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Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 5:10 PM
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What's everyone's take on the city spending $100,000 on trying to figure out how much urban rail will cost?
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2010, 2:14 AM
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What's everyone's take on the city spending $100,000 on trying to figure out how much urban rail will cost?
The $100,000 is not to figure out how much it will cost, it is to figure out how to pay for it, primarily a Tax Increment Financing study.
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2010, 4:20 PM
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If thats the case than yes its worth it. If it were to see how much it would cost than thats a little silly considering were probably still 2 years from voting and who knows how much the cost will change by then.
Would raising the sales tax here be able to be used for this? It seems like we've had 8.25 for a while and it makes me wonder just how much revenue could be gained by a modest increase to say just 8.26 or 8.3%.
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2010, 10:54 PM
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It would require a state law to raise the sales tax beyond 8.25%; so it ain't gonna happen.

What would be far better is if the city council would exert some leadership and demand that Capital Metro contribute some money to urban rail, or we'll take back a quarter cent ourselves.
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2010, 1:25 PM
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It's time for el crackplog!

Will adding later morning runs help the Red Line?

Can YOU guess the answer?
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2010, 4:54 PM
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It's time for el crackplog!

Will adding later morning runs help the Red Line?

Can YOU guess the answer?
Note to Capital Metro: Today is the 2nd time in as many weeks that I need to get up north for a 2:45 meeting and want to catch a ride home with with the person I am meeting. I would love to ride the train so we only need to bring back one car, but since the last freeking train leaves DT at 9:05AM we'll be putting 2 cars on Mopac later on this evening.

I can't remember why we pay higher taxes living downtown yet get crappier roads and less transportation options?
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Old Posted Aug 1, 2010, 11:27 PM
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Note to Capital Metro: Today is the 2nd time in as many weeks that I need to get up north for a 2:45 meeting and want to catch a ride home with with the person I am meeting. I would love to ride the train so we only need to bring back one car, but since the last freeking train leaves DT at 9:05AM we'll be putting 2 cars on Mopac later on this evening.

I can't remember why we pay higher taxes living downtown yet get crappier roads and less transportation options?
I hear ya. This past week I had to go to meetings in Cedar Park. The office I went to was near the Cedar Park rail station but since there are no runs in the middle of the day, and the bus takes an hour and a half or more, I had to stick to driving.
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Old Posted Aug 2, 2010, 5:47 AM
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I hear ya. This past week I had to go to meetings in Cedar Park. The office I went to was near the Cedar Park rail station but since there are no runs in the middle of the day, and the bus takes an hour and a half or more, I had to stick to driving.
Assuming by "Cedar Park rail station" you mean Lakeline Station (not technically in Cedar Park, which doesn't participate in Capital Metro), the 983 takes around 52 minutes midday from 6th and Congress to Lakeline Station, compared to 47 minutes for the train from its downtown station.

If you were looking to leave from a station other than downtown, the equivalent bus trip would likely be longer, but at least JAM was talking about downtown...
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Old Posted Aug 3, 2010, 5:54 PM
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Assuming by "Cedar Park rail station" you mean Lakeline Station (not technically in Cedar Park, which doesn't participate in Capital Metro), the 983 takes around 52 minutes midday from 6th and Congress to Lakeline Station, compared to 47 minutes for the train from its downtown station.

If you were looking to leave from a station other than downtown, the equivalent bus trip would likely be longer, but at least JAM was talking about downtown...
Thanks for pointing that out. Last week I plugged in where I wanted to go into CapMetro's bus route website and it said nothing available. I may use that next time I need to get up there. But really, I don't like buses that are not in dedicated lanes, they —. I'll be the first to admit it, I'm anti-bus and pro train. Give me a train over a bus any day. Don't bother trying to rationalize it, that's just the way it is. BTW - I think they must be running that train at slower speeds than it is capable of.
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Old Posted Aug 3, 2010, 7:05 PM
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My mistake - Lakeline station. I'm so ignorant to that area that beyond a certain point its all the same to me. I would leave from MLK, Jr. but even if the train were around the same time as a bus, I'd pick the train over bus. So I'm with you on that JAM. My reasoning is I don't care for driving, especially when I don't have to. So increasing midday service would for sure bring me on board.
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Old Posted Aug 3, 2010, 8:54 PM
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Thanks for pointing that out. Last week I plugged in where I wanted to go into CapMetro's bus route website and it said nothing available. I may use that next time I need to get up there. But really, I don't like buses that are not in dedicated lanes, they —. I'll be the first to admit it, I'm anti-bus and pro train. Give me a train over a bus any day. Don't bother trying to rationalize it, that's just the way it is. BTW - I think they must be running that train at slower speeds than it is capable of.
While the train could be run a little quicker (lack of double-track and poor quality rails/crossings being the main issues), the primary problem is its route - and the shuttle transfer that requires. The express bus, even without its own lane, beats the train on most trips most people currently take - such as from any of the suburban park-and-rides to UT.

Even most downtown employees will see better commutes on the express bus - unless they like speed-walking and work at Frost.
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Old Posted Aug 20, 2010, 6:56 PM
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The problem with the current light rail system is the clientele. This goes back to another post I made regarding frontage roads. People here won't give up the convenience of driving if they don't have to.

