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Old Posted Aug 3, 2010, 7:08 PM
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^ We're negotiating a set of trade agreements with India, one of which is a new Air Service Agreement. Right now, that traffic is going through Europe, and it can't go direct. These things don't change over night, they are complicated diplomatic commercial agreements. Should we give up on direct flights for the sake of expediency?

Would you rather have multiple direct flights to multiple destinations in India in the next decade? Or multiple flights through the gulf hubs today? I know which I would choose.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 3, 2010, 7:16 PM
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^ We're negotiating a set of trade agreements with India, one of which is a new Air Service Agreement. Right now, that traffic is going through Europe, and it can't go direct. These things don't change over night, they are complicated diplomatic commercial agreements. Should we give up on direct flights for the sake of expediency?

Would you rather have multiple direct flights to multiple destinations in India in the next decade? Or multiple flights through the gulf hubs today? I know which I would choose.

Of course I'd choose the multiple flights direct to India, but just how long is all this going to take? The "new" Jet AIRWAYS and KINGFISHER services to Vancouver >< Delhi and Mumbai were announced in 2008. They're still blathering about it.

And I'll bet your bottom dollar that it's John Baird and the Canadian team who are holding things up, not India.

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By the way, have you ever considered that a Gulf hub is PERFECT for ongoing flights to Africa: Nairobi, Lagos, Jo'burg, Cape Town? Or does that not matter?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 3, 2010, 7:55 PM
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Mexicana officially filed for bankruptcy protection a few hours ago....
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 3, 2010, 8:06 PM
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I didnt realize Alaska did a Bellinham-Vegas - has that been going on for a while? I always just look at Allegiant.......

Bellingham airport to offer daily flights to Honolulu

Alaska Airlines hopes to lure travellers from B.C.

Alaska Airlines announced Monday it hopes to lure Metro Vancouver travellers by offering low-fare, non-stop daily flights from Bellingham International Airport (BIA) to Honolulu.

The flights, set to begin Jan. 7, will be the first time scheduled flights will be offered from Bellingham to Hawaii. They will be aimed primarily at travellers in northwest Washington and the growing number of B.C. residents making the short trek to Bellingham to take advantage of lower fares.

Travellers will fly on Boeing 737-800 aircraft, which accommodate 157 passengers.

"A heavy amount of the focus, we suspect, will be from the Lower Mainland," Joe Sprague, Alaska Airlines' vice-president of marketing, said in an interview. "That has been the trend for Bellingham. And Hawaii is a very popular destination for residents of Western Canada."

Sprague said ticket prices, which will be rolled out Thursday, will be competitive.

"I can tell you the fares will be very, very attractive. It will be among the lowest fares you can find to get from the West Coast to Hawaii. We'll have some terrific prices."

Sprague said Alaska Airlines will also offer all-inclusives, including flights, accommodation, transfers and tours.

He noted that Alaska Airlines now offers flights to Las Vegas from Bellingham, attracting a large percentage of B.C. travellers. "It's in excess of 50 per cent and growing."

He expects the same will hold true for their Hawaii flights.

Sprague said Alaska Airlines will target B.C. travellers with a "fun promotion" in Metro Vancouver locations on Thursday. "We'll have our sales and marketing teams in various locations."

Monday's announcement comes as Bellingham International Airport reconstructs its runway and taxiway as part of a $29-million project that will allow the airport to handle planes as large as a 757.

The expansion is anticipated to increase the number of both U.S. and Canadian flyers heading to destinations throughout the U.S.

The project -- the largest construction project in the 90-year history of the Port of Bellingham -- will include rehabilitation of the runway and reconstruction and widening of the parallel taxiway. It is expected to be completed later this year.

Another $28 million is being spent over the next five years rehabilitating the commercial terminal.

Art Choat, director of aviation for the Bellingham airport, said Monday the Alaska Airlines announcement is "a big deal" for the airport and that the expanded terminal bodes well for the new service.

"This gives us more urgency for our terminal renovation," Choat said. "Our current terminal is 29,000 square feet. It will go to 90,000 square feet and will support half a million passengers a year. It will give us the ability to better handle the volumes using BIA."

Choat said the airport has seen strong growth over the last few years and that it's expected to have about 375,000 outbound passengers this year. He said the new Alaska Airlines service will provide a cost-effective alternative for B.C. residents.


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Mexicana officially filed for bankruptcy protection a few hours ago....
Damn, and AC was foolish enough to give them back the 4 A319's they seized
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I didnt realize Alaska did a Bellinham-Vegas - has that been going on for a while? I always just look at Allegiant.......
not for too long maybe a year or two at the most - they are shutting down in september for a couple weeks to extend the runway or something for the hawaii flights

I just wish i had taken advantage of that other airline that is now gone that flew to or could connect to places out east and midwest etc.
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Old Posted Aug 4, 2010, 10:47 PM
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not for too long maybe a year or two at the most - they are shutting down in september for a couple weeks to extend the runway or something for the hawaii flights

I just wish i had taken advantage of that other airline that is now gone that flew to or could connect to places out east and midwest etc.
Southwest woud be a great additon, but i doubt there is enough demand to justify them coming to bellingham
     
     
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Seems too bad that Southwest and Westjet never ended up joining forces in code-share. Would have strenghthened YVR's position and given us a whole new range of flights to the USA. (correct me if I'm wrong)
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2010, 3:00 PM
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Prime Minsiter Harper Shauffled his cabinet & B.C.'s Chuck Strahl is the new Transportation Minister. This appointment hopefully will help YVR et soe new routes.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2010, 3:23 PM
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Of course I'd choose the multiple flights direct to India, but just how long is all this going to take? The "new" Jet AIRWAYS and KINGFISHER services to Vancouver >< Delhi and Mumbai were announced in 2008. They're still blathering about it.

