YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Yume-sama]

I have a feeling it would even cost less than flying directly from YYZ.

I just did a sample search:
JFK - DXB = $1700 return
YYZ - DXB = $2200 return

Both on an A380

[nova9]

Originally Posted by AlexYVR

Yeah Trof I don't quite get what you're trying to accomplish by bringing them to Vancouver as I, for one, will always go to Seattle to fly if it costs less $$. Which it inevitably will.

then what is the point of us even advocating for YVR when even a forumer with YVR in their name will not fly through YVR.

I always fly through yvr, i can't be bothered to go down to seattle. my 2 hours is worth much more than whatever i can save.

[Yume-sama]

That may be true if you make $150 - $250 an hour, depending on what International flight~

I personally wouldn't go through Seattle unless it was an AMAZING circumstance just because I hate going through US Customs / Security.

[big T]

Two hours is really generous. Seatac is south of downtown, so factoring in border wait you can easily double that estimate I think. And you have to have a car (not everyone does). Really, I think the appeal of flying out of SEA is way overhyped.
That being said, YVR should absolutely be more affordable.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by AlexYVR

Yeah Trof I don't quite get what you're trying to accomplish by bringing them to Vancouver as I, for one, will always go to Seattle to fly if it costs less $$. Which it inevitably will.

We're on two different wavelengths here:
You're thinking of it on a purely pragmatic, cost-related basis, (which probably makes a lot more sense than mine)
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I was thinking of it as an addition to the YVR roster to maintain it against Toronto hegemony and give it more importance as an airport.

Otherwise stated, I was not thinking of it so much in a purely $$$ way, as you were, but more on an emotional and civic pride level (which usually loses out, anyway, except that as a Canadian, I hate to see Toronto hogging everything in all domains, as they usually do).

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by nova9

then what is the point of us even advocating for YVR when even a forumer with YVR in their name will not fly through YVR.

I always fly through yvr, i can't be bothered to go down to seattle. my 2 hours is worth much more than whatever i can save.

Originally Posted by Yume-sama

That may be true if you make $150 - $250 an hour, depending on what International flight~

I personally wouldn't go through Seattle unless it was an AMAZING circumstance just because I hate going through US Customs / Security.

Originally Posted by big T

Two hours is really generous. Seatac is south of downtown, so factoring in border wait you can easily double that estimate I think. And you have to have a car (not everyone does). Really, I think the appeal of flying out of SEA is way overhyped.
That being said, YVR should absolutely be more affordable.

Thank you all for your support and understanding on this. You all have slightly different reasons for not wanting to fly out of SEA-TAC (not that I have anything against SEA-TAC), but this thread is about developing and improving YVR, and I don't just mean changing the chairs in the passenger lounge!! I mean making it a MAJOR airport!

Thanks again!! "Vive YVR!!"

[SpongeG]

its 123 miles from the border to seattle and than a few more miles to seatac - depending on how close one lives to the border... for instance my friend is about 10 mins from the border in surrey i am about 20-30 mins from where i am and my friends in vancouver it takes about 45-60 mins

when i flew out of bellingham the place was pretty full with east indians from the valley - judging by what i overheard of where they were from - and a lot of them were in big groups - like 4 or 5 kids with them - the savings on a big group make it worth it for them

I flew out of seattle in the past cause I had a sweet deal 90% off and way back in the day my grandparents couldn't fly into vancouver they had to fly into seattle and than drove up to vancouver - something about needing to get the visa or something in seattle anyway it wasn't too bad

too bad emirates - I see tons of arab guys downtown - like 100's - i am sure they would love a direct flight to their region from here where they live for school and go back occasionally

[Yume-sama]

It's not even really about connecting to the UAE, it's about connecting to neighboring Countries. Lebanon, Pakistan, INDIA, etc.

With our demographics it's almost shameful we have no direct connection to that part of the World, and India with its huge population.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

its 123 miles from the border to seattle and than a few more miles to seatac - depending on how close one lives to the border... for instance my friend is about 10 mins from the border in surrey i am about 20-30 mins from where i am and my friends in vancouver it takes about 45-60 mins

when i flew out of bellingham the place was pretty full with east indians from the valley - judging by what i overheard of where they were from - and a lot of them were in big groups - like 4 or 5 kids with them - the savings on a big group make it worth it for them

I flew out of seattle in the past cause I had a sweet deal 90% off and way back in the day my grandparents couldn't fly into vancouver they had to fly into seattle and than drove up to vancouver - something about needing to get the visa or something in seattle anyway it wasn't too bad

too bad emirates - I see tons of arab guys downtown - like 100's - i am sure they would love a direct flight to their region from here where they live for school and go back occasionally

Originally Posted by Yume-sama

It's not even really about connecting to the UAE, it's about connecting to neighboring Countries. Lebanon, Pakistan, INDIA, etc.

With our demographics it's almost shameful we have no direct connection to that part of the World, and India with its huge population.

It's Transport Minister John Baird who is blocking all this. The reason? So we all have to change at Toronto. (common knowledge by now!!)

