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Old Posted Jul 27, 2010, 1:46 AM
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18 new towers for downtown?

New workers could spark construction boom: study

By: Bartley Kives

DOWNTOWN Winnipeg is doing much better as an economic engine than its reputation sug­gests, according to a new study of em­ployment in the city's core.
About 57,000 people work downtown and another 9,700 could join them in the next 25 years and spark the con­struction of 18 new office towers, according to the city-commissioned Downtown Winnipeg Employment Study. The study was completed on Feb. 26 by a pair of Toronto consult­ants and just made public.
Based on Statistics Canada employ­ment data, consulting firms Altus Clayton and Urban Strategies Inc. found Winnipeg ranked third among eight Canadian metropolitan areas in terms of the concentration of jobs based in their respective core business districts. Only Regina and Calgary --
two cities with downtown reputation issues of their own -- had more jobs based in their respective cores.
The results are counterintuitive, in that inner-city Winnipeg suffers from a negative reputation due to its rela­tively large size and relatively small population. Only about 13,000 people reside within the formal boundaries of downtown Winnipeg, giving rise to the perception the area is unsafe because few people are on the street during evenings and weekends.
But almost one in four residents of metropolitan Winnipeg, an area that includes bedroom communities for the purposes of statistical analysis, actually work in the city's central business district, the study suggests.
Formally, the area defined as down­town Winnipeg is bounded by the Assiniboine River to the south, the Red River to the east and an irregu­lar northwest boundary that zigzags southwest from Chinatown, past the western edges of the Exchange Dis­trict and Central Park to the Univer­sity of Winnipeg and then finally down to the Assiniboine at Balmoral Street. The area defined as Winnipeg's cen­tral business district also includes the Health Sciences Centre and parts of the Centennial, West Alexander, Spen­ce and West Broadway neighbour­hoods, plus Osborne Village and the northern chunk of Old St. Boniface.
Winnipeggers tend to underestimate the importance of the city's relatively large downtown workforce, mainly because office workers are spread throughout the central core, said Stef­ano Grande, executive director of the Downtown Winnipeg BIZ.
In 2008, when the BIZ asked New York City retail consultant Michael J. Berne to study downtown Winnipeg, the organization was surprised by the positive feedback. Despite the flight of shoppers to Polo Park, St. Vital and Kenaston Commons, downtown Win­nipeg's retail sector remains healthi­er than those found in U.S. cities of a similar size, the consultant said.
"He said, 'Clearly your office work­ers are driving a lot of retail down­town and your local residential popu­lation is sustaining it," Grande said.
Forecasts of future economic growth in Winnipeg, which predict up to 9,700 downtown jobs will be added over the next 25 years, suggest the core will require another 3.7 million square feet of office space, a figure that translates into 18 new buildings.
Commercial realtors say the city could use more office space right away, given the extremely low office vacancy rates in Winnipeg, never mind even tighter supplies of retail, industrial and multi-family residen­tial space.
"We are at the lowest vacancy we've ever seen," said Don White, the brok­er for Colliers Pratt McGarry, which pegged the city's office-space vacancy rate at 5.4 per cent at the end of 2008.
White said Winnipeg will need new office buildings even if the economy softens as expected. But at the same time, nobody will build new office towers unless the office-space rental rates double or even triple to allow developers a better return on their in­vestment, he said. Class A office space in downtown Winnipeg rents for $15 to $17 per square foot. New office towers won't be feasible until those rates rise above $40 per square foot, he said.
"Our rental rates don't really justify construction. But as we start to grow, we simply need new real estate," he said. Unlike Calgary, where risk-tak­ing developers erected a glut of office space, Winnipeg investment firms tend to be conservative and avoid any form of office-tower speculation.
Winnipeg developers are also re­luctant to build new downtown apart­ment towers, despite a city-wide multi­family vacancy rate pegged at only one per cent, added White, claiming the city's apartment-vacancy rate "is at an unhealthy low."
In an unusual confluence of opinion, commercial realtors are on the same page as inner-city housing advocates who claim Winnipeg is already in the midst of a residential property crisis and could be on the verge of an explo­sion of homelessness.
Earlier this week, representatives from the non-profit Spence Neighbour­hood Association told city council's property and development committee that middle-class Winnipeggers are driving low-income residents out of a short supply of inner-city housing stock.
White agreed, stating a shortage of high-end and middle-class rental units is compounding Winnipeg's af­fordable- housing crisis.
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Selected highlights from the city-commissioned Downtown Winnipeg Employment Study, conducted by Toronto consulting firms Altus Clayton and Urban Strategies Inc.: Approximately 57,000 people work in downtown Winnipeg, which has about 12.8 million square feet of office space. That means about a quarter of metro­politan Winnipeg's workforce is based downtown.
Winnipeg ranks third out of eight selected Canadian metro­politan areas when it comes to the percentage of total jobs that are based downtown. Population­wise, Winnipeg ranks seventh in the data analysis, which was based on Statistics Canada data and also included Toronto, Mont­real, Vancouver, Ottawa, Calgary, Edmonton and Regina.
The same analysis found Winnipeg ranked No. 1 in terms of the concentration of health­care jobs downtown and No. 2 in finance, real estate and profes­sions.
Over the next 25 years, downtown Winnipeg will generate up to 9,700 office jobs. The new em­ployment supports the creation of 3.7 million more square feet of office space, which amounts to about 18 new buildings.
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I havnt heard anything about these recently however...
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2010, 6:27 AM
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That's good news for Winnepeg.. A very under rated city, and I really hope they along with cities like Saskatoon, Regina, also have high econonomic and population growth for many years!
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This is a cool thread !