And I'll bet your bottom dollar that it's John Baird and the Canadian team who are holding things up, not India.

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By the way, have you ever considered that a Gulf hub is PERFECT for ongoing flights to Africa: Nairobi, Lagos, Jo'burg, Cape Town? Or does that not matter?
Kingfisher Airlines cancelled their A340 order two years ago due to the recession. Those were the aircraft they planned to use for routes like YVR. I'm pretty sure Air Canada had nothing to do with that.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2010, 3:32 PM
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Prime Minsiter Harper Shauffled his cabinet & B.C.'s Chuck Strahl is the new Transportation Minister. This appointment hopefully will help YVR et soe new routes.

Hey! Great news, having a Transport Minister from BC. So, John Baird is out. Maybe that WILL make a difference. Thanks for posting that
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Kingfisher Airlines cancelled their A340 order two years ago due to the recession. Those were the aircraft they planned to use for routes like YVR. I'm pretty sure Air Canada had nothing to do with that.

Thanks for that piece of information; good to clarify. (Besides, my friend, HOW could AIR CANADA's influence and needs possibly do ANYTHING detrimental to Vancouver? )
     
     
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Mexicana officially filed for bankruptcy protection a few hours ago....
Mexicana has also suspended all sales/reservations too (they can't sell through travel agents anyway - due to some sort of missed payment). They only are selling tix for their domestic flights which are operated by their two regional operators.

Mexicana continues to operate their already scheduled flights, including ones to Canada, simply to honour already sold tix. For the time being anyway...

So, right now they do not have service (for new customers) to YVR, YYC, YYZ or YUL.

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Old Posted Aug 6, 2010, 4:02 PM
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Mexicana has also suspended all sales/reservations too (they can't sell through travel agents anyway - due to some sort of missed payment). They only are selling tix for their domestic flights which are operated by their two regional operators.

Mexicana continues to operate their scheduled flights, including ones to Canada, to honour already sold tix. For the time being anyway...
About how much longer will their service last? Maybe into September or October? After that, it seems only JAL will have the Vancouver - Mexico City route. Aeromexico flies there out of Seattle, but I don't know what financial shape they are in.
     
     
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Hey! Great news, having a Transport Minister from BC. So, John Baird is out. Maybe that WILL make a difference. Thanks for posting that


Thanks for that piece of information; good to clarify. (Besides, my friend, HOW could AIR CANADA's influence and needs possibly do ANYTHING detrimental to Vancouver? )
Keep dreaming. It is clear with the Harper gov't that it doesnt matter where he, or any cabinet ministers come from. Wont help at all. Even many Albertans are pissed that Harper hasnt "helped" the West they way the expetced given he is from Alberta.

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Keep dreaming. It is clear with the Harper gov't that it doesnt matter where he, or any cabinet ministers come from. Wont help at all. Even many Albertans are pissed that Harper hasnt "helped" the West they way the expetced given he is from Alberta.
Actually, I think it's pretty good policy that a government doesn't condone a minister favouring projects from their home area. If that were the case, we'd rarely get any decent projects, services or funding UNLESS a BC'er was in cabinet. We can't have it both ways.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2010, 7:06 PM
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Good news, Air Canada has announced it will begin daily flights to Tokyo-Haneda in January, in addition to its daily flights to Narita! So Air Canada will have double daily to Tokyo. Maybe they'll even lure Yume's business.
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/August2010/17/c3201.html
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2010, 8:59 PM
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That's good news , I wonder why they chose Haneda as opposed to Narita?

That will become a 787 route once they start taking delivery of the planes as the 767's are to be retired.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2010, 9:10 PM
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That's good news , I wonder why they chose Haneda as opposed to Narita?

That will become a 787 route once they start taking delivery of the planes as the 767's are to be retired.
Air Canada already flys from YVR to Narita. Haneda, which is older and closer to central Tokyo, was only recently re-opened to international flights. Given that proximity, its seen by many as the more desirable airport.

Previously the Narita-Haneda relationship was similar to what was abortively attempted in Montreal with Mirabel and Dorval.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2010, 9:18 PM
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Great News!

They chose Haneda because it's a much more desirable airport to fly into. It's practically right inside the city on Tokyo bay (about the same distance as YVR but for a city 10x the size ) and it has far more connections to places in Japan.

In addition, they're expanding and Air Canada wants a piece of the action. If they don't get in now, there probably won't be an opportunity later. It's a smart move for them.

Narita is, at ~80km from Tokyo, further than YXX (Abbotsford) is from Vancouver. It would be like YVR running out of room and deciding to built an international airport out on Sumas flats.

Then, after building the airport, planning on building a bullet train line to it so that it's not too inconvenient, only to have residents in Abbotsford and Langley protest the line and ultimately have it scrapped. After decades of fighting for this line and fighting for land at the airport ( take a look at Narita Airport... there are farms and stuff in the middle of taxiways... because of Japan's strong property laws ), they decide to just expand Haneda. No doubt, the successes of Osaka and Nagoya in building on reclaimed ground was the reason they decided Haneda expansion was now feasible.

I don't like flying into Narita as I'm transferring to Haneda usually, so this is great news for me.

EDIT: My elation turned to deflation. I forgot that these new landing slots are from 11PM - 7AM. Air Canada lands at 11PM, but the next flight to Osaka is at 6:25am. I guess, though, that's the best choice for AC, as it would have to leave at 2am from Vancouver to get there by 6am.

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