Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion - Page 338

Yume-sama · #**6741** Posted **Jul 30, 2010, 9:10 PM**

Yeah, nothing really worth freaking out about. Now, a briefcase of $100 bills

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officedweller · #**6742** Posted **Jul 30, 2010, 9:16 PM**

Posted at the Buzzer - old school SkyTrain info - including MKI diagram (posted here before) and rough conceptual diagrams of the linear induction motors and steerable axles.

http://www.crbasic.info/high-tech-trains-automated-railways-metro-lines-light-railways.html

tybuilding · #**6743** Posted **Jul 30, 2010, 10:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Whalleyboy

I really wish they connected it to central. Would be nice to do one seamless route to richmond. Its sad when it actually suggest for people in surrey to ride all the way out to waterfront and transfer. Over and hour ride just to get to richmond and 5 dollars just to get there one way.

329 to 301 Surrey Central to Brighouse = 1hr 2min 2 Zone

usog · #**6744** Posted **Jul 30, 2010, 10:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by tybuilding

329 to 301 Surrey Central to Brighouse = 1hr 2min 2 Zone

That's implying you can make the connection between 329 and 301. I swear I have a less than 25% success rate in making a transfer between buses in Surrey, they are just so unreliable.

Whalleyboy · #**6745** Posted **Jul 30, 2010, 10:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by usog

That's implying you can make the connection between 329 and 301. I swear I have a less than 25% success rate in making a transfer between buses in Surrey, they are just so unreliable.

You took the words right out of my mouth

tybuilding · #**6746** Posted **Jul 30, 2010, 11:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by usog

That's implying you can make the connection between 329 and 301. I swear I have a less than 25% success rate in making a transfer between buses in Surrey, they are just so unreliable.

I never tried it to be honest.

I found this interesting article on the buzzer: Freeways, funding, and a flawed 1962 rail plan for Vancouver

http://regardingplace.com/?p=9075

whatnext · #**6747** Posted **Jul 31, 2010, 12:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by tybuilding

I never tried it to be honest.

I found this interesting article on the buzzer: Freeways, funding, and a flawed 1962 rail plan for Vancouver

http://regardingplace.com/?p=9075

Thanks for the great read. Its definitely a shame the Third Crossing was never built, it could have allowed for the eventual removal of the Lions Gate Bridge and causeway, restoring Stanley Park and removing a lot of traffic from the West End.

Mac Write · #**6748** Posted **Jul 31, 2010, 1:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

Thanks for the great read. Its definitely a shame the Third Crossing was never built, it could have allowed for the eventual removal of the Lions Gate Bridge and causeway, restoring Stanley Park and removing a lot of traffic from the West End.

Lions Gate Bridge is a landmark and historical for the City. No way it will be removed.

Yume-sama · #**6749** Posted **Jul 31, 2010, 1:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by Mac Write

Lions Gate Bridge is a landmark and historical for the City. No way it will be removed.

Just you wait for when Gregor runs for re-election

GeeCee · #**6750** Posted **Jul 31, 2010, 2:16 AM**

Gregor would just convert the entire thing to bike lanes.

nname · #**6751** Posted **Jul 31, 2010, 2:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by usog

That's implying you can make the connection between 329 and 301. I swear I have a less than 25% success rate in making a transfer between buses in Surrey, they are just so unreliable.

Use the 410 then.. marginally longer, but much more reliable (and crowded)... If you're adventitious, transfer to the 301 at Westminster highway overpass can save you at least 10 minutes, although I don't recommend this on westbound trips...

Regarding to transferring in Surrey.. I don't recall missing my connection even once.. although I've only tried about 5 times...

racc · #**6752** Posted **Jul 31, 2010, 2:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by GeeCee

Gregor would just convert the entire thing to bike lanes.

Actually, it was almost Glenn Clark or Gordo. Before they upgraded the Lions Gate, they were seriously considering a bored tunnel under Stanley Park to the North Shore. The Lions Gate Bridge and the Causeway would have been for bikes and peds only. It would have been awesome! Only problems were that people on the North Shore were not to keen on paying a toll for one extra lane in a tunnel and people in the West End were freaked out about one extra lane of traffic.

bulliver · #**6753** Posted **Jul 31, 2010, 3:00 AM**

^ Yep, I've always thought that would be the thing to do. Tunnel under the park and First Narrows, and leave the Lion's Gate for bikes/pedestrians....

trofirhen · #**6754** Posted **Jul 31, 2010, 3:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by racc

Actually, it was almost Glenn Clark or Gordo. Before they upgraded the Lions Gate, they were seriously considering a bored tunnel under Stanley Park to the North Shore. The Lions Gate Bridge and the Causeway would have been for bikes and peds only. It would have been awesome! Only problems were that people on the North Shore were not to keen on paying a toll for one extra lane in a tunnel and people in the West End were freaked out about one extra lane of traffic.

An extra toll for the North Shore residents! How dare they touch our millions!

An extra lane in the West End! How anti-granola!! (or is it bean sprouts?)

WBC · #**6755** Posted **Jul 31, 2010, 5:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

An extra toll for the North Shore residents! How dare they touch our millions!

An extra lane in the West End! How anti-granola!! (or is it bean sprouts?)