Great work on the renders! i love traynors updated trump rear end render! Its sick!

Trumps gonna be so iconic! We have all these main/notable towers that everyone knows in the CBD (like Scotia, FCP, TD Centre, Brookfield, Commerce Court west, Bay Adelaide, etc...) and now to add to the list is Trump!!!! lovin it!
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That's good news for Winnepeg.. A very under rated city, and I really hope they along with cities like Saskatoon, Regina, also have high econonomic and population growth for many years!
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I added Shangri-la and L Tower to the above render.




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I'm sure it's been done but maybe you guys could repost the locations or Aura, Four Seasons and 1 Bloor so we know what the skyline will look like in a couple of years.
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ICE: York/Bremner: Further south of the CBD
Aura: Yonge/Gerard (midtown of downtown)
1BE: Yonge/Bloor (uptown of downtown)
Four Seasons: Bay/Yorkville (uptown of downtown)

Traynor: post some of those renders on this page because i can't find any of them
Here you go guys. This is the view of the North/South skyline from the West looking East. The Lake is on the far right and Young and Bloor is on the far left. I labeled one of the renders so Phil can see where everything is going. I also finished projects like the FCP re-clad, Ritz and TIFF just to clean the pic up.

The original photograph by Ramako is on the bottom.

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Old Posted Jul 28, 2010, 3:50 AM
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Traynor, thanks for that.

This shows just what I was afraid of-that the skyline will spread out so much in the next couple of years that it will become almost like Atlanta's or Houston's.

Also, I like the UFO in the bottom pic.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2010, 4:08 AM
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You're welcome Phil.

I noticed the UFO as well and then remembered it was a hash mark I made on the original to start off when I was adding Aura. I forgot to delete it from the original before I uploaded it. I like to get the heights right above all else, because that is what gives the overall impression of each building.

What you call "spreading out"... Torontonians like to call "filling in". Most 'Scraper Geeks in T.O. are hoping for a Manhattanization of downtown, from the Lake to Bloor and projects like Aura are getting this done.
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It would be better for the new buildings to fill in holes. Many of the sites in the financial district that don't have skyscrapers have perfectly fine shorter buildings. Conversely, there are lots of sites father out that are really important (e.g. right by a subway station, which in some ways makes an area like Eglinton more "central" than a site ten blocks from the core in a random direction) but for some reason still have very dumpy buildings or are in some cases completely vacant.

Aesthetically I also prefer towers that are spread out, especially if they are architecturally interesting.
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I prefer filling out (i.e. increased density) too, but given where Toronto's at right now, I prefer spreading the love around the outskirts of downtown, simply for the sake of setting the precedent of height in those areas. Once the downtown "perimetre" has expanded to those areas, we can worry about filling it in.

For example, Aura would indeed look better near the core, but at Yonge & Gerrard it ensures that other 200+ metre towers can be built in that area, and thereby ensures that the core itself can eventually expand north toward that area.
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What you call "spreading out"... Torontonians like to call "filling in". Most 'Scraper Geeks in T.O. are hoping for a Manhattanization of downtown, from the Lake to Bloor and projects like Aura are getting this done.
Manhattanization IS happening. Of course, it's a slow, gradual process. Midtown Manhattan has tons of 150+ metre buildings, and Toronto is following the same pattern.
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something I just realised by looking at the last pictures posted of Calgary and Toronto - that First Canadian Place is going to end up looking something like these things in Calgary:


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but hopefully better
Yes, except the first canadian place will have reflective panels which is very nice.

These are definately my least favourite towers in calgary! There are three in total and they are all the same height. One large building would have been more attractive but I think the sun shading restriction prohibited that kind of tall development on the site . The sheer scale of the new Encana Bow building is helping tone down the sun life tower's nasty impact o nthe skyline.
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Kw5150: I think you're right, but I don't know if the city had shadowing restrictions then when those three eyesores were built. The worst offender in regards to the affect of shadowing in this current boom is Livingston Place!
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I would post one of Winnipeg...if there was anything to add haha

honestly, its hard to find a future skyline shot on the Peg.
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Edmonton from a couple of years ago and a 'future' Edmonton...?





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2 of those towers look odd.

The other render towers look nice. - especially that twin tower development going on in the foreground.
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^yah not sure the context of these other than perhaps 'conceptual' for our east downtown plan.

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Would be cool to see Edmonton get some height like that, though I hope you build nicer than those.
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