If the track was more convenient for people without cars maybe going over towards east Riverside and the east side of town, I think you might see more riders. just my opinion. I know if Iwas still a student living on East Riverside I would be excited about the possibility of taking the train to school or work.



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It's time for el crackplog!

Will adding later morning runs help the Red Line?

Can YOU guess the answer?
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Old Posted Aug 20, 2010, 7:09 PM
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From el crackplog today.

So yesterday, I saw a couple of self-congratulatory tweets about the upcoming service changes (on Sunday) which start the process of eliminating service to large parts of central west Austin. This was particularly interesting given that I had just added information to our rental property's MLS listing about "distance to MetroBus" (the #9, at least until Sunday, has a stop about 100 feet away). So here's what I tweeted in response:







(some short background on the taxes and Red Line issue here)



Shortly thereafter, it was retweeted by another user. Capital Metro PR guy JMVC responded (to that user, not me) that the service change resulted in increased service, and that "you should take what he says with a grain of salt". I had planned to just link to this tweet but since yesterday I've been blocked (JMVC has been non-public tweeting for a long time; although he certainly shares his opinions with most of the local decision-makers despite not being willing to be similarly available to the public). Here's the image:







So let's examine in detail. My tweet:








Question 1: Is Clarksville losing service?



Well, they're losing the #9. Promised in return was a reworked version of the current ER (Enfield Road) shuttle, to pick up the Clarksville portion of the #9 (the new #11 route was to leave Enfield at West Lynn just like the #9 did; run down West Lynn, turn on 12th, hit the very northern portion of downtown, and then head to UT). IF the #11 existed, one could reasonably argue that Clarksville was losing some serivce (to the core of downtown and points towards Travis Heights) but gaining other service (better access to UT area during times when the ER doesn't currently run). Image scraped from the 2020 service plan created by Capital Metro:







The 2020 service plan explicitly mentions that the cancellation of the #9 should not occur until the #11 is ready to go. Again we go to the fine folks at Capital Metro:







So here we are in Fall of 2010. Is the #11 ready to go? Well, here's an image of the proposed service changes (click for the source posting, which will probably age off in a month or two):







The whole thing is longer - but there's nothing in there about the #11 or the ER. Notice that the #29 cancellation notes that the #30 modifications pick up some of the lost service; no such claim exists on the line for the #9.



So, on part 1 of the claim, that being that Clarksville is losing service, I believe we've proven adequately well that I was correct. Clarksville is losing the one metro route it has; the metro routes supposedly replacing nearby UT shuttle routes and the lost #9 are nowhere to be found. Anybody disagree?



Question 2: Is service overall going up? (Implied by JMVC)



Short and sweet: Here's two images from the 2010 implementation plan for the 2020 service plan changes. Make sure your browser is wide enough to see the column titled "Annual platform hours". Or just click on them.







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-7 buses (note that the ER/LA versus 11/12 changes don't actually change the number of buses). And note that this is the original implementation plan. Yes, hours of service theoretically goes up by 30 system-wide - but note that without the ER/LA to 11/12 change, this is more likely going to be a large decrease in hours of service (by my calculations that changes things by something like 13,000 fewer hours). 21/22 changes also not happening now (this is a good thing in the short-term); that would give back about 10,000 hours if/when it happens. Somebody with more time than me is welcome to tally up and see what the difference really is - but it's clear the #9 resources were originally intended to go into expanding the ER and changing it into the 11, and that's not happening now. Let's say 5-7 fewer buses given the 2 the 21/22 would have been responsible for losing.



So what we have now is 5-7 fewer buses and about 3,000 to 13,000 fewer hours of service. The answer to the question is: NO, service overall is NOT going up as a result of this change. The resources from the #9 are NOT being invested in service elsewhere in the system.



Question 3: Why are these cuts being made?



This one is never going to be nailed down for sure - but here's a hint as to why they might have done the "save money" part of the implementation plan and apparently deferred the "spend that saved money" part of the plan. (Click for larger image).







The most logical explanation for the failure to produce the promised #11 substitute for Clarksville is the fact that it's a change that costs money - and right now all the available money in the system is being sucked up providing huge subsidies (far more than the huge subsidies originally budgeted) for rail riders, many of whom are from areas that don't even pay Capital Metro taxes).



This is with the current Red Line operations. Capital Metro is now proposing more runs (different times and more days of the week). Where do you think that money is going to come from? Those trains are going to be less full than what we have today, so the subsidy per passenger is going to be going up, not down; more, not less, operations dollars will be required for rail.



If you think the decision to spend more operating costs on rail doesn't have anything to do with the fact that this service change has kept most of the money-saving ideas but thrown out many of the money-costing ideas, you're far more generous than am I.



Question 4: What happens now?



Do you really think people (admittedly few) who ride the #9 now are just going to stop travelling? Are they going to use the ER shuttle and just transfer to go the core of downtown? (the ER stays even further away from 6th/Congress than the proposed 11 will). Will they give up all travel entirely when UT's not in session?