Putting the North Shore and West End residents in charge of Metro Vancouver would make us the greenest city in the world. Between bigotry and left wing ideology nothing would ever get built ;-)

Could you have a prosperous city with no net population growth? Sometimes I wonder?

mrjauk · #**6756** Posted **Jul 31, 2010, 5:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by bulliver

^ Yep, I've always thought that would be the thing to do. Tunnel under the park and First Narrows, and leave the Lion's Gate for bikes/pedestrians....

Although I'd also like to see buses and/or trams allowed to remain/appear.

jsbertram · #**6757** Posted **Jul 31, 2010, 5:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by racc

Actually, it was almost Glenn Clark or Gordo. Before they upgraded the Lions Gate, they were seriously considering a bored tunnel under Stanley Park to the North Shore. The Lions Gate Bridge and the Causeway would have been for bikes and peds only. It would have been awesome! Only problems were that people on the North Shore were not to keen on paying a toll for one extra lane in a tunnel and people in the West End were freaked out about one extra lane of traffic.

Typical politicians with narrow thinking.

Why limit the tunnel to only replace the Lions Gate Bridge?
Why not a tunnel connecting Highway 1 @ Taylor Way with Broadway and Granville?
Like this:

trofirhen · #**6758** Posted **Jul 31, 2010, 6:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by jsbertram

Typical politicians with narrow thinking.

Why limit the tunnel to only replace the Lions Gate Bridge?
Why not a tunnel connecting Highway 1 @ Taylor Way with Broadway and Granville?
Like this:

I think that's a DYNAMITE idea. But you will run into opponents because of:
1: The Cost. (what you are proposing is mega$$$$$$)
2: The granola-munchers. They'll find a way to call it "unliveable," or such.
3: The general "think small" mentality of Vancouver. It's too dynamic for them
4: The tunnel-phobes. Dunno why, but some people hate / are afraid of , tunnels.

Also, if you could be a bit more specific about what colours represent exactly what, that would be good. (Do they represent elevated roads, or tunnels themselves, for example)

But all in all, if done right -if sufficient funding exists - this is a super idea, IMO. And it is ESPECIALLY relevant in addressing connections to the Upper Levels on the North Shore, which is a 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵, for geographical reasons.
Thank you for this.

racc · #**6759** Posted **Jul 31, 2010, 7:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by jsbertram

Typical politicians with narrow thinking.

Why limit the tunnel to only replace the Lions Gate Bridge?
Why not a tunnel connecting Highway 1 @ Taylor Way with Broadway and Granville?

It would cost a fortune. If it was tolled, which it would have to be in order to pay for it, no one would use it.

Here is a project in Brisbane similar to the one you are proposing. They predicted 60,000 vehicles per day but got only 25,688. Seems like drivers have realtime GPS and use that to avoid paying for driving in the tunnel if there is little congestion on the surface streets.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/motorists-continue-to-shun-clem7-20100504-u5l1.html

As well, all the tunnel access points would require acquiring lots of property destroying many businesses and houses. Good luck with that.

Anyway, this is the transit forum. Lets get back on topic. We can always duke it out on the Fantasy Freeways Forum or whatever.

jsbertram · #**6760** Posted **Jul 31, 2010, 9:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

I think that's a DYNAMITE idea. But you will run into opponents because of:
1: The Cost. (what you are proposing is mega$$$$$$)
2: The granola-munchers. They'll find a way to call it "unliveable," or such.
3: The general "think small" mentality of Vancouver. It's too dynamic for them
4: The tunnel-phobes. Dunno why, but some people hate / are afraid of , tunnels.

Also, if you could be a bit more specific about what colours represent exactly what, that would be good. (Do they represent elevated roads, or tunnels themselves, for example)

But all in all, if done right -if sufficient funding exists - this is a super idea, IMO. And it is ESPECIALLY relevant in addressing connections to the Upper Levels on the North Shore, which is a 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵, for geographical reasons.
Thank you for this.

Its been a while since I did that, but every line is tunnelled. The terrific feature of modern-day tunnelling using TBMs is once you're deep into solid ground, you no longer need to follow the street grid overhead (like you need to do with cut and cover tunnelling).

Red is the main trunk tunnel - 3 or 4 lanes each direction in two separate tunnels
Green is the ramps for traffic to/from east side of main tunnel.
Blue is the ramps for traffic to/from west side of main tunnel.

I was thinking of the tunnel is an express connection between the North Shore and Vancouver.
ie: entering the tunnel from either direction on Broadway, your only exits are on the north shore. You can't use the tunnel as a quicker way into the west end from Granville. If you want to go from Broadway/Oak to Coal Harbour you will still have to use the same bridges and roads as today.

ie: entering the tunnel from Capilano/Trans Canada Highway gives you an express connection to Downtown Vancouver and the Broadway corridor. It won't give you a shortcut to Park Royal Mall.

I think I did some other variants with the southern end of the tunnel under Arbutus St, or Cambie St, or Oak St, or Main St.

I pretty sure I drew one connecting Main St in Vancouver with Lonsdale Ave in North Van but that was under the widest and deepest part of the harbour, so it didn't make sense.

as for cost? Obviously several billion.

However that should be compared to the costs of rebuilding all the bridges between downtown and the rest of the area with a no increase in traffic lanes. Adding 6 or 8 new lanes between Vancouver and the North Shore will likely reduce traffic on the bridges (why take the ziggy-zaggy streets and bridges when the tunnel will get you there direct) which would mean the bridges can be used longer before their next major overhaul or replacement.

The next rebuild of the Lions Gate Bridge can turn it into a SkyTrain bridge so the Canada Line or the Expo Line can get sent to the North Shore.