You can email John Baird at: [email protected]

His peronal office phone in Ottawa is 613-991-0700

Enough emails mean votes, and that just might cause him to relent.
He is deliberately stifling the growth of YVR. He knows it. We know it. YVR officials know it, but we're powerless to change it unless there's a groundswell of opposition to the current restrictive, Toronto-favouring, policies.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by Yume-sama

It's not even really about connecting to the UAE, it's about connecting to neighboring Countries. Lebanon, Pakistan, INDIA, etc.

With our demographics it's almost shameful we have no direct connection to that part of the World, and India with its huge population.

whatever happenned to the kingfisher airlines deal? Gordo made a big deal with the press about a new deal that would have kingfisher airlines having direct india-vancouver flights

there is info somewhere in this place about it when it came out a couple years ago...

[jlousa]

Yes we know John Baird is stopping it all, he hates Vancouver and loves Toronto. It has nothing to do with Toronto serving a much larger population. All his predecessors shared in the conspiracy as well.

Now lets look at the facts. For a city Vancouver's size we serve a ridiculous amount of international passengers a year. Sure we can improve and we are year after year, but let's be realistic about the situation.

Flying to Barcelona tomorrow direct from YVR.

[Yume-sama]

Originally Posted by jlousa

Flying to Barcelona tomorrow direct from YVR.

Ooh~ My friend was just mugged in Barcelona today. Have fun lol

All the unlucky bandits got was his iPhone. Even they'll be frustrated by Telus' lack of good roaming...

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by jlousa

Yes we know John Baird is stopping it all, he hates Vancouver and loves Toronto. It has nothing to do with Toronto serving a much larger population. All his predecessors shared in the conspiracy as well.

Now lets look at the facts. For a city Vancouver's size we serve a ridiculous amount of international passengers a year. Sure we can improve and we are year after year, but let's be realistic about the situation.

Flying to Barcelona tomorrow direct from YVR.

Thank you, jlousa, for a typically sarcastic response.
First, is your YVR-BCN flight a summer charter or a regularly scheduled flight?
Second, when Emirates - and other airlines have REPEATEDLY REQESTED Vancouver access; why are they turned down by Baird? Got an answer for that one????
As for a city of Vancouver's size serving a "ridiculous" number" of international passengers per year, Brisbane Australia is smaller, yet serves more passengers than we do.
Ditto Oslo Norway. HALF the size of Vancouver, if that. More passengers.
We're on a par per number of passengers with Stockholm Arlanda, (but then, being the capital of Sweden, most of their flights ARE international)

Nevertheless, your "putting me in my place" is done in a less-than-polite fashion, and I would have expected better from a moderator. Please excuse me.

[SpongeG]

i've heard barcelona is bad and you gotta be careful on the subway

was even watching a travel show - one of the hipper younger ones - and while they were filming they caught on film some of what they were warning about

[Yume-sama]

Is it turning in to Mexico-lite or something ? Sheesh, can't trust any of them Spanish speaking places now

[SpongeG]

yeah they have gypsies who work the trains apparently - the show showed some people having a fight in one of the squares notorious for being a place to avoid even though its a touristy spot - they just said be careful and keep an eye out on what you do

[jlousa]

The comment wasn't sarcastic it was blunt. And don't forgot I'm a member of the forum first and entitled to my opinion, I'm only a moderator when acting as one. Two separate things and I do what I can to keep them separated.

John Baird has stopped Emirates from flying in for numerous reasons previously discussed in this very thread, there is no need to rehash them. I certainly hope you don't believe he stopped them to punish Vancouver and reward Toronto because that isn't the case.

And yes my flight is a summer charter, works out fine for me. A great case of supply and demand. There is more demand for this flight in the summer time when people are vacationing so the need is meet by additional supply. If the demand was there year round the flights would appear.

My upcoming trips to Paris and to Madrid will also be charters.

[SpongeG]

cattle flights hate those

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by jlousa

The comment wasn't sarcastic it was blunt.

John Baird has stopped Emirates from flying in for numerous reasons previously discussed in this very thread, there is no need to rehash them. I certainly hope you don't believe he stopped them to punish Vancouver and reward Toronto because that isn't the case.

In fact, no I never did get to the bottom of that question, seeing as how EMIRATES banged on our door repeatedly.

I guess the answer is that Air Canada needs to keep Lufthansa and its Star Alliance partners happy. That's the only reason I can think of. If I'm wrong, PLEASE TELL ME.

Anybody ! .........................

[jlousa]

It's not a Canadian problem with Emirates it's global and I'll post you an article to show you that shortly. The fact is Emirates is not interested in flying people to Dubai it's interested in flying people thru Dubai, pretty sure we can agree on that right?
Emirates while compensating their pilots at industry rates still has quite a few advantages not shared by it's western competitors which include much lower payrates for their remaining personnel, fuel at rates other airlines could only dream of, tax free operation in Dubai, under market rates for their operation buildings in Dubai and numerous other subsidies/perks due to being state owned.

Here's an article that shows most of Europe is in the same boat as Canada, guess it's not about Toronto after all, but about nationalism.

http://atwonline.com/aeropolitics-regula...eed%3A+AtwDailyNews+%28ATW+Daily+News%29