will have no new office space unless something gets started within a year or so. And that's what the "big dogs" are looking for.
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I oh so want this to go through along with the other New York supertalls...


My only question is-

Why is Manhattan the only borough that has/will have the only supertalls in NYC?
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I oh so want this to go through along with the other New York supertalls...


My only question is-

Why is Manhattan the only borough that has/will have the only supertalls in NYC?
well the other boroughs are exclusively residential,excluding the nearby Brooklyn Waterfront that doesn't exactly call for large commercial space at the moment. eventually boroughs like Brooklyn and Queens will get more tall buildings though right now theres just not a demand for large commercial buildings in the other boroughs. though Brooklyn and Queens have had steady growth in the past few years and at the moment Brooklyn has been undergoing a hotel boom. who knows maybe Hyatt or Sheraton will build a 700+ hotel in Brooklyn.
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