Of course not. Some of those people are going to resume driving. Some are going to find other ways around - like the long walk up/down the big hill on West Lynn to take the #21/#22 combo (slated for elimination a few years further down the road, by the way). Meaning that it's not really acceptable to keep talking about the 11 as future relief for the 9 cancellation - the people relying on the 9 are screwed just as much this upcoming N months or years as they would be if the 11 wasn't ever going to come along.



Question 5: Does this say anything interesting about Capital Metro?



In this process, Capital Metro's PR guy basically told another tweeter that I shouldn't be trusted, but failed to engage the argument in public - instead asking the other tweeter to come talk to him in private. In another forum (OWANA yahoo group), a (much nicer) employee basically did the same thing - inviting me to come to meetings to plan the future conversion of ER to 11 rather than addressing the point that, in the meantime, the neighborhood was, in fact, losing city bus service.



While it may be lame for private businesses to refuse to address the arguments of their critics in public, it is their right to do so. Is it OK for a public entity funded by our tax dollars to do the same?



This is symptomatic of the general problem with Capital Metro - every single time any of their critics makes any kind of argument, but especially when somebody makes ones that are actually good arguments, they insist on receiving input only privately (in person) or in large public settings (where every person, including people who just show up for the meeting without having any idea what they're doing, is on an equal footing). They don't want to engage the idea; they want to figure out how to make the person expressing the idea less of a threat so the idea itself can be safely downplayed or ignored.



Refer, please, to the repeated suggestions that because I don't show up for the large public gatherings where lines are drawn on maps (and ignored); where suggestions are made, good and bad (and ignored); that somehow my input shouldn't be listened to, even though, say it with me: I was right on the Red Line and they were wrong.



I think the public would benefit from an open exchange of ideas with the critics who actually want public transportation in this area - not asking for Skaggs and Daugherty to be engaged here, mind you - but Capital Metro doesn't agree.



Cutting short now; meeting time.



Any more questions?



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Old Posted Aug 20, 2010, 7:11 PM
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The problem with the current light rail system is the clientele. This goes back to another post I made regarding frontage roads. People here won't give up the convenience of driving if they don't have to.

If the track was more convenient for people without cars maybe going over towards east Riverside and the east side of town, I think you might see more riders. just my opinion. I know if Iwas still a student living on East Riverside I would be excited about the possibility of taking the train to school or work.
People in Houston and Dallas gave up driving for a system almost exactly like what we would have built had the 2000 election passed (or Capital Metro and/or Austin leaders had any stones in 2004). The current city urban rail proposal does some of what Houston has done, and on the East Riverside route; but is likely going to die in the flames caused by the Red Line.
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2010, 4:15 PM
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The current city urban rail proposal does some of what Houston has done, and on the East Riverside route; but is likely going to die in the flames caused by the Red Line.
Which is a scary thought. In my opinion urban rail would be popular (I know I'll use it), but it will take a strong, smart campaign that would address skepticism of the red line. Many would have to be educated on the difference between our commuter rail and light rail. I want to see rail succeed given a smart plan. Voting urban rail down would be shooting ourselves in the foot in the long run.

I noticed the July redline boardings number hasn't been released unless I am looking in the wrong places. I could only assume this means they aren't any better, otherwise Metro would announce them with pride even if it was a hundred more.
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2010, 3:47 PM
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July boardings were 'posted' on twitter; they decided last month to only update their news postings every other month for rail (even though the bus figures continue to come out every month).

817 boardings.

And today, they finally come clean with plans to cut express buses to goose ridership on this POS.
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Anyone know how 817 boardings compares to the Zilker Zephyr?

Given that the Zephyr departs every hour from 10AM to 5PM on weekends, PLUS runs Saturday and Sunday, it's already got the Red Line beat in terms of frequency:

http://www.frommers.com/destinations/austin/A7745.html

That's at least 51 trips per week. Given 4.4 weeks per month, that means only 4 riders need be on the Zephyr per run to beat the Red Line in terms of ridership.
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I was at Esther's Follies recently and they did a skit on the Red Line. Don't remember the exact words, but they were making fun of the fact that no one rides it and it doesn't go anywhere you want to go. And it ended with the train running over Lance Armstrong on his bike. It was good!
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2010, 6:36 PM
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Anyone know how 817 boardings compares to the Zilker Zephyr?

Given that the Zephyr departs every hour from 10AM to 5PM on weekends, PLUS runs Saturday and Sunday, it's already got the Red Line beat in terms of frequency:

http://www.frommers.com/destinations/austin/A7745.html

That's at least 51 trips per week. Given 4.4 weeks per month, that means only 4 riders need be on the Zephyr per run to beat the Red Line in terms of ridership.
ha ha, and its cheaper too!
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2010, 2:12 PM
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I was at Esther's Follies recently and they did a skit on the Red Line. Don't remember the exact words, but they were making fun of the fact that no one rides it and it doesn't go anywhere you want to go. And it ended with the train running over Lance Armstrong on his bike. It was good!
You know if everyone knows this and thinks the RL is a joke why in the world did voters vote for it?
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